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Re: psycing myself up to get a pi

Tim M
 

Just to throw another op in the mix.

Ubuntu also has a version with mate to run on the pi4 8gb.

As long as the op is made to run on the arm processor.

On 11/8/2020 10:12 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
I found out about a distribution for the Raspberry Pi called Stormux. It already has Orca and the Mate desktop set up.
Http://stormux.org

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From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Tim M <mrgarff@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 11:42:48 AM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [chat] psycing myself up to get a pi

As long as the op is for a arm prosecessor..

The raspberry.org will have more on different ops for the pi.

On 11/6/2020 6:42 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi, oh wow, this sounds overly complex for a beginner.

Its good I no longer need an external soundcard, but its obvious that
I don't want to run debian buster on the pi and instead should try
ubuntu mate or mint or something imaged rightly.

Just about every blind linux user I know of is saying mate version of
ubuntu anyway.

I like mint for what it is but a sighted ham opperator says its
clunkey, however I found it slightly more accessible but mint is also
ubuntu mate so mabe standard mate will do.

If I go down that road that is.

Still not completely decided, my other options are a miniture windows
pc and or a windows tablet though not tht many.

Saying that, a chromebook could be nice I guess, no one says I need to
use chrome on it, I guess I could put mate on that thing.



On 7/11/2020 12:20 pm, Tim M wrote:
Some of the stuff on that page is out of date, but the members or the
email list are going strong.

This might help you a bit,

https://techesoterica.com/getting-the-orca-screen-reader-working-on-a-raspberry-pi-4-with-raspbian-buster-and-the-mate-desktop/



On 11/5/2020 12:28 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi blaster.
Hmmm I have been to that site.
Sadly there is a lot of outdated information unless I was going to get
a 0, first gen a b or b+.
There is no talk about 4th gen and it was the first site I went to.
I know I will probably get the 4b 8gb model, a case, but after that I
have no idea what to get, a power brick I guess.
A few sd cards for things, and maybe the software to write things to.
There are things like orca needing a dongle and everything coming out
of the headphone jack.
I doubt that thats the case right now but if it is.
Then I'd need 2 soundsources to access the pi just for speech.
Thats not enough but its almost enough to try one of those asus atom
sticks instead or try to get a miniture pc or (shock horror) try to
reserect my old xp and win7 laptops for vm work.
I like the idea of the pi but if I need to run 2 sources for speech
its kind of a turn off.
Saying that raspberryvi.org is not as updated as I think it should be,
its missing a lot of newer information.


On 06/11/2020, Tim M <mrgarff@gmail.com> wrote:
Like I stated the pi4 8gb is best bet. You can find kits and just
about
anything you need for one on amazon.

Some of these kits come with as little or as much as you need. They
have
laptop desktop, tablets and the new kid pi built into the keyboard
pi400.

Now for some good descriptions and usage try youtube.


On 11/5/2020 2:27 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm.

Ok, how easy is it to outfit the 8gb 4b.

What should I as a beginner have.

Obviously a power supply, a few sd cards, ssd drive maybe.

But I havn't really fiddled with this and am not sure what I would
need.

I want something I can run linux and windows eot on, but not really
wanting to build my own robot, I guess lan would be nice but as long
as I have support from my wireless ac connection I could let it go.

I have a gaming hub and keyboard and have a couple full sized boards
about, I could use with it.

As for os, is the raspberry pi os good enough or should I get arch or
mint or ubuntu mate or something.

I have never outfit this stuff and I am a little scared breaking
things.

Do I need a static strap or something when putting these things
together?

can I label my sd cards or put dots on so I know what is what?

Obviously I need to write images of things so I would probably do
all
that on my windows workstation.

Should I ssh to the unit or can I run stand alone from the unit
itself.

I have speakers I can plugin and some headsets.



On 5/11/2020 7:48 pm, Tim M wrote:
Sorry to burst your bubble, but you can not upgrade these pi units.

The pi400 is the new kid on the block.

So far the best one to get speech going good on is pi4 8gb ram and
how ever you want to outfit it.


On 11/5/2020 1:17 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

Due to something I needed removed this week from my knee, I have 3
weeks to go do jack.

I have been trying to psyc myself up to get a raspberry pi.

After looking at everything I thought since I am a beginner, rather
than getting all the extras, I could get an 8gb 4b board then
extras
I thought of getting the 400 computer module which has everything
including overclocked cpu, a sync and all the extras to start me
off.

Obviously I would need to buy extras like ssd storage and maybe an
extra ram stick should I want 8gb or higher ram but as a startup
kit
it could be worth getting the 1.8ghz quad cpu.

My plan was to doodle with linux, maybe windows eot and who knows
other things.

A friend was interested in doing riscos and while I am not sure if
that would work I am interested to at least fiddle round with that.

After my vmware nightmare I have been thinking about getting a
dedicated device especially for on the go.

With me not moving about so much I suspect my next computer will be
a desktop or miniture desktop of some description, obviously I will
keep this laptop till it bites the dust but after that assuming I
travel I have always wandered about getting something for on the
go.

That thing wouldn't necessarily need to play games, maybe some
music, email and the web probably and thats it.

If I was away, in addition to wifi and network coverage on lan
ports
I think I'd like the option for the mobile networks though
internationally data costs a bogload but the 400 does cover the
basic without extra cards.

Of course trying to get me to take the plunge is the hard part.

I can certainly afford the 200 bucks for the kit though there is no
problem with that I have not traveled much this year and certainly
have enough.

Should I go for a pi, a stick, or should I bite the bullet and try
to go score something else.

While I know enough about windows to get into trouble and enough on
linux to get things to run, I have never really payed much interest
in the pi and its many components.

Rarely do I get a rush like this.

I'd also eventually like to learn python so I could help with nvda
and maybe write games?

Of course my big issue is that if I leave the rush to long or
something happens like a crash or something to derail this I will
suddenly decide it was a bad idea and just stop.

That is what happened when I got to learn a touch screen, I was
close to running with it last year before the windows search issue.

