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Re: Drivers and Windows 10 or 11

 

Who knows.

Generally if your scanner has a dedicated driver, you should load it.

However windows may find drivers but not in most cases install them and you need to do it manually unless its generic or something.

Never the less, your scanner may have a procedure to download the drivers.

It may carry old drivers in its memmory and then you update them afterwards, or in the case of some hardware, logitech and microsoft input devices mainly, when windows detects the device, it tells windows to access its website, downloads and installs its drivers, updates its firmware and gets it ready for user access in 5 minutes like one of my touchpads does.



On 19/12/2021 4:53 am, Gene wrote:

I’m seriously thinking about getting either a Windows 10 or 11 machine very soon.  I want to see what the case is regarding drivers.  It used to be that you weren’t supposed to connect a scanner without first installing the software because Windows might install the wrong driver.  Is that still the case or is Windows now sophisticated enough to automatically usually find the right one? 
 
Gene


Re: Drivers and Windows 10 or 11

Gene
 

Thank you.  That’s very interesting. 
 
Given what you said, and this may be of interest to others, when you use the update drivers function in Windows 10, I assume it looks for Microsoft updates.  So if you are using a manufacturer provided update from the manufacturer’s site, I would think you shouldn’t use the Microsoft check for update function.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2021 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [chat] Drivers and Windows 10 or 11
 
Gene,

While I will never say never, it has been a very long time indeed since I last had Windows select a driver that simply would not work with a given plug n' play device.

That being said, in all cases if I am buying new peripheral hardware I always go to the website of the OEM for that hardware and download the very latest software and drivers package and install it myself before connecting the peripheral.

I want the device manufacturer's driver and software, and the very latest version, whenever possible.  Most software that comes (or, these days, it's more accurate to say came) on optical media packaged with the device was out of date before the device was ever purchased.  These days most setup instructions have you fetch the necessary software and drivers package from the maker's website as one of the early steps in installing the device.

While Microsoft generic drivers generally work, they are not optimized to the device and may omit certain features that the manufacturer driver contains.  Mind you, Microsoft has a vast "Driver Library in the Cloud" where those drivers are supplied by the device makers, but even then the ones they have may very well be slightly older to very much older than what the device maker supplies.  It all depends on whether the device manufacturer has supplied the newest drivers to Microsoft for inclusion in the library and whether Microsoft has, as yet, placed them there.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer.

        ~ Mark Twain


Re: Drivers and Windows 10 or 11

 

Gene,

While I will never say never, it has been a very long time indeed since I last had Windows select a driver that simply would not work with a given plug n' play device.

That being said, in all cases if I am buying new peripheral hardware I always go to the website of the OEM for that hardware and download the very latest software and drivers package and install it myself before connecting the peripheral.

I want the device manufacturer's driver and software, and the very latest version, whenever possible.  Most software that comes (or, these days, it's more accurate to say came) on optical media packaged with the device was out of date before the device was ever purchased.  These days most setup instructions have you fetch the necessary software and drivers package from the maker's website as one of the early steps in installing the device.

While Microsoft generic drivers generally work, they are not optimized to the device and may omit certain features that the manufacturer driver contains.  Mind you, Microsoft has a vast "Driver Library in the Cloud" where those drivers are supplied by the device makers, but even then the ones they have may very well be slightly older to very much older than what the device maker supplies.  It all depends on whether the device manufacturer has supplied the newest drivers to Microsoft for inclusion in the library and whether Microsoft has, as yet, placed them there.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer.

        ~ Mark Twain


Drivers and Windows 10 or 11

Gene
 

I’m seriously thinking about getting either a Windows 10 or 11 machine very soon.  I want to see what the case is regarding drivers.  It used to be that you weren’t supposed to connect a scanner without first installing the software because Windows might install the wrong driver.  Is that still the case or is Windows now sophisticated enough to automatically usually find the right one? 
 
Gene


Re: Issues With Screen Reader Speech And Realtek Sound Drivers

 

David,

My first suggestion would be that you contact the folks at Microsoft, specifically:  US Microsoft & Windows Accessibility Support Webpage

They tend to get calls about these sorts of hardware-specific issues with great frequency and have an extensive archive of quick fixes related to specific machines.  If they don't, then you're not any worse off than you are at the moment.

