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farhan israk
 

I am using latest google chrome and nvda. I have received an online translation project. I need to translate amazon product details. But, I am not able to navigate properly. I need to edit table. I can read line by line but not able to read word by word. If I type anything, nvda does not announce. Read type character and word is on on nvda settings. Now, how can I translate properly?


Re: One way to shutdown

 

To be honest, in systems where I get a fast boot I always choose full boot.

Aparently full boot will do cmos checking on startup and I see no reason to run fast start.

On my workstation the usual is to start quickly however if you flush the ram, you can force a diagnostic boot wwhich will cause the system to take about 5-10 minutes to check itself before starting so I hardly ever do it unless power has failed.

The only time this happened was when the ups for the system had a faulty power cell.

system kept turning on with fault messages and wouldn't fix itself.

Eventually the cell got replaced though it wasn't supposed to need a replacement for at least half a year but it decided to go out early or at least its computer chip did and once the controler was bad the ups wouldn't run right with it.



On 4/02/2021 3:43 am, Brian Vogel wrote:

Gene, I'm in agreement with your overall point, but Fast Startup is also known as hybrid shutdown, and does rely on the hybrid features being enabled (as they're used for both Fast Startup (hybrid shutdown) and hybrid sleep.

The above being said, I always disable Fast Startup.  It's impact on start times, in particular on systems that have SSDs as their Windows system drive, is virtually zero, and it's not made any earthshattering difference on machines using HDDs, in my opinion.

But one thing it almost invariably causes, at one point or another, is some really bizarre behaviors when the hiberfile.sys file it writes out to save the Windows OS state becomes corrupted, and it virtually always will for those who never do a restart and shut down their machines repeatedly.  I have had two occasions (one under Windows 8) where I could not figure out what was going on by any typical means, and after hours of digging.  That's when Fast Startup was new and I did not know or understand that it wrote out the Windows system state at shutdown.  Either disabling Fast Startup (which is what I did) or doing an actual Restart forces this writing out of the current Windows OS state (and any previous corruption in it) from occurring, and Windows will reload afresh from disk.

I'm willing to accept the very slight additional time a reload of Windows afresh from disc requires at boot time rather than dealing with the weird stuff I've had to deal with on occasion.  I'm not even trying to say that weird stuff is frequent, but when it happens, it is really, really weird.   And I'd rather make that particular situation impossible.

And, to be clear, the above has to do with hybrid shutdown/Fast Startup, not hybrid sleep, which is a different kettle of fish.  But the "hybrid capability" is related to the support of both.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’

       ~ Isaac Asimov


Re: One way to shutdown

 

I had a system I had to service that I hadn't been allowed to service due to security concerns.

On servicing it just about everything was defaulted.

This included settings and drivers.

And while I didn't need to totally reinstall windows, drivers were out of data, bios and firmware to.

Settings were at defaults, and a lot of things were left.

If your system crashes at fast startup the only way to get it working is either shutting it down from login or pulling the battery.

I think from my ancient memmory that fast startup was a thing for hard drives.

Even with a hard drive removing unneded drivers from startup as well as startup items background apps, etc you should be able to run windows without  it or anything like that.

On 4/02/2021 3:03 am, Rob Hudson wrote:
Frees up some ram and swap space. Fast startup means you cant boot from alternative media either because the system never really shuts down.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Tew via groups.io" <briantew1951@...>
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 07:53:41 -0600
Subject: Re: [chat] One way to shutdown

Why did you turn off hybrid, rob?



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Re: One way to shutdown

 

Gene, I'm in agreement with your overall point, but Fast Startup is also known as hybrid shutdown, and does rely on the hybrid features being enabled (as they're used for both Fast Startup (hybrid shutdown) and hybrid sleep.

The above being said, I always disable Fast Startup.  It's impact on start times, in particular on systems that have SSDs as their Windows system drive, is virtually zero, and it's not made any earthshattering difference on machines using HDDs, in my opinion.