But suddenly it happened and the rush and the want died.

The other thing that can happen is that I become impulsive, get it
all then suddenly get confused with all the material, maybe because
I tried to rtfm everything at once and again it goes boomb.

Is the raspberri pi micro keyboard good or is it a problem in the
fact its got to big of a learning curve or something.

I certainly have the hub and extra keyboard I can do everything on
there's no issue with that.
























Facebook Calls and Voice Message

David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...>
 

Hello Chat NVDA Group,

Does anyone here know how to either place calls, or receive calls,
using a desktop computer and Facebook?
Or, how to send a voice message to someone on FB using a desktop
computer, FireFox browser?

I see conflicting info when surfing the Google results. I suppose the
results are dated, hence the conflicting info. Thanks in advance.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com


Re: Restoring Classic ALT+TAB behavior in Windows 10, Version 20H2

Hope Williamson
 

I don't see what the problem was. Those instructions were easy to apply. Once I found the relevant sections, which didn't take very long at all. No, I wasn't using point and click either.

On 11/10/2020 11:17 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 02:06 PM, Hope Williamson wrote:
Or you could not have this problem, if you don't use Edge.
-
A presumption I am not willing to make, since a very great many IE users have been transitioning to Edge in droves.

Also, I expect people to read reference material to determine if it does apply to them.  That's not my job.  You clearly did, for which I thank you, and your addition to this topic is valuable in that if someone knows they don't use Edge it won't apply at the moment.  But, and this is an important but, I'd still turn it off anyway.  Who knows if Edge use might start, or it might later apply to something else.  An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.  And that prevention is just so simple.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide


Re: Using NVDA to send voice messages on FB?

JM Casey
 

Not sure about the standard facebook site, but this definitely isn't polssible from the mobile website. You can download the facebook messenger app from the Windows store. This will allow you to make videoa nd voice calls and also to send "audio clips"
.

-----Original Message-----
From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Russell
Sent: November 10, 2020 11:26 AM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [chat] Using NVDA to send voice messages on FB?

Hi Group members,

I am finding conflicting info as to if one can send voice messages on Facebook.
\I am using NVDA and currently going to the basic mobility site for Facebook.
One set of directions says do this from chats within the message setting itself. However, I get zilch options when pressing enter on chats.
The help centre has a post indicating voice messaging isn't possible from a PC desktop.
How about calling or receiving calls via Facebook?
Thanks for any help that may come forth.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com


Re: Restoring Classic ALT+TAB behavior in Windows 10, Version 20H2

 

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 02:06 PM, Hope Williamson wrote:
Or you could not have this problem, if you don't use Edge.
-
A presumption I am not willing to make, since a very great many IE users have been transitioning to Edge in droves.

Also, I expect people to read reference material to determine if it does apply to them.  That's not my job.  You clearly did, for which I thank you, and your addition to this topic is valuable in that if someone knows they don't use Edge it won't apply at the moment.  But, and this is an important but, I'd still turn it off anyway.  Who knows if Edge use might start, or it might later apply to something else.  An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.  And that prevention is just so simple.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide


Re: Restoring Classic ALT+TAB behavior in Windows 10, Version 20H2

Hope Williamson
 

Or you could not have this problem, if you don't use Edge. I use Firefox as my Default browser, and never have this issue.

On 11/10/2020 8:28 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
This is bound to become the next big "everyone's asking" question, and for good reason.  So here's the answer so that everyone has it.  If you do not have Windows 10 20H2 yet, and most don't, then please file this message for when you do get it, as everyone is going to eventually.

See article:  [Tip] Disable and Remove Microsoft Edge Tabs Showing in ALT+Tab Screen in Windows 10

If you want to cut straight to the chase, search the page for "Open Settings" which are the first two words of Step 1 in the step-by-step instructions.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide


Re: Using NVDA to send voice messages on FB?

Tim M
 

For calls on facebook you have to use facebook message and that is another app.

On 11/10/2020 11:25 AM, David Russell wrote:
Hi Group members,

I am finding conflicting info as to if one can send voice messages on Facebook.
\I am using NVDA and currently going to the basic mobility site for Facebook.
One set of directions says do this from chats within the message
setting itself. However, I get zilch options when pressing enter on
chats.
The help centre has a post indicating voice messaging isn't possible
from a PC desktop.
How about calling or receiving calls via Facebook?
Thanks for any help that may come forth.


Re: Using NVDA to send voice messages on FB?

Brian Tew <briantew1951@...>
 

I use an ipad for facebook stuff, so don't know how relevant this is,
but facebook messenger is a totally separate app from facebook.
people can send audio messges or do audio chat or video chat in messenger.
There is a chat in facebook also, but I never used that.
I think you may need to install the messenger app.


Restoring Classic ALT+TAB behavior in Windows 10, Version 20H2

 

This is bound to become the next big "everyone's asking" question, and for good reason.  So here's the answer so that everyone has it.  If you do not have Windows 10 20H2 yet, and most don't, then please file this message for when you do get it, as everyone is going to eventually.

See article:  [Tip] Disable and Remove Microsoft Edge Tabs Showing in ALT+Tab Screen in Windows 10

If you want to cut straight to the chase, search the page for "Open Settings" which are the first two words of Step 1 in the step-by-step instructions.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide


Using NVDA to send voice messages on FB?