The one thing I would not recommend is going with Microsoft generic drivers.  It sounds like you have already visited this support page for the Intel variant (as opposed to the AMD variant) of the Vivobook 15:  https://www.asus.com/us/Laptops/For-Home/All-series/VivoBook-15-F513-11th-Gen-Intel/HelpDesk_Download/

If you have installed the latest audio drivers from Asus, then there is little more that you can do on that end.  However, make absolutely the firmware and BIOS (UEFI) is up to date on the machine, too.  These days updates to the firmware happen with much greater frequency than they once did, and that underlies everything else.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer.

        ~ Mark Twain


Issues With Screen Reader Speech And Realtek Sound Drivers

David Goldfield
 

I admit I had some difficulty figuring out the most appropriate group for posting this question. After some experimentation I’ve concluded that it’s not a JAWS issue nor is it an NVDA issue. I didn’t even want to post it to the Windows group as it’s not even an issue with Windows but, from what I can tell, a problem, apparently an ongoing one, with some Realtek sound cards or at least some drivers. I say some as I have a Dell Latitude laptop with Realtek drivers and screen reader performance with speech is absolutely ideal. Responsiveness is snappy and there are no unexpected audio cutoffs.

Initially, I was considering purchasing an Asus Vivobook laptop from the Microsoft store. After considering some sound advice, pun honestly not intended, and after giving it a lot of thought I decided to not purchase the laptop. However, my wife needed to purchase a new laptop. I decided to buy the Vivobook for her but went with the 11th generation I5 instead of the I7 as it’s a tad cheaper and I figured it would still be faster than anything she’s ever used up to this point. For reference this is what I bought for her.

While Windows 11 was offered during the laptop’s initial setup my wife prefers to stick with Windows 10 for now and so Win10 is what I chose.

After completing the setup and installing both JAWS 2022 and NVDA 2021.3 for my own use I discovered two very odd symptoms.

First, while entering text as well as using navigation keys to review the text there is some very noticeable sluggishness. I’m not talking about the first letter or portion of a word being cut off due to inactivity which is a more common issue. In this case, everything is very clear and complete when spoken but there is a delay, similar to what might happen if you try to read text while your CPU is heavily engaged in some intense activity such as multiple downloads or another processor-intensive task but I don’t believe this is the case. The other symptom that I noticed is the exact opposite problem that some users report with speech being cut off when they press a key. In this case, speech sometimes gets cut off somewhat prematurely before the end of whatever is being spoken rather than at the beginning. I was able to solve this particular problem by going to the properties of the sound card and disabling “enable audio enhancements.” Unchecking this option allows speech to complete whatever it is saying without being cut off at the very end but the audio quality then degrades and speech sounds tinnier. Disabling this option seems to alleviate the sluggishness by a very small fraction but I still don’t get the level of responsiveness I’m used to with my Latitude which also uses Realtek software. These symptoms occur in the same manner whether I use JAWS 2022 with Eloquence or NVDA with ESpeak.

I did download as many updates that were available for this laptop bringing the version of Windows 10 to 21 H1 including an Asus driver but these symptoms have not changed. As my wife is sighted she will not be affected by these issues and will likely be quite happy both with the laptop’s performance as well as with its OLED screen. If I could figure out how to solve this problem I’d consider buying the version with the I7 processor for myself but these problems are, for me, not tolerable. Is it preferable to downgrade to a generic Microsoft sound driver or are there other solutions I could pursue?

Many thanks for any advice you can provide.

 

 

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

 

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

 

 


Re: Pontes media downloader issues, need help please

 

I have 3.2 and the latest engines and thhey do work.



On 18/12/2021 5:28 pm, Tim M wrote:

So far with version 3.1

I have had some slow downs but no other problems with the youtube site.

I can download playlists so long as all videos are posted. If you get one in the middle not post yet. Then the download will stop with that file and hang until that file is released.

Just because a video shows on youtube. That don't mean its playable.

They let you upload the video and post on a later date, but it still shows in the list of videos.

On 12/16/2021 11:35 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 11:31 PM, arqam mehmood wrote:
but with this method, it's not possible to download playlists.
-
That's not what I interpreted the original request to be.  I'm not a big YouTube user myself, either.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

People have become so rigid; their opinions seem to them like themselves. When that happens (and it has happened) people can’t change their minds. If you are identified by your opinions — if that is the very basis of yourself — how can you change your mind?

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


Re: Pontes media downloader issues, need help please

Tim M
 

So far with version 3.1

I have had some slow downs but no other problems with the youtube site.

