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Re: Drivers and Windows 10 or 11
Who knows. Generally if your scanner has a dedicated driver, you should load it. However windows may find drivers but not in most cases install them and you need to do it manually unless its generic or something. Never the less, your scanner may have a procedure to download the drivers. It may carry old drivers in its memmory and then you update them afterwards, or in the case of some hardware, logitech and microsoft input devices mainly, when windows detects the device, it tells windows to access its website, downloads and installs its drivers, updates its firmware and gets it ready for user access in 5 minutes like one of my touchpads does.
On 19/12/2021 4:53 am, Gene wrote:
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Re: Drivers and Windows 10 or 11
Gene
Thank you. That’s very interesting.
Given what you said, and this may be of interest to others, when you use
the update drivers function in Windows 10, I assume it looks for Microsoft
updates. So if you are using a manufacturer provided update from the
manufacturer’s site, I would think you shouldn’t use the Microsoft check for
update function.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2021 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [chat] Drivers and Windows 10 or 11 Gene, While I will never say never, it has been a very long time indeed since I last had Windows select a driver that simply would not work with a given plug n' play device. That being said, in all cases if I am buying new peripheral hardware I always go to the website of the OEM for that hardware and download the very latest software and drivers package and install it myself before connecting the peripheral. I want the device manufacturer's driver and software, and the very latest version, whenever possible. Most software that comes (or, these days, it's more accurate to say came) on optical media packaged with the device was out of date before the device was ever purchased. These days most setup instructions have you fetch the necessary software and drivers package from the maker's website as one of the early steps in installing the device. While Microsoft generic drivers generally work, they are not optimized to the device and may omit certain features that the manufacturer driver contains. Mind you, Microsoft has a vast "Driver Library in the Cloud" where those drivers are supplied by the device makers, but even then the ones they have may very well be slightly older to very much older than what the device maker supplies. It all depends on whether the device manufacturer has supplied the newest drivers to Microsoft for inclusion in the library and whether Microsoft has, as yet, placed them there. -- Brian
- Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build
19043 Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. ~ Mark Twain
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Re: Drivers and Windows 10 or 11
Gene,
While I will never say never, it has been a very long time indeed since I last had Windows select a driver that simply would not work with a given plug n' play device. That being said, in all cases if I am buying new peripheral hardware I always go to the website of the OEM for that hardware and download the very latest software and drivers package and install it myself before connecting the peripheral. I want the device manufacturer's driver and software, and the very latest version, whenever possible. Most software that comes (or, these days, it's more accurate to say came) on optical media packaged with the device was out of date before the device was ever purchased. These days most setup instructions have you fetch the necessary software and drivers package from the maker's website as one of the early steps in installing the device. While Microsoft generic drivers generally work, they are not optimized to the device and may omit certain features that the manufacturer driver contains. Mind you, Microsoft has a vast "Driver Library in the Cloud" where those drivers are supplied by the device makers, but even then the ones they have may very well be slightly older to very much older than what the device maker supplies. It all depends on whether the device manufacturer has supplied the newest drivers to Microsoft for inclusion in the library and whether Microsoft has, as yet, placed them there. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. ~ Mark Twain
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Drivers and Windows 10 or 11
Gene
I’m seriously thinking about getting either a Windows 10 or 11 machine very
soon. I want to see what the case is regarding drivers. It used to
be that you weren’t supposed to connect a scanner without first installing the
software because Windows might install the wrong driver. Is that still the
case or is Windows now sophisticated enough to automatically usually find the
right one?