David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...>
 

Hi Group members,

I am finding conflicting info as to if one can send voice messages on Facebook.
\I am using NVDA and currently going to the basic mobility site for Facebook.
One set of directions says do this from chats within the message
setting itself. However, I get zilch options when pressing enter on
chats.
The help centre has a post indicating voice messaging isn't possible
from a PC desktop.
How about calling or receiving calls via Facebook?
Thanks for any help that may come forth.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com


Re: Webvism

Gene
 

I recall seeing one or more discussions on other lists awhile ago that it isn't in existence any longer.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: David Goldfield
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2020 11:12 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [chat] Webvism

Rumola is a captcha solver which I've used for years. It is not free but its fees for captcha solving credits are more than reasonable. As I haven't used it in the past year I'm not sure if it works but you can go to the above link to try it out. It stopped working on Firefox after that browser switched over to what it called Quantum starting with version 57, if memory serves. However, it supports Chrome and other Chromium-based browsers, such as Edge and Brave. Setting up an account was quite a pain in the neck but this addon is well worth it if you do need to regularly deal with captchas, assuming that it still works. Please do not write to me privately with support questions as I am not able to provide one on one support.
David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019 WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 11/9/2020 2:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Gene,

I'll be happy to add what you've mentioned in that topic while keeping it locked from further discussion. I'll copy and paste your opening paragraph, with attribution.

Per the group rules, which I'll bend when absolutely necessary, only software currently in support is to be discussed on the main group. Firefox 5X isn't, and there is no current version of Firefox (or even recent one) with which Webvisum works. I also thought I recalled the server(s) they employed having gone offline, but I could be entirely incorrect about that.

For all practical intents and purposes, Webvisum is dead.
--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041


Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.

~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Webvism

David Goldfield
 

Rumola is a captcha solver which I've used for years. It is not free but its fees for captcha solving credits are more than reasonable. As I haven't used it in the past year I'm not sure if it works but you can go to the above link to try it out. It stopped working on Firefox after that browser switched over to what it called Quantum starting with version 57, if memory serves. However, it supports Chrome and other Chromium-based browsers, such as Edge and Brave. Setting up an account was quite a pain in the neck but this addon is well worth it if you do need to regularly deal with captchas, assuming that it still works. Please do not write to me privately with support questions as I am not able to provide one on one support.
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 11/9/2020 2:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Gene,

          I'll be happy to add what you've mentioned in that topic while keeping it locked from further discussion.  I'll copy and paste your opening paragraph, with attribution.

          Per the group rules, which I'll bend when absolutely necessary, only software currently in support is to be discussed on the main group.  Firefox 5X isn't, and there is no current version of Firefox (or even recent one) with which Webvisum works.  I also thought I recalled the server(s) they employed having gone offline, but I could be entirely incorrect about that.

           For all practical intents and purposes, Webvisum is dead.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.

     ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore



Re: Webvism

Gene
 

I checked a little while ago and their web ;page is still up and I'm sure that if they became unavailable, it would have been widely discussed by those who still use it.

I'm pleased that you will make the information available on the main list.

I wonder how many captchas it can still solve. I don't know how many traditional letter and number captchas are still used as a percent of captchas.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2020 1:04 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [chat] Webvism

Gene,

I'll be happy to add what you've mentioned in that topic while keeping it locked from further discussion. I'll copy and paste your opening paragraph, with attribution.

Per the group rules, which I'll bend when absolutely necessary, only software currently in support is to be discussed on the main group. Firefox 5X isn't, and there is no current version of Firefox (or even recent one) with which Webvisum works. I also thought I recalled the server(s) they employed having gone offline, but I could be entirely incorrect about that.

For all practical intents and purposes, Webvisum is dead.
--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041


Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.

~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Webvism

 

Gene,

          I'll be happy to add what you've mentioned in that topic while keeping it locked from further discussion.  I'll copy and paste your opening paragraph, with attribution.

          Per the group rules, which I'll bend when absolutely necessary, only software currently in support is to be discussed on the main group.  Firefox 5X isn't, and there is no current version of Firefox (or even recent one) with which Webvisum works.  I also thought I recalled the server(s) they employed having gone offline, but I could be entirely incorrect about that.

           For all practical intents and purposes, Webvisum is dead.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.

     ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Webvism

Gene
 

Unless this has changed, and I haven't heard that it has, you can use
Webvism with an old version of Firefox, the last being 5X versions. You can
get a portable version of 5X and still use your current browser for general
browsing, only using the 5X version where necessary for captchas. Many
captchas are now solvable with audio challenges but some aren't.

I would think that if Webvism had stopped working, it would have been a
lively topic on blindness technology-related lists.

I think that, even though the topic is locked on the main list, this should be made known with no further discussion allowed on the list.

Gene


Re: psycing myself up to get a pi

 

Hmmm I need to look at that.

That could be good if I have a spaciffic pi distro.

Still haven't decided as such but after listening to the news due to covid whatever I get will be local.



On 9/11/2020 4:12 pm, Ryan Mann wrote:
I found out about a distribution for the Raspberry Pi called Stormux.  It already has Orca and the Mate desktop set up.


From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Tim M <mrgarff@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 11:42:48 AM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [chat] psycing myself up to get a pi
 
As long as the op is for a arm prosecessor..

The raspberry.org will have more on different ops for the pi.