But one thing it almost invariably causes, at one point or another, is some really bizarre behaviors when the hiberfile.sys file it writes out to save the Windows OS state becomes corrupted, and it virtually always will for those who never do a restart and shut down their machines repeatedly.  I have had two occasions (one under Windows 8) where I could not figure out what was going on by any typical means, and after hours of digging.  That's when Fast Startup was new and I did not know or understand that it wrote out the Windows system state at shutdown.  Either disabling Fast Startup (which is what I did) or doing an actual Restart forces this writing out of the current Windows OS state (and any previous corruption in it) from occurring, and Windows will reload afresh from disk.

I'm willing to accept the very slight additional time a reload of Windows afresh from disc requires at boot time rather than dealing with the weird stuff I've had to deal with on occasion.  I'm not even trying to say that weird stuff is frequent, but when it happens, it is really, really weird.   And I'd rather make that particular situation impossible.

And, to be clear, the above has to do with hybrid shutdown/Fast Startup, not hybrid sleep, which is a different kettle of fish.  But the "hybrid capability" is related to the support of both.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’

       ~ Isaac Asimov


Re: One way to shutdown

Gene
 

You are talking about fast start up. I had thought this was called fast boot so my first message is incorrect as to the name. But what I said is correct. HHybrid has nothing to do with fast startup. As far as freeing up room in the swap file and RAM, what difference does it make? When the computer is running, what was stored on the hard drive and in RAM in hybrid is no longer stored there. It is stored there when the computer is in hybrid to allow fast resumption and to allow you not to lose information if a power failure occurs. Hybrid stores files you are working on on the hard drive while keeping the operating system and programs running in memory. It is a combination of sleep and hibernate. There is no meaningful advantage in disabling hybrid unless you find the machine boots significantly faster from sleep if you do.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 8:03 AM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [chat] One way to shutdown

Frees up some ram and swap space. Fast startup means you cant boot from alternative media either because the system never really shuts down.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Tew via groups.io" <briantew1951@...>
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 07:53:41 -0600
Subject: Re: [chat] One way to shutdown

Why did you turn off hybrid, rob?


Re: One way to shutdown

Gene
 

Here is an explanation of Hybrid mode. It has nothing to do with fast boot. In the original message, fast start is mentioned. I don't know why it is phrased that way but to avoid confusion, it isn't fast boot. If you want to go into hybrid mode as fast as possible, that may be a way to do it but aside from that, I see no advantage.

Also, you are better off leaving hybrid enabled as you will see from reading more of the article. If you are using an uninterruptible power supply, maybe not, maybe you would resume operation a little faster but it would seem likely that the time saved by just using sleep isn't enough to matter much.

https://www.howtogeek.com/102897/whats-the-difference-between-sleep-and-hibernate-in-windows/?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwipp-_i8M3uAhVEVs0KHehbBuQQ9QF6BAgFEAI
Hybrid Sleep mode is a combination of the Sleep and Hibernate modes meant for desktop computers. It puts any open documents and applications in memory and on your hard disk, and then puts your computer into a low-power state, allowing you to quickly wake the computer and resume your work. The Hybrid Sleep mode is enabled by default in Windows on desktop computers and disabled on laptops. When enabled, it automatically puts your computer into Hybrid Sleep mode when you put it into Sleep mode.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 7:40 AM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [chat] One way to shutdown

I turned hybrid off in mine.
cmd, admin
powercfg.exe /h off

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Tew via groups.io" <briantew1951@...>
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 07:13:54 -0600
Subject: [chat] One way to shutdown

I made a .bat file called qrt consisting of one line, to wit:

Shutdown /s /hybrid

The /hybrid switch "prepares windows for fast start" according to the help.
So I can just type qrt in the search box and enter.
I like this because it all shows up in braille.







Re: One way to shutdown

Rob Hudson <rob_hudson3182@...>
 

Frees up some ram and swap space. Fast startup means you cant boot from alternative media either because the system never really shuts down.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Tew via groups.io" <briantew1951@...>
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 07:53:41 -0600
Subject: Re: [chat] One way to shutdown

Why did you turn off hybrid, rob?


Re: One way to shutdown

Brian Tew <briantew1951@...>
 

Why did you turn off hybrid, rob?


