Date   

And so the beginning of the end of backward compatibility with Windows 7 begins . . .

 

From the Tech-VI Announce List:  
Freedom Scientific Announces End of Installation on Windows 7, 8.x, and Windows Server prior to 2016

And it's coming before the end of this calendar year.

Those that have refused to update to Windows 10 should take very clear notice of this development, because it's not going to be limited to Freedom Scientific nor to assistive technology.  The dominoes were bound to begin falling, and you can and should upgrade, at no cost, as soon as possible.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

The poor wish to be rich, the rich wish to be happy, the single wish to be married, and the married wish to be dead.

       ~ Ann Landers


Re: LibreOffice mailing list and its accessibility

 

This is what I could find, on  the page: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Accessibility/Accessibility-dev#Mailing_List 

There is a mailing list ( accessibility@...) which can be used for user questions and comments, as well as for developer-related subjects.

  • Subscribe by sending a blank email to accessibility+subscribe@....
  • or visit the archives

I got a confirm message a few minutes after sending a message to the subscription address.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

The poor wish to be rich, the rich wish to be happy, the single wish to be married, and the married wish to be dead.

       ~ Ann Landers


LibreOffice mailing list and its accessibility

farhan israk
 

How can I send mail to the libreoffice  mailing list? I did not find any mail address to send mail to this mailing list. How can I send accessibility feedback to its developer?


Re: My Brief Experiences Using Vivaldi With JAWS

 

On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 06:04 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Thanks loads, this might be extremely helpful.
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Please report back on your impressions if/when you install Vivaldi again (presuming you've uninstalled it).  You're in a position to be able to give useful "before and after" information regarding how or whether these settings tweaks resolve the behaviors that are disliked.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

The poor wish to be rich, the rich wish to be happy, the single wish to be married, and the married wish to be dead.

       ~ Ann Landers


Re: My Brief Experiences Using Vivaldi With JAWS

JM Casey
 

Hey Brian. Thanks loads, this might be extremely helpful. I was kind of drawn to Vivaldi from the tiem I first read about it and definitely wanted to play around with some settings to see if it could be made a little nicer to use for “us”. It’s not terrible now but having the programme’s menu structure etc in the buffer with web data is certainly a bit disconcerting. I’ll poke around with some of this and see what happens.

 

 

 

From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: July 18, 2021 03:19 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [chat] My Brief Experiences Using Vivaldi With JAWS

 

Here are some settings tweaks I suggest to Vivaldi that will possibly make it more screen reader friendly.

Some are not specific to that, but are functions I like, pick and choose as you will.

 

In Settings

General Pane:

     If desired, set Homepage or set Startup with to suit

     You may wish to disable the confirmation dialogs for close of a Vivaldi window or exiting Vivaldi

     User Interface Language and Preferred Date & Time Format can be tweaked here, too

     The Automatically offer to translate pages checkbox is unchecked by default, I check it as it's a feature I like.

     The latest version of Vivaldi comes bundled with an e-mail client (not webmail, but it's own email client interface), Calendar, and Feeds functionality.  The checkbox to enable these, or disable them, as a group is the last item in the General pane.  You should have been given the option to enable/disable at install, but if you change your mind in either direction, this is where you do it.

 

Appearance Pane:

The Menu section is what you're most likely to want to tweak.  Vivaldi defaults to what it calls Vivaldi Button menu position, which is down the left side of the screen, and Vivaldi Icon presentation for menu icons.  You may wish to activate the radio buttons for Horizontal menu position and/or menu icon instead.  The horizontal presentation is what we've been used to for decades now, across the top with the usual menus/submenus.  The only difference that's visible as far as menu icon choice is whether the generic "hamburger stack" menu button is used versus one with the Vivaldi logo.

You can also go crazy customizing either the horizontal or Vivaldi Button menus, but I don't.