On 11/6/2020 6:42 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
> Hi, oh wow, this sounds overly complex for a beginner.
>
> Its good I no longer need an external soundcard, but its obvious that
> I don't want to run debian buster on the pi and instead should try
> ubuntu mate or mint or something imaged rightly.
>
> Just about every blind linux user I know of is saying mate version of
> ubuntu anyway.
>
> I like mint for what it is but a sighted ham opperator says its
> clunkey, however I found it slightly more accessible but mint is also
> ubuntu mate so mabe standard mate will do.
>
> If I go down that road that is.
>
> Still not completely decided, my other options are a miniture windows
> pc and or a windows tablet though not tht many.
>
> Saying that, a chromebook could be nice I guess, no one says I need to
> use chrome on it, I guess I could put mate on that thing.
>
>
>
> On 7/11/2020 12:20 pm, Tim M wrote:
>> Some of the stuff on that page is out of date, but the members or the
>> email list are going strong.
>>
>> This might help you a bit,
>>
>> https://techesoterica.com/getting-the-orca-screen-reader-working-on-a-raspberry-pi-4-with-raspbian-buster-and-the-mate-desktop/
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/5/2020 12:28 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
>>> Hi blaster.
>>> Hmmm I have been to that site.
>>> Sadly there is a lot of outdated information unless I was going to get
>>> a 0, first gen a b or b+.
>>> There is no talk about 4th gen and it was the first site I went to.
>>> I know I will probably get the 4b 8gb model, a case, but after that I
>>> have no idea what to get, a power brick I guess.
>>> A few sd cards for things, and maybe the software to write things to.
>>> There are things like orca needing a dongle and everything coming out
>>> of the headphone jack.
>>> I doubt that thats the case right now but if it is.
>>> Then I'd  need 2 soundsources to access the pi just for speech.
>>> Thats not enough but its almost enough to try one of those asus atom
>>> sticks instead or try to get a miniture pc or (shock horror) try to
>>> reserect my old xp and win7 laptops for vm work.
>>> I like the idea of the pi but if I need to run 2 sources for speech
>>> its kind of a turn off.
>>> Saying that raspberryvi.org is not as updated as I think it should be,
>>> its missing a lot of newer information.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/11/2020, Tim M <mrgarff@...> wrote:
>>>> Like I stated the pi4 8gb is best bet. You can find kits and just
>>>> about
>>>> anything you need for one on amazon.
>>>>
>>>> Some of these kits come with as little or as much as you need. They
>>>> have
>>>> laptop desktop, tablets and the new kid pi built into the keyboard
>>>> pi400.
>>>>
>>>> Now for some good descriptions and usage try youtube.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/5/2020 2:27 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
>>>>> Hmmm.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok, how easy is it to outfit the 8gb 4b.
>>>>>
>>>>> What should I as a beginner have.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obviously a power supply, a few sd cards, ssd drive maybe.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I havn't really fiddled with this and am not sure what I would
>>>>> need.
>>>>>
>>>>> I want something I can run linux and windows eot on, but not really
>>>>> wanting to build my own robot, I guess lan would be nice but as long
>>>>> as I have support from my wireless ac connection I could let it go.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a gaming hub and keyboard and have a couple full sized boards
>>>>> about, I could use with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for os, is the raspberry pi os good enough or should I get arch or
>>>>> mint or ubuntu mate or something.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have never outfit this stuff and I am a little scared breaking
>>>>> things.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do I need a static strap or something when putting these things
>>>>> together?
>>>>>
>>>>> can I label my sd cards or put dots on so I know what is what?
>>>>>
>>>>> Obviously I need  to write images of things so I would probably do
>>>>> all
>>>>> that on my windows workstation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Should I ssh to the unit or can I run stand alone from the unit
>>>>> itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have speakers I can plugin and some headsets.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/11/2020 7:48 pm, Tim M wrote:
>>>>>> Sorry to burst your bubble, but you can not upgrade these pi units.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The pi400 is the new kid on the block.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So far the best one to get speech going good on is pi4 8gb ram and
>>>>>> how ever you want to outfit it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/5/2020 1:17 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Due to something I needed removed this week from my knee, I have 3
>>>>>>> weeks to go do jack.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have been trying to psyc myself up to get a raspberry pi.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After looking at everything I thought since I am a beginner, rather
>>>>>>> than getting all the extras, I could get an 8gb 4b board then
>>>>>>> extras
>>>>>>> I thought of getting the 400 computer module which has everything
>>>>>>> including overclocked cpu, a sync and all the extras to start me
>>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Obviously I would need to buy extras like ssd storage and maybe an
>>>>>>> extra ram stick should I want 8gb or higher ram but as a startup
>>>>>>> kit
>>>>>>> it could be worth getting the 1.8ghz quad cpu.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My plan was to doodle with linux, maybe windows eot and who knows
>>>>>>> other things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A friend was interested in doing riscos and while I am not sure if
>>>>>>> that would work I am interested to at least fiddle round with that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After my vmware nightmare I have been thinking about getting a
>>>>>>> dedicated device especially for on the go.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With me not moving about so much I suspect my next computer will be
>>>>>>> a desktop or miniture desktop of some description, obviously I will
>>>>>>> keep this laptop till it bites the dust but after that assuming I
>>>>>>> travel I have always wandered about getting something for on the
>>>>>>> go.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That thing wouldn't necessarily need to play games, maybe some
>>>>>>> music, email and the web probably and thats it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I was away, in addition to wifi and network coverage on lan
>>>>>>> ports
>>>>>>> I think I'd like the option for the mobile networks though
>>>>>>> internationally data costs a bogload but the 400 does cover the
>>>>>>> basic without extra cards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course trying to get me to take the plunge is the hard part.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can certainly afford the 200 bucks for the kit though there is no
>>>>>>> problem with that I have not traveled much this year and certainly
>>>>>>> have enough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Should I go for a pi, a stick, or should I bite the bullet and try
>>>>>>> to go score something else.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While I know enough about windows to get into trouble and enough on
>>>>>>> linux to get things to run, I have never really payed much interest
>>>>>>> in the pi and its many components.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rarely do I get a rush like this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd also eventually like to learn python so I could help with nvda
>>>>>>> and maybe write games?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course my big issue is that if I leave the rush to long or
>>>>>>> something happens like a crash or something to derail this I will
>>>>>>> suddenly decide it was a bad idea and just stop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is what happened when I got to learn a touch screen, I was
>>>>>>> close to running with it last year before the windows search issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But suddenly it happened and the rush and the want died.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The other thing that can happen is that I become impulsive, get it
>>>>>>> all then suddenly get confused with all the material, maybe because
>>>>>>> I tried to rtfm everything at once and again it goes boomb.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is the raspberri pi micro keyboard good or is it a problem in the
>>>>>>> fact its got to big of a learning curve or something.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I certainly have the hub and extra keyboard I can do everything on
>>>>>>> there's no issue with that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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Re: psycing myself up to get a pi

Ryan Mann
 

I found out about a distribution for the Raspberry Pi called Stormux.  It already has Orca and the Mate desktop set up.
Http://stormux.org


From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Tim M <mrgarff@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 11:42:48 AM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [chat] psycing myself up to get a pi
 
As long as the op is for a arm prosecessor..