On Feb 3, 2021, at 7:41 AM, Rob Hudson <rob_hudson3182@...> wrote:
I turned hybrid off in mine.
cmd, admin
powercfg.exe /h off

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Tew via groups.io" <briantew1951@...>
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 07:13:54 -0600
Subject: [chat] One way to shutdown

I made a .bat file called qrt consisting of one line, to wit:

Shutdown /s /hybrid

The /hybrid switch "prepares windows for fast start" according to the help.
So I can just type qrt in the search box and enter.
I like this because it all shows up in braille.







Re: One way to shutdown

Rob Hudson <rob_hudson3182@...>
 

I turned hybrid off in mine.
cmd, admin
powercfg.exe /h off

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Tew via groups.io" <briantew1951@...>
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 07:13:54 -0600
Subject: [chat] One way to shutdown

I made a .bat file called qrt consisting of one line, to wit:

Shutdown /s /hybrid

The /hybrid switch "prepares windows for fast start" according to the help.
So I can just type qrt in the search box and enter.
I like this because it all shows up in braille.







One way to shutdown

Brian Tew <briantew1951@...>
 

I made a .bat file called qrt consisting of one line, to wit:

Shutdown /s /hybrid

The /hybrid switch "prepares windows for fast start" according to the help.
So I can just type qrt in the search box and enter.
I like this because it all shows up in braille.


updates before updates

 

Hi.

I lkike the fact that we are getting the latest updates for access for the next version of windows before we get that.

Thats a nice thing about opensource I guess.


Free zoom based session on Braille and iOS Tuesday second of February 2:30 pm US Eastern time

Khalid Anwar
 

The braillist foundation, based in the UK, is a group of blind people with one goal which essentially boils down to more Braille.
At the moment, they are running a number of zoom sessions covering Braille and technology, and these are free for anyone to join.
They take place every Tuesday at 7:30 UK time, which is 2.30 US Eastern time over zoom and anyone who has an interest can join.
All the sessions are recorded and will be available to view on their website, the previous one was about Braille and windows and the upcoming is about Braille and iOS,
If you're interested in registering please do so here:
https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZwoceivqz8rGtbEERfYGlXFSR2eIqx-oc9o
I look forward to seeing anyone who is interested.


Online training.

farhan israk
 

Good news!
Amrita Seattle is presenting free training on GoldWave with screen reader in English. Mr. Pradip Chandra Sikdar, a well-known specialist in this area, will host a series of online workshop on GoldWave and its operation with screen reader.
Participants, after successful completion of the given assignments will receive participatory certificate from Amrita Seattle.
People willing to participate in this online workshop will have to register for the same. The registration is completely free and the registration window will be opened up to 3rd February, 2021. If you have any additional query, feel free to contact Mr. Pradip on +91-9883669711 directly or via What’s app or Telegram. Use the following link to register yourself for the training:
https://www.pradipsikdar.com/using-goldwave-with-screen-reader/
Some useful notes:
1. The workshop will be held on each Thursday starting from February 4th, 2021 from 7 PM Indian standard time. If in any case the time gets changed, participants will be notified.
2. The workshop will be hosted in Zoom conferencing platform. People should know how to use Zoom client either from your mobile device or from your PC.
3. Warning! You should know how to *mute and *unmute your audio from zoom! You should mute/unmute your audio from zoom when instructed. Failing to do so multiple times may cause you to be banned from the workshop. Your video should also be stopped in the time of the workshop as well.
4. The medium of the workshop is simple English. You may ask question in Hindi or Bengali if needed. But the same will be answered in English.
5. Speaking of crack or illegal activities will be prohibited.
Those who don't know, what is GoldWave? Let's see what their official website is saying:
For over 25 years we have strived to design and refine audio editing software that is intuitive, reliable, and affordable. We created GoldWave to do everything from voice and stream recording and editing to sophisticated audio processing, restoration, enhancements, analysis, and conversions. GoldWave's convenient, all-in-one design even features full keyboard accessibility, foot pedal support for playback, cool visuals, and much more. Get started today by downloading the fully functional evaluation version and turn your PC or mobile device into a recording studio at your finger tips!
See you there!https://www.pradipsikdar.com/using-goldwave-with-screen-reader/


Re: Please help, the bass sounds from my screen reader cut out when I'm on phone call

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Afternoon:  In the call center are you only using your cell phone to take the calls?  There isn't any special software that these calls come in from?  A lot of call centers have a routing system to route a call to a representative with an open line to take the incoming call.  If so, what is being used?  This is something to look at.  Then the next question is what is being used for wifi.  It could be something in the companies wifi.  I would talk to a tech in the internet department.