Gene
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Re: Issues With Screen Reader Speech And Realtek Sound Drivers
David,
My first suggestion would be that you contact the folks at Microsoft, specifically: US Microsoft & Windows Accessibility Support Webpage They tend to get calls about these sorts of hardware-specific issues with great frequency and have an extensive archive of quick fixes related to specific machines. If they don't, then you're not any worse off than you are at the moment. The one thing I would not recommend is going with Microsoft generic drivers. It sounds like you have already visited this support page for the Intel variant (as opposed to the AMD variant) of the Vivobook 15: https://www.asus.com/us/Laptops/For-Home/All-series/VivoBook-15-F513-11th-Gen-Intel/HelpDesk_Download/ If you have installed the latest audio drivers from Asus, then there is little more that you can do on that end. However, make absolutely the firmware and BIOS (UEFI) is up to date on the machine, too. These days updates to the firmware happen with much greater frequency than they once did, and that underlies everything else. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. ~ Mark Twain
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Issues With Screen Reader Speech And Realtek Sound Drivers
David Goldfield
I admit I had some difficulty figuring out the most appropriate group for posting this question. After some experimentation I’ve concluded that it’s not a JAWS issue nor is it an NVDA issue. I didn’t even want to post it to the Windows group as it’s not even an issue with Windows but, from what I can tell, a problem, apparently an ongoing one, with some Realtek sound cards or at least some drivers. I say some as I have a Dell Latitude laptop with Realtek drivers and screen reader performance with speech is absolutely ideal. Responsiveness is snappy and there are no unexpected audio cutoffs. Initially, I was considering purchasing an Asus Vivobook laptop from the Microsoft store. After considering some sound advice, pun honestly not intended, and after giving it a lot of thought I decided to not purchase the laptop. However, my wife needed to purchase a new laptop. I decided to buy the Vivobook for her but went with the 11th generation I5 instead of the I7 as it’s a tad cheaper and I figured it would still be faster than anything she’s ever used up to this point. For reference this is what I bought for her. While Windows 11 was offered during the laptop’s initial setup my wife prefers to stick with Windows 10 for now and so Win10 is what I chose. After completing the setup and installing both JAWS 2022 and NVDA 2021.3 for my own use I discovered two very odd symptoms. First, while entering text as well as using navigation keys to review the text there is some very noticeable sluggishness. I’m not talking about the first letter or portion of a word being cut off due to inactivity which is a more common issue. In this case, everything is very clear and complete when spoken but there is a delay, similar to what might happen if you try to read text while your CPU is heavily engaged in some intense activity such as multiple downloads or another processor-intensive task but I don’t believe this is the case. The other symptom that I noticed is the exact opposite problem that some users report with speech being cut off when they press a key. In this case, speech sometimes gets cut off somewhat prematurely before the end of whatever is being spoken rather than at the beginning. I was able to solve this particular problem by going to the properties of the sound card and disabling “enable audio enhancements.” Unchecking this option allows speech to complete whatever it is saying without being cut off at the very end but the audio quality then degrades and speech sounds tinnier. Disabling this option seems to alleviate the sluggishness by a very small fraction but I still don’t get the level of responsiveness I’m used to with my Latitude which also uses Realtek software. These symptoms occur in the same manner whether I use JAWS 2022 with Eloquence or NVDA with ESpeak. I did download as many updates that were available for this laptop bringing the version of Windows 10 to 21 H1 including an Asus driver but these symptoms have not changed. As my wife is sighted she will not be affected by these issues and will likely be quite happy both with the laptop’s performance as well as with its OLED screen. If I could figure out how to solve this problem I’d consider buying the version with the I7 processor for myself but these problems are, for me, not tolerable. Is it preferable to downgrade to a generic Microsoft sound driver or are there other solutions I could pursue? Many thanks for any advice you can provide.
David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019 Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field. Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io
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Re: Pontes media downloader issues, need help please
I have 3.2 and the latest engines and thhey do work.
On 18/12/2021 5:28 pm, Tim M wrote:
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Re: Pontes media downloader issues, need help please
Tim M
So far with version 3.1 I have had some slow downs but no other problems with the youtube site. I can download playlists so long as all videos are posted. If you get one in the middle not post yet. Then the download will stop with that file and hang until that file is released. Just because a video shows on youtube. That don't mean its playable. They let you upload the video and post on a later date, but it
still shows in the list of videos. On 12/16/2021 11:35 PM, Brian Vogel
wrote:
On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 11:31 PM, arqam mehmood wrote:
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Re: Pontes media downloader issues, need help please
Dennis Clark
Hi Richard, I think I knew that at one time, but I forgot about that command. Thanks for the reminder. Dennis
On 12/17/2021 7:41 AM, Richard Wells
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Re: application to download videos from youtube
Gene
That is my experience. I’m saying there are other ways to move to the
address bar and I prefer the other commands.
As for the text being highlighted, it is highlighted before you move to the
address bar, so any way you move to it, it will be highlighted.