The raspberry.org will have more on different ops for the pi.

On 11/6/2020 6:42 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
> Hi, oh wow, this sounds overly complex for a beginner.
>
> Its good I no longer need an external soundcard, but its obvious that
> I don't want to run debian buster on the pi and instead should try
> ubuntu mate or mint or something imaged rightly.
>
> Just about every blind linux user I know of is saying mate version of
> ubuntu anyway.
>
> I like mint for what it is but a sighted ham opperator says its
> clunkey, however I found it slightly more accessible but mint is also
> ubuntu mate so mabe standard mate will do.
>
> If I go down that road that is.
>
> Still not completely decided, my other options are a miniture windows
> pc and or a windows tablet though not tht many.
>
> Saying that, a chromebook could be nice I guess, no one says I need to
> use chrome on it, I guess I could put mate on that thing.
>
>
>
> On 7/11/2020 12:20 pm, Tim M wrote:
>> Some of the stuff on that page is out of date, but the members or the
>> email list are going strong.
>>
>> This might help you a bit,
>>
>> https://techesoterica.com/getting-the-orca-screen-reader-working-on-a-raspberry-pi-4-with-raspbian-buster-and-the-mate-desktop/
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/5/2020 12:28 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
>>> Hi blaster.
>>> Hmmm I have been to that site.
>>> Sadly there is a lot of outdated information unless I was going to get
>>> a 0, first gen a b or b+.
>>> There is no talk about 4th gen and it was the first site I went to.
>>> I know I will probably get the 4b 8gb model, a case, but after that I
>>> have no idea what to get, a power brick I guess.
>>> A few sd cards for things, and maybe the software to write things to.
>>> There are things like orca needing a dongle and everything coming out
>>> of the headphone jack.
>>> I doubt that thats the case right now but if it is.
>>> Then I'd  need 2 soundsources to access the pi just for speech.
>>> Thats not enough but its almost enough to try one of those asus atom
>>> sticks instead or try to get a miniture pc or (shock horror) try to
>>> reserect my old xp and win7 laptops for vm work.
>>> I like the idea of the pi but if I need to run 2 sources for speech
>>> its kind of a turn off.
>>> Saying that raspberryvi.org is not as updated as I think it should be,
>>> its missing a lot of newer information.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/11/2020, Tim M <mrgarff@...> wrote:
>>>> Like I stated the pi4 8gb is best bet. You can find kits and just
>>>> about
>>>> anything you need for one on amazon.
>>>>
>>>> Some of these kits come with as little or as much as you need. They
>>>> have
>>>> laptop desktop, tablets and the new kid pi built into the keyboard
>>>> pi400.
>>>>
>>>> Now for some good descriptions and usage try youtube.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/5/2020 2:27 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
>>>>> Hmmm.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok, how easy is it to outfit the 8gb 4b.
>>>>>
>>>>> What should I as a beginner have.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obviously a power supply, a few sd cards, ssd drive maybe.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I havn't really fiddled with this and am not sure what I would
>>>>> need.
>>>>>
>>>>> I want something I can run linux and windows eot on, but not really
>>>>> wanting to build my own robot, I guess lan would be nice but as long
>>>>> as I have support from my wireless ac connection I could let it go.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a gaming hub and keyboard and have a couple full sized boards
>>>>> about, I could use with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for os, is the raspberry pi os good enough or should I get arch or
>>>>> mint or ubuntu mate or something.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have never outfit this stuff and I am a little scared breaking
>>>>> things.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do I need a static strap or something when putting these things
>>>>> together?
>>>>>
>>>>> can I label my sd cards or put dots on so I know what is what?
>>>>>
>>>>> Obviously I need  to write images of things so I would probably do
>>>>> all
>>>>> that on my windows workstation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Should I ssh to the unit or can I run stand alone from the unit
>>>>> itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have speakers I can plugin and some headsets.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/11/2020 7:48 pm, Tim M wrote:
>>>>>> Sorry to burst your bubble, but you can not upgrade these pi units.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The pi400 is the new kid on the block.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So far the best one to get speech going good on is pi4 8gb ram and
>>>>>> how ever you want to outfit it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/5/2020 1:17 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Due to something I needed removed this week from my knee, I have 3
>>>>>>> weeks to go do jack.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have been trying to psyc myself up to get a raspberry pi.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After looking at everything I thought since I am a beginner, rather
>>>>>>> than getting all the extras, I could get an 8gb 4b board then
>>>>>>> extras
>>>>>>> I thought of getting the 400 computer module which has everything
>>>>>>> including overclocked cpu, a sync and all the extras to start me
>>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Obviously I would need to buy extras like ssd storage and maybe an
>>>>>>> extra ram stick should I want 8gb or higher ram but as a startup
>>>>>>> kit
>>>>>>> it could be worth getting the 1.8ghz quad cpu.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My plan was to doodle with linux, maybe windows eot and who knows
>>>>>>> other things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A friend was interested in doing riscos and while I am not sure if
>>>>>>> that would work I am interested to at least fiddle round with that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After my vmware nightmare I have been thinking about getting a
>>>>>>> dedicated device especially for on the go.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With me not moving about so much I suspect my next computer will be
>>>>>>> a desktop or miniture desktop of some description, obviously I will
>>>>>>> keep this laptop till it bites the dust but after that assuming I
>>>>>>> travel I have always wandered about getting something for on the
>>>>>>> go.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That thing wouldn't necessarily need to play games, maybe some
>>>>>>> music, email and the web probably and thats it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I was away, in addition to wifi and network coverage on lan
>>>>>>> ports
>>>>>>> I think I'd like the option for the mobile networks though
>>>>>>> internationally data costs a bogload but the 400 does cover the
>>>>>>> basic without extra cards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course trying to get me to take the plunge is the hard part.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can certainly afford the 200 bucks for the kit though there is no
>>>>>>> problem with that I have not traveled much this year and certainly
>>>>>>> have enough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Should I go for a pi, a stick, or should I bite the bullet and try
>>>>>>> to go score something else.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While I know enough about windows to get into trouble and enough on
>>>>>>> linux to get things to run, I have never really payed much interest
>>>>>>> in the pi and its many components.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rarely do I get a rush like this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd also eventually like to learn python so I could help with nvda
>>>>>>> and maybe write games?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course my big issue is that if I leave the rush to long or
>>>>>>> something happens like a crash or something to derail this I will
>>>>>>> suddenly decide it was a bad idea and just stop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is what happened when I got to learn a touch screen, I was
>>>>>>> close to running with it last year before the windows search issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But suddenly it happened and the rush and the want died.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The other thing that can happen is that I become impulsive, get it
>>>>>>> all then suddenly get confused with all the material, maybe because
>>>>>>> I tried to rtfm everything at once and again it goes boomb.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is the raspberri pi micro keyboard good or is it a problem in the
>>>>>>> fact its got to big of a learning curve or something.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I certainly have the hub and extra keyboard I can do everything on
>>>>>>> there's no issue with that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: psycing myself up to get a pi