 

Themes Pane:

Probably not relevant unless you have residual vision.  There are dark themes versus light themes, etc.

 

Start Page Pane:

Probably nothing unless you use the start page.

 

Tabs Pane:

Probably nothing, but there are scads of tweaks one can make, and you'd need to review the checkboxes and other controls available to decide for yourself.  Many of them have to do with visual presentation.

 

Panel Pane:

This could be a big one.  There is a set of control tabs that show up down the left side of the window by default and that are constantly on display.  Depending on whether you ever use these or not, you may want to do either one of two things, or perhaps both.  There is Panel Position option with a radio button for Left Side and Right Side presentation of the Vivaldi Panel, moving it to the Right side get it out of the way of traversal.  In addition, there is a Panel Options section, and there are several settings there you may wish to tweak:

Show panel toggle checkbox - unchecked by default, which means the control tabs are always on display, no matter which side you choose.  If checked, you get an additional single control that allows you to show or hide the whole thing with one click.  This might be a game changer for many.

Overlay panel checkbox - checked by default, which makes the control tabs panel overlay the browser content.  It may help quite a bit to uncheck this, but I haven't played with it with a screen reader.

Show Folder Counters checkbox - checked by default, and likely irrelevant if you are trying to get rid of the panel entirely.  These annoy me, though, so I uncheck.

 

There are quite a few additional panes, that I won't get into here.  If someone wants me to dig in to a specific one then please ask.  The above may make Vivaldi, and traversal in it, a lot more screen-reader friendly.

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

The poor wish to be rich, the rich wish to be happy, the single wish to be married, and the married wish to be dead.

       ~ Ann Landers


Re: regarding the brave browser

 

Well its a chromeum thing so try it I think it will work.



On 17/07/2021 11:17 pm, udit pandey wrote:

hi all,
i want to know about the accessibility of brave browser with nvda


Re: My Brief Experiences Using Vivaldi With JAWS

 

Here are some settings tweaks I suggest to Vivaldi that will possibly make it more screen reader friendly.
Some are not specific to that, but are functions I like, pick and choose as you will.
 
In Settings
General Pane:
     If desired, set Homepage or set Startup with to suit
     You may wish to disable the confirmation dialogs for close of a Vivaldi window or exiting Vivaldi
     User Interface Language and Preferred Date & Time Format can be tweaked here, too
     The Automatically offer to translate pages checkbox is unchecked by default, I check it as it's a feature I like.
     The latest version of Vivaldi comes bundled with an e-mail client (not webmail, but it's own email client interface), Calendar, and Feeds functionality.  The checkbox to enable these, or disable them, as a group is the last item in the General pane.  You should have been given the option to enable/disable at install, but if you change your mind in either direction, this is where you do it.
 
Appearance Pane:
The Menu section is what you're most likely to want to tweak.  Vivaldi defaults to what it calls Vivaldi Button menu position, which is down the left side of the screen, and Vivaldi Icon presentation for menu icons.  You may wish to activate the radio buttons for Horizontal menu position and/or menu icon instead.  The horizontal presentation is what we've been used to for decades now, across the top with the usual menus/submenus.  The only difference that's visible as far as menu icon choice is whether the generic "hamburger stack" menu button is used versus one with the Vivaldi logo.
You can also go crazy customizing either the horizontal or Vivaldi Button menus, but I don't.
 
Themes Pane:
Probably not relevant unless you have residual vision.  There are dark themes versus light themes, etc.
 
Start Page Pane:
Probably nothing unless you use the start page.
 
Tabs Pane:
Probably nothing, but there are scads of tweaks one can make, and you'd need to review the checkboxes and other controls available to decide for yourself.  Many of them have to do with visual presentation.
 