I can download playlists so long as all videos are posted. If you get one in the middle not post yet. Then the download will stop with that file and hang until that file is released.

Just because a video shows on youtube. That don't mean its playable.

They let you upload the video and post on a later date, but it still shows in the list of videos.

On 12/16/2021 11:35 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 11:31 PM, arqam mehmood wrote:
but with this method, it's not possible to download playlists.
-
That's not what I interpreted the original request to be.  I'm not a big YouTube user myself, either.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

People have become so rigid; their opinions seem to them like themselves. When that happens (and it has happened) people can’t change their minds. If you are identified by your opinions — if that is the very basis of yourself — how can you change your mind?

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)


Re: Pontes media downloader issues, need help please

Dennis Clark
 

Hi Richard,

I think I knew that at one time, but I forgot about that command. Thanks for the reminder.

Dennis


On 12/17/2021 7:41 AM, Richard Wells wrote:

I have found that ALT+D will always focus the address bar with the content of the address bar selected. So far, I have not found a browser that does not support this way of doing it and it always takes focus straight to the address bar. The first press of F6 will not necessarily move focus to where you want it.

On 12/17/2021 9:14 AM, Gene wrote:
If those using the newer Edge use f6 to get to the address bar, that browser isn’t set up in the usual way.  You need to press it twice.  You can get to the address bar in other ways as well but its good that f6 is being discussed since it is an important command to know aside from the use we are discussing.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [chat] Pontes media downloader issues, need help please
 

Hello Dan,

I apologize for causing more confusion than clarity. I typed my response in a rush, and should have waited until I had more time to be clear.

 

The method I was describing is not a program like Pontes that one would download and install. It is instead simply a web based service, which will access the YouTube video at the address link specified by the user, then copy that video to its website for processing. Once it is finished processing which takes a few seconds, it provides a link a user can click on, and download the video or audio file to a local computer.

 

The website for the service I described is:

www.yt5s.com

 

The www.yt5s.com service can be used 2 different ways.

The way I initially described is the quickest method, because it eliminates a couple of steps.

The second method works as follows.

 

While on the YouTube webpage for the audio or video that one wishes to download, the address link for that specific youtube must be copied in some way to the clipboard just as is the case with Pontes Media Downloader.

 

I always do this by pressing function key 6, and this takes me to a window which contains the entire youtube link and nothing else.

I just tested again on my computer since others are apparently obtaining a different result which leaves me puzzled.

I just went to a youtube video page using Brave, Google Chrome, and Firefox, and pressing function key 6 in each browser provides the youtube page address.

 

So I guess I would say that using whatever people use to copy the YouTube address to the clipboard when using Pontes Media Downloader should be followed here also.

 

Once that youtube address is shown, the user has 2 options when using the www.yt5s.com service to download a video or audio.

 

The first method is the one I described in my previous post, which is to simply edit the displayed address by inserting the 2 characters 5s into the address, then pressing enter.

Example:

If the YouTube address being displayed is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXopgNU2sNY&ab_channel=DarrelWilson

 

Edit/modify  the address by inserting the 2 characters 5s after youtube and before .com so that it reads as follows:

 

https://www.youtube5s.com/watch?v=CXopgNU2sNY&ab_channel=DarrelWilson

 

After making this 2 letter modification to the youtube address, pressing the enter key will automatically take a user to the www.yt5s.com website with the conversion and download ready to go by simply clicking the get file button, then pressing enter on download file.


The alternative method for using the www.yt5s.com service is similar to Pontes Media Downloader, though there is no program to download and install like Pontes. Everything is done using your web browser.

 

The first stetp as with Pontes is to get to the YouTube video address in whatever way you typically do, for me funtion key 6.

Once there copy the address to the clipboard.

Next point your browser to the website, www.yt5s.com.

Once there, a form field is available where you must paste the YouTube address from your clipboard into the field.

 

Click on the button which says get video.

In a few seconds a link will appear which says download, so click on that link.

The standard Windows download options are presented for downloading to your computer.

 

This is certainly not a replacement for Pontes Media Downloader. Pontes is especially wonderful since it enables the downloading of entire playlists. I do find my downloads to be quicker than with Pontes, but this does not offset the loss of being able to download playlists.

 

Please let me know if I can provide any additional info.

Warmest regards,

Dennis

 

 

 

 

On 12/16/2021 5:42 PM, Dan Thompson wrote:

Hi Denis, is great to hear from  you.  Yes, you can help.  What is the program you used to convert, where do  you get it and where do the files go?  Thanks for responding!!!