Tim M
 

As long as the op is for a arm prosecessor..

The raspberry.org will have more on different ops for the pi.

On 11/6/2020 6:42 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi, oh wow, this sounds overly complex for a beginner.

Its good I no longer need an external soundcard, but its obvious that I don't want to run debian buster on the pi and instead should try ubuntu mate or mint or something imaged rightly.

Just about every blind linux user I know of is saying mate version of ubuntu anyway.

I like mint for what it is but a sighted ham opperator says its clunkey, however I found it slightly more accessible but mint is also ubuntu mate so mabe standard mate will do.

If I go down that road that is.

Still not completely decided, my other options are a miniture windows pc and or a windows tablet though not tht many.

Saying that, a chromebook could be nice I guess, no one says I need to use chrome on it, I guess I could put mate on that thing.



On 7/11/2020 12:20 pm, Tim M wrote:
Some of the stuff on that page is out of date, but the members or the email list are going strong.

This might help you a bit,

https://techesoterica.com/getting-the-orca-screen-reader-working-on-a-raspberry-pi-4-with-raspbian-buster-and-the-mate-desktop/


On 11/5/2020 12:28 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi blaster.
Hmmm I have been to that site.
Sadly there is a lot of outdated information unless I was going to get
a 0, first gen a b or b+.
There is no talk about 4th gen and it was the first site I went to.
I know I will probably get the 4b 8gb model, a case, but after that I
have no idea what to get, a power brick I guess.
A few sd cards for things, and maybe the software to write things to.
There are things like orca needing a dongle and everything coming out
of the headphone jack.
I doubt that thats the case right now but if it is.
Then I'd  need 2 soundsources to access the pi just for speech.
Thats not enough but its almost enough to try one of those asus atom
sticks instead or try to get a miniture pc or (shock horror) try to
reserect my old xp and win7 laptops for vm work.
I like the idea of the pi but if I need to run 2 sources for speech
its kind of a turn off.
Saying that raspberryvi.org is not as updated as I think it should be,
its missing a lot of newer information.


On 06/11/2020, Tim M <mrgarff@gmail.com> wrote:
Like I stated the pi4 8gb is best bet. You can find kits and just about
anything you need for one on amazon.

Some of these kits come with as little or as much as you need. They have
laptop desktop, tablets and the new kid pi built into the keyboard pi400.

Now for some good descriptions and usage try youtube.


On 11/5/2020 2:27 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm.

Ok, how easy is it to outfit the 8gb 4b.

What should I as a beginner have.

Obviously a power supply, a few sd cards, ssd drive maybe.

But I havn't really fiddled with this and am not sure what I would need.

I want something I can run linux and windows eot on, but not really
wanting to build my own robot, I guess lan would be nice but as long
as I have support from my wireless ac connection I could let it go.

I have a gaming hub and keyboard and have a couple full sized boards
about, I could use with it.

As for os, is the raspberry pi os good enough or should I get arch or
mint or ubuntu mate or something.

I have never outfit this stuff and I am a little scared breaking things.

Do I need a static strap or something when putting these things together?

can I label my sd cards or put dots on so I know what is what?

Obviously I need  to write images of things so I would probably do all
that on my windows workstation.

Should I ssh to the unit or can I run stand alone from the unit itself.

I have speakers I can plugin and some headsets.



On 5/11/2020 7:48 pm, Tim M wrote:
Sorry to burst your bubble, but you can not upgrade these pi units.

The pi400 is the new kid on the block.

So far the best one to get speech going good on is pi4 8gb ram and
how ever you want to outfit it.


On 11/5/2020 1:17 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

Due to something I needed removed this week from my knee, I have 3
weeks to go do jack.

I have been trying to psyc myself up to get a raspberry pi.

After looking at everything I thought since I am a beginner, rather
than getting all the extras, I could get an 8gb 4b board then extras
I thought of getting the 400 computer module which has everything
including overclocked cpu, a sync and all the extras to start me off.

Obviously I would need to buy extras like ssd storage and maybe an
extra ram stick should I want 8gb or higher ram but as a startup kit
it could be worth getting the 1.8ghz quad cpu.

My plan was to doodle with linux, maybe windows eot and who knows
other things.

A friend was interested in doing riscos and while I am not sure if
that would work I am interested to at least fiddle round with that.

After my vmware nightmare I have been thinking about getting a
dedicated device especially for on the go.

With me not moving about so much I suspect my next computer will be
a desktop or miniture desktop of some description, obviously I will
keep this laptop till it bites the dust but after that assuming I
travel I have always wandered about getting something for on the go.

That thing wouldn't necessarily need to play games, maybe some
music, email and the web probably and thats it.

If I was away, in addition to wifi and network coverage on lan ports
I think I'd like the option for the mobile networks though
internationally data costs a bogload but the 400 does cover the
basic without extra cards.

Of course trying to get me to take the plunge is the hard part.