Dave


On 1/20/2021 1:02 PM, Khalid Anwar wrote:

 So I work in a CallCenter, and i have to take calls on my PC and use NVDA at the same time.
 It used to work pretty well, but now something strange has happened, when I take a call on the PC, it's like the bass sounds from NVDA are cut out or flattened but when I put the phone down, it goes back to normal.
I'm not sure if I'm explaining this right at all, the  The volume stays the same but the voice doesn't have the same character.
The only equivalent I can think of is what voice-over does when on zoom call or other phone calls, it doesn't have the same residence. 


Re: Performance of AMD CPUs and NVDA

 

What I like about the amd processers is you get radian graphics chips.

Maybe nothing high performance but I know amd graphics is gamer grade.

Intel has ok graphics but most intel gaming is for nvidia which some have said doesn't work with jaws that well, their software is not as accessible either.

I havn't needed to use amd software for ages by itself but when I have its a semi accessible web interface.

I don't need to use it though.



On 25/01/2021 6:29 am, Brian Vogel wrote:

The AMD Ryzen series processors are way, way more than adequate for running NVDA or any other screen reader for that matter.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’

       ~ Isaac Asimov


Re: Performance of AMD CPUs and NVDA

 

The AMD Ryzen series processors are way, way more than adequate for running NVDA or any other screen reader for that matter.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’

       ~ Isaac Asimov


Re: Performance of AMD CPUs and NVDA

 

I agree with that.

My r5 has 8 logical cores according to windows, this is on the second generation units.

Intel does cost more.

Saying that the reason I went from intel to amd, was because of the intel security issue and microsoft's fix slowing down all processers to half power making them useless.

In fact intel 8th gen is wrecked because of this so I am told.

9th and up should be ok though.

Intel releases drivers for its graphics several times a year, 1 or 2 monthly.

Amd releases drives up to 3 times a month, and being I am a fiddler myself I am installing all the updates usually.

I also run a few things from source and yeah its good.

Except when things crash, the fan doesn't usually rise up to much.

And give it a long opperation like a drive backup and it will just do it.

Some of the games I play and things I run like file conversion will max out the fan, but the system stays responsive unless its processing something really huge.

However when looking about for newer systems, I find more intel than amd chipsets.

Maybe I am not looking in the right place though.

The thing I like about amd is that all of its software is contained in 1 massive file.

Intel has the graphics card being the main thing which has its audio in it.

Its bluetooth and network stuff are separate as well as raid software.

Amd seems to use a lot of standard windows drivers and only a few for its hdmi port, and audio and display devices as well as security devices.

It usually defaults to realtech units for everything else and standard microsoft drivers for the rest.

It uses less extra stuff if thats a word.

The only thing I don't care for is that overlay keys are alt r so I have to either change them or stop the amd drivers from starting up after install and such though when I looked in the latest itteration some of this no longer existed.

As well as that all updates to amd devices have clear release notes.

Intel does have this in its readme but amd has it right on the site.

On 25/01/2021 4:02 am, Mike Sedmak wrote:
AMD cpus have better performance for the price compared to Intel. Check out sites like Anandtech if you want to see the benchmarks.

Thanks,
Mike

Sent from my iPhone, please forgive the typos.

On Jan 24, 2021, at 1:05 AM, Sean <s.tolstoyevski@...> wrote:

Why AMD? because I can get more performance with less price. If I choose the same CPU from Intel, I have to pay $ 200 more. I am a system programmer. I often make compilations. CPU needs to be good. This CPU has 12 threads. In Intel i7 performance. In short, these are the reasons. And a question? Are your chipsets the motherboard on Intel or AMD?

Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> şunları yazdı (24 Oca 2021 10:47):

I have been running on amd 2500u ryzen 5 right now and no issue at all.