 

From: chat@nvda.groups.io mailto:chat@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Dennis Clark
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 10:49 AM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [chat] Pontest media downloader issues, need help please

 

Hello Dan,

It seems that Pontes Media downloader is now being blocked by youtube. At first it appeared to be in just a few geographic regions, but it is now pretty universal. I just posted a method for downloading mp3 or mp4 files from youtube, and it works well. Let me know if I can help.

Best,

Dennis

 

On 12/16/2021 5:24 AM, Dan Thompson wrote:

Greetings, Media pontest media downloader is not converting my files from youtube or putting them in the folder designated.  Is anyone else having that problem.  I have uninstalled version two and reinstalled it a few times.  Then I tried version 3.0 and neither one is working.  Does anyone have ideas how to get it working again or another accessible conversion program?  Thanks in advance and Merry Christmas to all.

               


Re: application to download videos from youtube

Gene
 

That is my experience.  I’m saying there are other ways to move to the address bar and I prefer the other commands.
 
As for the text being highlighted, it is highlighted before you move to the address bar, so any way you move to it, it will be highlighted.
 
Gene

-----Original message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [chat] application to download videos from youtube
 

Hey.

 

I feel like this has come up before. In all circumstances I have seen so far using  any version of windows Explorer/file explorer and any web browser, alt-d will move to the address bar, and any text thatis there there will be selected (highlighted). Very curious if that isn’t your experience.

 

 

 

From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: December 17, 2021 12:10 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [chat] application to download videos from youtube

 

What you wrote stated that you teach alt d.  I don’t know if you teach f6 to do this as well but you strongly implied not.

 

You said in part:

It's the one I teach when someone needs to get to the address bar either to copy the current address, or to enter a new one.  The fact that ALT + D not only throws focus there, but also selects the content, makes it perfect for either task.  As I said, alt d doesn’t select anything, it just moves youthere.

 

I wanted to explain why I use f6 so others may consider which they prefer when they are in a document and want to get to the address bar to copy the address.  I don’t use f6 to get to the address bar to manually type a new address.  .

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 11:00 AM

Subject: Re: [chat] application to download videos from youtube

 

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 11:56 AM, Gene wrote:

I think this is a matter of preference.

-
Did I state otherwise?  I don't think so.

There is no right or wrong way to accomplish a task if it works.  One or another may be more or less efficient, or pretty much equivalent.  I've never said that anyone should use any given command.

It is, however, important to understand the commands you are using.  That's all this was about.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer.

        ~ Mark Twain


Re: application to download videos from youtube

JM Casey
 

Hey.

 

I feel like this has come up before. In all circumstances I have seen so far using  any version of windows Explorer/file explorer and any web browser, alt-d will move to the address bar, and any text thatis there there will be selected (highlighted). Very curious if that isn’t your experience.

 

 

 

From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: December 17, 2021 12:10 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [chat] application to download videos from youtube

 

What you wrote stated that you teach alt d.  I don’t know if you teach f6 to do this as well but you strongly implied not.

 

You said in part:

It's the one I teach when someone needs to get to the address bar either to copy the current address, or to enter a new one.  The fact that ALT + D not only throws focus there, but also selects the content, makes it perfect for either task.  As I said, alt d doesn’t select anything, it just moves youthere.

 

I wanted to explain why I use f6 so others may consider which they prefer when they are in a document and want to get to the address bar to copy the address.  I don’t use f6 to get to the address bar to manually type a new address.  .

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 11:00 AM

Subject: Re: [chat] application to download videos from youtube

 

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 11:56 AM, Gene wrote:

I think this is a matter of preference.

-
Did I state otherwise?  I don't think so.

There is no right or wrong way to accomplish a task if it works.  One or another may be more or less efficient, or pretty much equivalent.  I've never said that anyone should use any given command.

It is, however, important to understand the commands you are using.  That's all this was about.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer.

        ~ Mark Twain


Re: strange behaviour on google doc with nvda

farhan israk
 

Thank you.


On Fri, 17 Dec 2021, 8:10 pm Dave Grossoehme, <dave@...> wrote:

It sounds like this counter is starting at 0.  In which case this would be correct.  If you ask for the first paragraph the counter is at 0.  If you ask for the second paragraph the counter is at 1.  If you ask for the 3rd paragraph the counter is at 2, in which case you would be reading the 2nd paragraph instead of the 3rd paragraph.  Has anyone looked at the paragraph counter for the nvda counter for the program or application you are reading from?  I have seen this happen in older computer coding such as the c language.