I can certainly afford the 200 bucks for the kit though there is no
problem with that I have not traveled much this year and certainly
have enough.

Should I go for a pi, a stick, or should I bite the bullet and try
to go score something else.

While I know enough about windows to get into trouble and enough on
linux to get things to run, I have never really payed much interest
in the pi and its many components.

Rarely do I get a rush like this.

I'd also eventually like to learn python so I could help with nvda
and maybe write games?

Of course my big issue is that if I leave the rush to long or
something happens like a crash or something to derail this I will
suddenly decide it was a bad idea and just stop.

That is what happened when I got to learn a touch screen, I was
close to running with it last year before the windows search issue.

But suddenly it happened and the rush and the want died.

The other thing that can happen is that I become impulsive, get it
all then suddenly get confused with all the material, maybe because
I tried to rtfm everything at once and again it goes boomb.

Is the raspberri pi micro keyboard good or is it a problem in the
fact its got to big of a learning curve or something.

I certainly have the hub and extra keyboard I can do everything on
there's no issue with that.






















Re: psycing myself up to get a pi

 

Hi, oh wow, this sounds overly complex for a beginner.

Its good I no longer need an external soundcard, but its obvious that I don't want to run debian buster on the pi and instead should try ubuntu mate or mint or something imaged rightly.

Just about every blind linux user I know of is saying mate version of ubuntu anyway.

I like mint for what it is but a sighted ham opperator says its clunkey, however I found it slightly more accessible but mint is also ubuntu mate so mabe standard mate will do.

If I go down that road that is.

Still not completely decided, my other options are a miniture windows pc and or a windows tablet though not tht many.

Saying that, a chromebook could be nice I guess, no one says I need to use chrome on it, I guess I could put mate on that thing.

On 7/11/2020 12:20 pm, Tim M wrote:
Some of the stuff on that page is out of date, but the members or the email list are going strong.

This might help you a bit,

https://techesoterica.com/getting-the-orca-screen-reader-working-on-a-raspberry-pi-4-with-raspbian-buster-and-the-mate-desktop/


On 11/5/2020 12:28 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi blaster.
Hmmm I have been to that site.
Sadly there is a lot of outdated information unless I was going to get
a 0, first gen a b or b+.
There is no talk about 4th gen and it was the first site I went to.
I know I will probably get the 4b 8gb model, a case, but after that I
have no idea what to get, a power brick I guess.
A few sd cards for things, and maybe the software to write things to.
There are things like orca needing a dongle and everything coming out
of the headphone jack.
I doubt that thats the case right now but if it is.
Then I'd  need 2 soundsources to access the pi just for speech.
Thats not enough but its almost enough to try one of those asus atom
sticks instead or try to get a miniture pc or (shock horror) try to
reserect my old xp and win7 laptops for vm work.
I like the idea of the pi but if I need to run 2 sources for speech
its kind of a turn off.
Saying that raspberryvi.org is not as updated as I think it should be,
its missing a lot of newer information.


On 06/11/2020, Tim M <mrgarff@gmail.com> wrote:
Like I stated the pi4 8gb is best bet. You can find kits and just about
anything you need for one on amazon.

Some of these kits come with as little or as much as you need. They have
laptop desktop, tablets and the new kid pi built into the keyboard pi400.

Now for some good descriptions and usage try youtube.


On 11/5/2020 2:27 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm.

Ok, how easy is it to outfit the 8gb 4b.

What should I as a beginner have.

Obviously a power supply, a few sd cards, ssd drive maybe.

But I havn't really fiddled with this and am not sure what I would need.

I want something I can run linux and windows eot on, but not really
wanting to build my own robot, I guess lan would be nice but as long
as I have support from my wireless ac connection I could let it go.

I have a gaming hub and keyboard and have a couple full sized boards
about, I could use with it.

As for os, is the raspberry pi os good enough or should I get arch or
mint or ubuntu mate or something.

I have never outfit this stuff and I am a little scared breaking things.

Do I need a static strap or something when putting these things together?

can I label my sd cards or put dots on so I know what is what?

Obviously I need  to write images of things so I would probably do all
that on my windows workstation.

Should I ssh to the unit or can I run stand alone from the unit itself.

I have speakers I can plugin and some headsets.



On 5/11/2020 7:48 pm, Tim M wrote:
Sorry to burst your bubble, but you can not upgrade these pi units.

The pi400 is the new kid on the block.

So far the best one to get speech going good on is pi4 8gb ram and
how ever you want to outfit it.


On 11/5/2020 1:17 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

Due to something I needed removed this week from my knee, I have 3
weeks to go do jack.

I have been trying to psyc myself up to get a raspberry pi.

After looking at everything I thought since I am a beginner, rather
than getting all the extras, I could get an 8gb 4b board then extras
I thought of getting the 400 computer module which has everything
including overclocked cpu, a sync and all the extras to start me off.

Obviously I would need to buy extras like ssd storage and maybe an
extra ram stick should I want 8gb or higher ram but as a startup kit
it could be worth getting the 1.8ghz quad cpu.

My plan was to doodle with linux, maybe windows eot and who knows
other things.

A friend was interested in doing riscos and while I am not sure if
that would work I am interested to at least fiddle round with that.

After my vmware nightmare I have been thinking about getting a
dedicated device especially for on the go.

With me not moving about so much I suspect my next computer will be
a desktop or miniture desktop of some description, obviously I will
keep this laptop till it bites the dust but after that assuming I
travel I have always wandered about getting something for on the go.

That thing wouldn't necessarily need to play games, maybe some
music, email and the web probably and thats it.

If I was away, in addition to wifi and network coverage on lan ports
I think I'd like the option for the mobile networks though
internationally data costs a bogload but the 400 does cover the
basic without extra cards.

Of course trying to get me to take the plunge is the hard part.

I can certainly afford the 200 bucks for the kit though there is no
problem with that I have not traveled much this year and certainly
have enough.