Gene
-----Original message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [chat] application to download videos from
youtube Hey.
I feel like this has come up before. In all circumstances I have seen so far using any version of windows Explorer/file explorer and any web browser, alt-d will move to the address bar, and any text thatis there there will be selected (highlighted). Very curious if that isn’t your experience.
From:
chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
What you wrote stated that you teach alt d. I don’t know if you teach f6 to do this as well but you strongly implied not.
You said in part: It's the one I teach when someone needs to get to the address bar either to copy the current address, or to enter a new one. The fact that ALT + D not only throws focus there, but also selects the content, makes it perfect for either task. As I said, alt d doesn’t select anything, it just moves youthere.
I wanted to explain why I use f6 so others may consider which they prefer when they are in a document and want to get to the address bar to copy the address. I don’t use f6 to get to the address bar to manually type a new address. .
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [chat] application to download videos from youtube
On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 11:56 AM, Gene wrote:
- Brian
- Windows 10,
64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. ~ Mark Twain
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Re: application to download videos from youtube
JM Casey
Hey.
I feel like this has come up before. In all circumstances I have seen so far using any version of windows Explorer/file explorer and any web browser, alt-d will move to the address bar, and any text thatis there there will be selected (highlighted). Very curious if that isn’t your experience.
From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: December 17, 2021 12:10 PM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [chat] application to download videos from youtube
What you wrote stated that you teach alt d. I don’t know if you teach f6 to do this as well but you strongly implied not.
You said in part: It's the one I teach when someone needs to get to the address bar either to copy the current address, or to enter a new one. The fact that ALT + D not only throws focus there, but also selects the content, makes it perfect for either task. As I said, alt d doesn’t select anything, it just moves youthere.
I wanted to explain why I use f6 so others may consider which they prefer when they are in a document and want to get to the address bar to copy the address. I don’t use f6 to get to the address bar to manually type a new address. .
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [chat] application to download videos from youtube
On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 11:56 AM, Gene wrote:
- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. ~ Mark Twain
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Re: strange behaviour on google doc with nvda
farhan israk
Thank you.
On Fri, 17 Dec 2021, 8:10 pm Dave Grossoehme, <dave@...> wrote:
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Re: Pontes media downloader issues, need help please
On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 10:56 AM, Gene wrote:
Its an interesting subject which browser is superior.- And is almost entirely subjective, as one's man's meat is another man's poison. That's why I hate, "What's best?," type questions because without a definition of what the asker considers "best" qualities, it's meaningless. You're correct that discussing features one wants, and differences between software in a given class (web browsers, in this case), is the way to go. There's a reason I put this rule in the main group rules: 5. Please avoid, “What is the best . . .?,” topics, because what qualifies as “best” is entirely subjective. Topics of this sort are also always chat topics. If you know you have specific needs then asking, “What {insert program type here} has the following features . . .,” is much more descriptive. If you want to know what programs people like for a specific task, asking, “What’s your favorite . . . and why?,” is far more likely to get you the details you want to have. Notice that none of the above questions ask about whether a program is accessible with NVDA. If you’re asking something like, “Which {insert program class here} is accessible with NVDA?,” then it’s a main group topic. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. ~ Mark Twain
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Re: Pontes media downloader issues, need help please
Well looking at yt-dl on github it also has the ffmpeg builds.
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Now for those having an issue I do wander what would happen if you backed up youtubedownloader.exe, named yt-dl.exe youtubedownloader.exe and tried to get the vid with that? Have you contacted pontes on this. If no one has I will try to do so and see if they can update their program.
On 17/12/2021 5:02 pm, arqam mehmood wrote:
Hi all.
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Re: application to download videos from youtube
Gene
What you wrote stated that you teach alt d. I don’t know if you teach
f6 to do this as well but you strongly implied not.
You said in part:
It's the one I teach when someone needs to get to the address bar either to
copy the current address, or to enter a new one. The fact that ALT + D not
only throws focus there, but also selects the content, makes it perfect for
either task. As I said, alt d doesn’t select anything, it just moves
youthere.
I wanted to explain why I use f6 so others may consider which they prefer
when they are in a document and want to get to the address bar to copy the
address. I don’t use f6 to get to the address bar to manually type a new
address. .