Panel Pane:
This could be a big one.  There is a set of control tabs that show up down the left side of the window by default and that are constantly on display.  Depending on whether you ever use these or not, you may want to do either one of two things, or perhaps both.  There is Panel Position option with a radio button for Left Side and Right Side presentation of the Vivaldi Panel, moving it to the Right side get it out of the way of traversal.  In addition, there is a Panel Options section, and there are several settings there you may wish to tweak:
Show panel toggle checkbox - unchecked by default, which means the control tabs are always on display, no matter which side you choose.  If checked, you get an additional single control that allows you to show or hide the whole thing with one click.  This might be a game changer for many.
Overlay panel checkbox - checked by default, which makes the control tabs panel overlay the browser content.  It may help quite a bit to uncheck this, but I haven't played with it with a screen reader.
Show Folder Counters checkbox - checked by default, and likely irrelevant if you are trying to get rid of the panel entirely.  These annoy me, though, so I uncheck.
 
There are quite a few additional panes, that I won't get into here.  If someone wants me to dig in to a specific one then please ask.  The above may make Vivaldi, and traversal in it, a lot more screen-reader friendly.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

The poor wish to be rich, the rich wish to be happy, the single wish to be married, and the married wish to be dead.

       ~ Ann Landers


Re: My Brief Experiences Using Vivaldi With JAWS

JM Casey
 

Hello David.

 

Yes, that’s also been my experience using Vivaldi, and I commented on this on this list and elsewhere before. It’s not exactly a deal-breaker for me but I don’t’ find it great. I have a feeling you can reconfigure vivaldi to move all of its bars etc anywhere on the screen, so it may be possible to do this in a way that seems more convenient to us, but I haven’t played around with it enough to know the trick. One thing’s for sure – Vivaldi is extremely configurable so a “fix” on individual machines might well be possible.

 

From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: July 17, 2021 11:31 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [chat] My Brief Experiences Using Vivaldi With JAWS

 

Hello. As I’ve seen a recent reference on this list to the Vivaldi browser I wanted to write a bit of feedback on my own experiences in using it as of a few weeks ago. Please note that my experiences with it were in combination with JAWS.

I installed Vivaldi as I wanted a backup browser that I could use with its default settings in case I needed to access a page on a browser without all of the ad blocking and anti-tracking that I usually have enabled on Edge and Brave. However, I discovered that Vivaldi’s search box, address bar and menu buttons are actually being rendered in the screen reader’s virtual buffer right above the contents of the Web page that you happen to be reading. In my mind this is unacceptable so I uninstalled it. After doing so I was taken to a survey on Vivaldi’s Web site asking for the reasons why I uninstalled Vivaldi. I told them what issues I was experiencing and said that I would reinstall the browser once these issues are fixed. Brave initially had this same problem when it was in beta but they have since corrected it.

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

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Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

 

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

 

 


Re: Issue with directing headphone sound output while using NVDA

Gene
 

I don’t have a zoom account so I don’t know if you are placed where I am placed when you enter a meeting. 
 
If you tab through all available items and don’t find this when you are in a meeting, let us know. 
 
When I am in a meeting and tab around, I get to a butten that says something like audio settings, menu.  Press the button with the space bar and down arrow.  You must have the headphones connected to see the choice of more than one listening source.
You will see, when you down arrow, both your internal sound card and the one you have connected using a USB connection.  Press enter on the headphone source and your audio should change to the headphones.
 
You don’t have to wait until you are in a meeting with people.  You can join a test meeting using this page.
 
It might be a good idea to have the following instructions available in some other way than in this message    , for example, you might take notes or record them, but in some way, it might be easier to have them separate from the computer so you don’t have to keep alt tabbing between the message window and where you are working.  But I think you can alt tab repeatedly if you wish. 
Major steps begin on new lines.
Go to the page using the link I gave in a browser and find the join button.  Activate it with the space bar.
I don’t know how much help you may or may not need after that point. 
After a pause, tab to the open url button and press the space bar, at least that’s what you do using my browser.  I don’t know if your browser will show a different interface.
After you join, tab to and find the close button.  It closes the speaker and microphone test.
then tab around and find the join without video button and press the space bar.
After that, you should be on a button that says join with computer audio.
Press the space bar.
Now, you are in the meeting.
Tab around to find the audio settings menu button.  Press the space bar.
Down arrow through the options and press enter on the one you want.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 12:06 AM
Subject: [chat] Issue with directing headphone sound output while using NVDA
 