Should I go for a pi, a stick, or should I bite the bullet and try
to go score something else.

While I know enough about windows to get into trouble and enough on
linux to get things to run, I have never really payed much interest
in the pi and its many components.

Rarely do I get a rush like this.

I'd also eventually like to learn python so I could help with nvda
and maybe write games?

Of course my big issue is that if I leave the rush to long or
something happens like a crash or something to derail this I will
suddenly decide it was a bad idea and just stop.

That is what happened when I got to learn a touch screen, I was
close to running with it last year before the windows search issue.

But suddenly it happened and the rush and the want died.

The other thing that can happen is that I become impulsive, get it
all then suddenly get confused with all the material, maybe because
I tried to rtfm everything at once and again it goes boomb.

Is the raspberri pi micro keyboard good or is it a problem in the
fact its got to big of a learning curve or something.

I certainly have the hub and extra keyboard I can do everything on
there's no issue with that.



















Re: psycing myself up to get a pi

Tim M
 

Some of the stuff on that page is out of date, but the members or the email list are going strong.

This might help you a bit,

https://techesoterica.com/getting-the-orca-screen-reader-working-on-a-raspberry-pi-4-with-raspbian-buster-and-the-mate-desktop/

On 11/5/2020 12:28 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi blaster.
Hmmm I have been to that site.
Sadly there is a lot of outdated information unless I was going to get
a 0, first gen a b or b+.
There is no talk about 4th gen and it was the first site I went to.
I know I will probably get the 4b 8gb model, a case, but after that I
have no idea what to get, a power brick I guess.
A few sd cards for things, and maybe the software to write things to.
There are things like orca needing a dongle and everything coming out
of the headphone jack.
I doubt that thats the case right now but if it is.
Then I'd need 2 soundsources to access the pi just for speech.
Thats not enough but its almost enough to try one of those asus atom
sticks instead or try to get a miniture pc or (shock horror) try to
reserect my old xp and win7 laptops for vm work.
I like the idea of the pi but if I need to run 2 sources for speech
its kind of a turn off.
Saying that raspberryvi.org is not as updated as I think it should be,
its missing a lot of newer information.


On 06/11/2020, Tim M <mrgarff@gmail.com> wrote:
Like I stated the pi4 8gb is best bet. You can find kits and just about
anything you need for one on amazon.

Some of these kits come with as little or as much as you need. They have
laptop desktop, tablets and the new kid pi built into the keyboard pi400.

Now for some good descriptions and usage try youtube.


On 11/5/2020 2:27 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm.

Ok, how easy is it to outfit the 8gb 4b.

What should I as a beginner have.

Obviously a power supply, a few sd cards, ssd drive maybe.

But I havn't really fiddled with this and am not sure what I would need.

I want something I can run linux and windows eot on, but not really
wanting to build my own robot, I guess lan would be nice but as long
as I have support from my wireless ac connection I could let it go.

I have a gaming hub and keyboard and have a couple full sized boards
about, I could use with it.

As for os, is the raspberry pi os good enough or should I get arch or
mint or ubuntu mate or something.

I have never outfit this stuff and I am a little scared breaking things.

Do I need a static strap or something when putting these things together?

can I label my sd cards or put dots on so I know what is what?

Obviously I need  to write images of things so I would probably do all
that on my windows workstation.

Should I ssh to the unit or can I run stand alone from the unit itself.

I have speakers I can plugin and some headsets.



On 5/11/2020 7:48 pm, Tim M wrote:
Sorry to burst your bubble, but you can not upgrade these pi units.

The pi400 is the new kid on the block.

So far the best one to get speech going good on is pi4 8gb ram and
how ever you want to outfit it.


On 11/5/2020 1:17 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

Due to something I needed removed this week from my knee, I have 3
weeks to go do jack.

I have been trying to psyc myself up to get a raspberry pi.

After looking at everything I thought since I am a beginner, rather
than getting all the extras, I could get an 8gb 4b board then extras
I thought of getting the 400 computer module which has everything
including overclocked cpu, a sync and all the extras to start me off.

Obviously I would need to buy extras like ssd storage and maybe an
extra ram stick should I want 8gb or higher ram but as a startup kit
it could be worth getting the 1.8ghz quad cpu.

My plan was to doodle with linux, maybe windows eot and who knows
other things.

A friend was interested in doing riscos and while I am not sure if
that would work I am interested to at least fiddle round with that.

After my vmware nightmare I have been thinking about getting a
dedicated device especially for on the go.

With me not moving about so much I suspect my next computer will be
a desktop or miniture desktop of some description, obviously I will
keep this laptop till it bites the dust but after that assuming I
travel I have always wandered about getting something for on the go.

That thing wouldn't necessarily need to play games, maybe some
music, email and the web probably and thats it.

If I was away, in addition to wifi and network coverage on lan ports
I think I'd like the option for the mobile networks though
internationally data costs a bogload but the 400 does cover the
basic without extra cards.

Of course trying to get me to take the plunge is the hard part.

I can certainly afford the 200 bucks for the kit though there is no
problem with that I have not traveled much this year and certainly
have enough.

Should I go for a pi, a stick, or should I bite the bullet and try
to go score something else.

While I know enough about windows to get into trouble and enough on
linux to get things to run, I have never really payed much interest
in the pi and its many components.

Rarely do I get a rush like this.

I'd also eventually like to learn python so I could help with nvda
and maybe write games?

Of course my big issue is that if I leave the rush to long or
something happens like a crash or something to derail this I will
suddenly decide it was a bad idea and just stop.

That is what happened when I got to learn a touch screen, I was
close to running with it last year before the windows search issue.

But suddenly it happened and the rush and the want died.

The other thing that can happen is that I become impulsive, get it
all then suddenly get confused with all the material, maybe because
I tried to rtfm everything at once and again it goes boomb.

Is the raspberri pi micro keyboard good or is it a problem in the
fact its got to big of a learning curve or something.

I certainly have the hub and extra keyboard I can do everything on
there's no issue with that.















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