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [chat] application to download videos from
youtube On
Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 11:56 AM, Gene wrote: I think this is a matter of preference.- Did I state otherwise? I don't think so. There is no right or wrong way to accomplish a task if it works. One or another may be more or less efficient, or pretty much equivalent. I've never said that anyone should use any given command. It is, however, important to understand the commands you are using. That's all this was about. -- Brian
- Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build
19043 Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. ~ Mark Twain
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Re: application to download videos from youtube
On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 11:56 AM, Gene wrote:
I think this is a matter of preference.- Did I state otherwise? I don't think so. There is no right or wrong way to accomplish a task if it works. One or another may be more or less efficient, or pretty much equivalent. I've never said that anyone should use any given command. It is, however, important to understand the commands you are using. That's all this was about. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. ~ Mark Twain
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Re: application to download videos from youtube
Gene
The content is already selected. It doesn’t matterif you use alt d or
f6. I think this is a matter of preference. I use f6 because of what
I’ll call consistency of using the same command. In most browsers I’ve
used, pressing f6 once takes me to the address bar. When I want to return
to the document, shift f6 may be used. If I use just f6, I may move
through one or two other structures, depending on what is opened, such as
history or book marks but then I return to the main window. I prefer using
f6 to move to the address bar and something like shift f6 or repeating f6
again. As I said, I like the consistency of the command. Alt d to
move to the address bar, then shift f6 to return to the document are two
different commands. I ;prefer using a one hand command. As I said,
this is a matter of preference.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [chat] application to download videos from
youtube And
since it's absolutely apropos here, I'm quoting a post I just made on "that
other media downloader topic:" On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 10:41 AM, Richard Wells wrote: I have found that ALT+D will always focus the address bar with the content of the address bar selected. So far, I have not found a browser that does not support this way of doing it and it always takes focus straight to the address bar.- Until and unless one of the major or minor but well-known web browser developers change it, this command is, to my knowledge, observation, and direct experience universal. It's the one I teach when someone needs to get to the address bar either to copy the current address, or to enter a new one. The fact that ALT + D not only throws focus there, but also selects the content, makes it perfect for either task. You can instantly hit CTRL + C to copy what's there, or start typing something else and what was there will be stricken with the first character entered. -- Brian
- Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build
19043 Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. ~ Mark Twain
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Re: Punctuation
Just tossing out that you can also use configuration profiles based on the app you're using, that trigger automatically when that app has focus.
You'd still do what Gene has instructed, but if you want to limit these changes based upon what program/app you happen to be using NVDA to access at any given time, you may also want to set up separate application-specific configuration profiles. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. ~ Mark Twain
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Re: application to download videos from youtube
And since it's absolutely apropos here, I'm quoting a post I just made on "that other media downloader topic:"
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On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 10:41 AM, Richard Wells wrote: I have found that ALT+D will always focus the address bar with the content of the address bar selected. So far, I have not found a browser that does not support this way of doing it and it always takes focus straight to the address bar.- Until and unless one of the major or minor but well-known web browser developers change it, this command is, to my knowledge, observation, and direct experience universal. It's the one I teach when someone needs to get to the address bar either to copy the current address, or to enter a new one. The fact that ALT + D not only throws focus there, but also selects the content, makes it perfect for either task. You can instantly hit CTRL + C to copy what's there, or start typing something else and what was there will be stricken with the first character entered. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. ~ Mark Twain
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Re: application to download videos from youtube
On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 07:50 AM, Gene wrote:
It is important to know about the f6 command. It is not specific to any browser and it is actually a Windows command. Many windows are divided into sections, called panes. A window might have a tool bar in a pane and the main window is in another pane. Pressing f6 moves you from pane to pane.- Agreed. But I want to emphasize something you've already said: This is a Windows Command, and it's the "jump to next pane, or screen element/area," command. You eventually circle back to wherever you started when you first hit F6. From the Microsoft help page entitled, Use a screen reader to explore and navigate File Explorer in Windows, and it's talked about many other places, too: Cycle through the main screen elements Press F6 (forward) or Shift+F6 (backward) to cycle through the main elements of File Explorer in the following order:
Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. ~ Mark Twain
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