hi group,
 
I have a soundcard connected in my headphones but when I join a zoom meeting through client the sound comes out from my laptop speakers how can I resolve?
and also, the sound of the people comes out from my laptop speakers but the sound of nvda remains in my hedphones
 


Issue with directing headphone sound output while using NVDA

udit pandey
 

hi group,

I have a soundcard connected in my headphones but when I join a zoom meeting through client the sound comes out from my laptop speakers how can I resolve?
and also, the sound of the people comes out from my laptop speakers but the sound of nvda remains in my hedphones


Re: My Brief Experiences Using Vivaldi With JAWS

 

On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 11:30 PM, David Goldfield wrote:
I installed Vivaldi as I wanted a backup browser that I could use with its default settings in case I needed to access a page on a browser without all of the ad blocking and anti-tracking that I usually have enabled on Edge and Brave.
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David, on this note, that's not really what you're going to get.  While Vivaldi is not quite as aggressive as Brave is, it is in the class of ad-blocking and privacy-preserving browsers.  It's got built in ad-blocking and other security measures.

Just thought that needed to be noted.  It's not really a "naked browser" that one can use if one wants something as open to anything as one can get.  If you're not already a Chrome user with "shields" in place in it, that's probably the best option for occasional use as a wide-open browser.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

The poor wish to be rich, the rich wish to be happy, the single wish to be married, and the married wish to be dead.

       ~ Ann Landers


My Brief Experiences Using Vivaldi With JAWS

David Goldfield
 

Hello. As I’ve seen a recent reference on this list to the Vivaldi browser I wanted to write a bit of feedback on my own experiences in using it as of a few weeks ago. Please note that my experiences with it were in combination with JAWS.

I installed Vivaldi as I wanted a backup browser that I could use with its default settings in case I needed to access a page on a browser without all of the ad blocking and anti-tracking that I usually have enabled on Edge and Brave. However, I discovered that Vivaldi’s search box, address bar and menu buttons are actually being rendered in the screen reader’s virtual buffer right above the contents of the Web page that you happen to be reading. In my mind this is unacceptable so I uninstalled it. After doing so I was taken to a survey on Vivaldi’s Web site asking for the reasons why I uninstalled Vivaldi. I told them what issues I was experiencing and said that I would reinstall the browser once these issues are fixed. Brave initially had this same problem when it was in beta but they have since corrected it.

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

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Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

 

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

 

 


Re: Issue with directing headphone sound output while using NVDA

 

I have merged your latest query into the topic you started yesterday, and have retitled it to be much more specific about the issue you're inquiring about.  Please use this topic, and only this topic, for further discussion regarding this issue.

It's clear that you want to redirect sound for certain things to come out via one soundcard source and it's using the other.  This has been covered before, and I think on the main group, but someone is almost certain to answer here.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

The poor wish to be rich, the rich wish to be happy, the single wish to be married, and the married wish to be dead.

       ~ Ann Landers


Issue with directing headphone sound output while using NVDA

udit pandey
 

hi group,

I have a soundcard connected in my headphones but when I join a zoom meeting through client the sound comes out from my laptop speakers how can I resolve?


Re: Would anyone who uses NVDA and Microsoft Teams be willing to answer some questions for me?

David Goldfield
 

Hi, Khalid.

If you press control+Comma to open the Preferences dialog you should find a Notifications tab within this dialog. From this tab you should find an option to use standard Windows notifications as an option which may help in hearing when a message comes through.