At one point maybe there was a problem not now.

At any rate, why are you building a system with amd 3000 series when there is 4000 series about.

Why are you doing amd anyway.

I like amd for what it is, but, intel has 9th, 10th and 11th generation units.

The only advantage is amd has a full driver release every month, twice a month.

However with intel dch its almost the same now.

all generations over 8th on intel fix all the issues it had and all that.





Re: Performance of AMD CPUs and NVDA

Mike Sedmak
 

AMD cpus have better performance for the price compared to Intel. Check out sites like Anandtech if you want to see the benchmarks.

Thanks,
Mike

Sent from my iPhone, please forgive the typos.

On Jan 24, 2021, at 1:05 AM, Sean <s.tolstoyevski@...> wrote:

Why AMD? because I can get more performance with less price. If I choose the same CPU from Intel, I have to pay $ 200 more. I am a system programmer. I often make compilations. CPU needs to be good. This CPU has 12 threads. In Intel i7 performance. In short, these are the reasons. And a question? Are your chipsets the motherboard on Intel or AMD?

Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> şunları yazdı (24 Oca 2021 10:47):

I have been running on amd 2500u ryzen 5 right now and no issue at all.

At one point maybe there was a problem not now.

At any rate, why are you building a system with amd 3000 series when there is 4000 series about.

Why are you doing amd anyway.

I like amd for what it is, but, intel has 9th, 10th and 11th generation units.

The only advantage is amd has a full driver release every month, twice a month.

However with intel dch its almost the same now.

all generations over 8th on intel fix all the issues it had and all that.





Re: Performance of AMD CPUs and NVDA

Sean
 

Why AMD? because I can get more performance with less price. If I choose the same CPU from Intel, I have to pay $ 200 more. I am a system programmer. I often make compilations. CPU needs to be good. This CPU has 12 threads. In Intel i7 performance. In short, these are the reasons. And a question? Are your chipsets the motherboard on Intel or AMD?

Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> şunları yazdı (24 Oca 2021 10:47):

I have been running on amd 2500u ryzen 5 right now and no issue at all.

At one point maybe there was a problem not now.

At any rate, why are you building a system with amd 3000 series when there is 4000 series about.

Why are you doing amd anyway.

I like amd for what it is, but, intel has 9th, 10th and 11th generation units.

The only advantage is amd has a full driver release every month, twice a month.

However with intel dch its almost the same now.

all generations over 8th on intel fix all the issues it had and all that.


Re: Performance of AMD CPUs and NVDA

Nimer Jaber
 

Because his choice is to use AMD and he clearly said that they are cheaper to buy 


On Sat, Jan 23, 2021, 23:47 Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
I have been running on amd 2500u ryzen 5 right now and no issue at all.

At one point maybe there was a problem not now.

At any rate, why are you building a system with  amd 3000 series when
there is 4000 series about.

Why are you doing amd anyway.

I like amd for what it is, but, intel has 9th, 10th and 11th generation
units.

The only advantage is amd has a full driver release every month, twice a
month.

However with intel dch its almost the same now.

all generations over 8th on intel fix all the issues it had and all that.



On 24/01/2021 7:01 pm, Sean wrote:
> Hi all,,
>
> I will buy a new computer. (I will build it myself).
> I will use AMD Rizen 5 3600x CPU.
>
> Years ago, NVDA's performance on AMD processors was very bad. So
> 2010-11-12
> A month ago my friend bought a Huawei matebook. There is a Rizen 5
> mobile processor. 8 Core, 8 gb ram and SSD
> It said NVDA does not work on AMD as it runs on Intel CPU. He says slower
>
> Here, Intel processors are very expensive. AMD is cheap.
>
> My question is:
>  * Have you used NVDA with a new AMD CPU? So rizen 5 and 7 series.
>  * Is there a performance problem?
>  * Do you see a difference in the use of Intel and AMD?
>
> Actually I think this is due to chipsets. It is not possible for a
> good processor to block a not resource consuming program like NVDA.
>
> Could you please share your views?
> This is very important for me.
> I build the computer after 2 months.
>
>
>
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