A few things to note, however. You need to press the enter key on a tab within this dialog in order for it to gain focus. Just moving to the tab or even pressing the space key on it does not automatically open the tab’s contents.

The option to have Teams notifications appearing as standard Windows notifications is only available in the corporate version of Teams. The personal version doesn’t show this as an option presumably because it already does this by default.

You’ll need to ensure that the option to report notifications is checked in NVDA’s object presentation dialog.

These notifications are not guaranteed to read automatically when you’re in a Teams channel but they should read automatically when you’re focused in a chat window.

Ideally, an addon needs to be created to give Teams user finer control over what you hear, how you hear it and when you hear it. Brian Hartgen has done this for users of the JAWS screen reader and you can learn more about his scripts by going to his Web site. I have not heard of a similar addon for NVDA.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

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Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

 

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

 

 

From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Khalid Anwar
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 1:25 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [chat] Woils anyone who uses NVDA and Microsoft teams be willing to answer some questions for me?

 

Hi there, I have to use Microsoft teams at work with NVDA and I was just wondering if I could get some help.

basically, when a new message comes in, I don’t get a sound for the notification, and NVDA won’t read out who it’s from if I’m not on the app itself, for example if I’m working in a different window which is quite frustrating as I need to know when someone is pinging me on teams.

The other thing is, I’m not sure how to jump straight to unread messages, or bring up a list of my most recent unread messages so I can quickly respond to them.

 

 


Would anyone who uses NVDA and Microsoft Teams be willing to answer some questions for me?

Khalid Anwar
 

Hi there, I have to use Microsoft teams at work with NVDA and I was just wondering if I could get some help.
basically, when a new message comes in, I don’t get a sound for the notification, and NVDA won’t read out who it’s from if I’m not on the app itself, for example if I’m working in a different window which is quite frustrating as I need to know when someone is pinging me on teams.
The other thing is, I’m not sure how to jump straight to unread messages, or bring up a list of my most recent unread messages so I can quickly respond to them.
 
 


Re: IBM-tts copy to addon Button

 

On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 02:49 AM, Vinod Benjamin wrote:
in line with IBM TTS, and latest NVDA 2021.1 its not working in my
updated latest Nvda,
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So, have you followed the instructions I gave (mostly based on what Josh Kennedy offered to me via private exchanges - for which I thank him profusely) on the NVDA Group as the final post on this subject before locking it?  (See message here).

He alludes to one of the things you must do along with several others.  Getting IBM TTS to work is not fully automatic, nor will it ever be.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

The poor wish to be rich, the rich wish to be happy, the single wish to be married, and the married wish to be dead.

       ~ Ann Landers


Re: IBM-tts copy to addon Button

Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
 

regarding IBM-tts, did you tell it where the ibmeci.dll file is located? because if not, then it won't work. as far as making text to speech. It is mostly done in c or c++, and it is very complicated and time consuming. And you better be an expert on phonemes, formants, and other such things. 


Re: regarding the brave browser

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Brave is accessible with NVDA.



On 7/17/2021 4:17 AM, udit pandey wrote:

hi all,
i want to know about the accessibility of brave browser with nvda


Re: regarding the brave browser

 

On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 09:00 AM, Gene wrote:
Links work the same way in all those browsers on my machine.
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Same here.  And Brave is one of my primary browsers.

One Chromium-based browser is (and should be) very, very similar to another.  The only difference I notice with Brave is that some sites don't necessarily work well with it due to its fairly aggressive privacy-preserving tactics.  I don't use it for online banking because there are often points at which one becomes "stuck" not due to the browser, per se, but because of how the site and it interact.  I have no idea what small thing it's blocking that puts the proverbial hitch in the gitty-up, but it's the odd occurrence anyway.

Vivaldi is another good option in this class that's just a bit less stringent.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

The poor wish to be rich, the rich wish to be happy, the single wish to be married, and the married wish to be dead.

       ~ Ann Landers

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