Dave


On 12/11/2021 11:20 AM, farhan israk wrote:

I use windows 10 21h2, nvda 2021.3 and google chrome latest. I use google doc. Sometimes, I notice strange behavior. If I try to read a paragraph, sometimes nvda does not change focus as it is expected. For example, I want to read the third paragraph. if I navigate paragraph by paragraph, nvda reads the second paragraph instead of the third paragraph. The performance of my computer is smooth. it does not hang. I even checked the changing window that time. it changes immediately. Sometimes, if I delete a character, nvda does not announce the deleted character. actually sometimes it announces and sometimes it does not announce anything during deleting characters. How can I fix them? Both screen reader and braille support are enabled. I do not have any brail device.


Re: Pontes media downloader issues, need help please

 

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 10:56 AM, Gene wrote:
Its an interesting subject which browser is superior. 
-
And is almost entirely subjective, as one's man's meat is another man's poison.  That's why I hate, "What's best?," type questions because without a definition of what the asker considers "best" qualities, it's meaningless.

You're correct that discussing features one wants, and differences between software in a given class (web browsers, in this case), is the way to go.  There's a reason I put this rule in the main group rules:

5.  Please avoid, “What is the best . . .?,” topics, because what qualifies as “best” is entirely subjective.   Topics of this sort are also always chat topics.  If you know you have specific needs then asking, “What {insert program type here} has the following features . . .,” is much more descriptive.   If you want to know what programs people like for a specific task, asking, “What’s your favorite . . . and why?,” is far more likely to get you the details you want to have.  Notice that none of the above questions ask about whether a program is accessible with NVDA.  If you’re asking something like, “Which {insert program class here} is accessible with NVDA?,” then it’s a main group topic.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer.

        ~ Mark Twain


Re: Pontes media downloader issues, need help please

 

Well looking at yt-dl on github it also has the ffmpeg builds.

Now for those having an issue I do wander what would happen if you backed up youtubedownloader.exe, named yt-dl.exe youtubedownloader.exe and tried to get the vid with that?

Have you contacted pontes on this.

If no one has I will try to do so and see if they can update their program.

On 17/12/2021 5:02 pm, arqam mehmood wrote:
Hi all.
Pontes media downloader uses youtube-dl for downloading of videos. and
youtube-dl is outdated now.
That's why downloading speed is very slow.
now, another tool yt-dlp is working as same. if developers of pontes
could update pontes media downloader with yt-dlp, problem can be
solved.
but I couldn't understand your error. can you explain the error to me again?
Regards, Arqam Mehmood.

On 12/16/21, Dennis Clark <dennis@...> wrote:
Hello Dan,

It seems that Pontes Media downloader is now being blocked by youtube.
At first it appeared to be in just a few geographic regions, but it is
now pretty universal. I just posted a method for downloading mp3 or mp4
files from youtube, and it works well. Let me know if I can help.

Best,

Dennis


On 12/16/2021 5:24 AM, Dan Thompson wrote:
Greetings, Media pontest media downloader is not converting my files
from youtube or putting them in the folder designated.  Is anyone else
having that problem.  I have uninstalled version two and reinstalled
it a few times. Then I tried version 3.0 and neither one is working.
Does anyone have ideas how to get it working again or another
accessible conversion program?  Thanks in advance and Merry Christmas
to all.






.


Re: application to download videos from youtube

Gene
 

What you wrote stated that you teach alt d.  I don’t know if you teach f6 to do this as well but you strongly implied not.
 
You said in part:
It's the one I teach when someone needs to get to the address bar either to copy the current address, or to enter a new one.  The fact that ALT + D not only throws focus there, but also selects the content, makes it perfect for either task.  As I said, alt d doesn’t select anything, it just moves youthere.
 
I wanted to explain why I use f6 so others may consider which they prefer when they are in a document and want to get to the address bar to copy the address.  I don’t use f6 to get to the address bar to manually type a new address.  .
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [chat] application to download videos from youtube
 
On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 11:56 AM, Gene wrote:
I think this is a matter of preference.
-
Did I state otherwise?  I don't think so.

There is no right or wrong way to accomplish a task if it works.  One or another may be more or less efficient, or pretty much equivalent.  I've never said that anyone should use any given command.

It is, however, important to understand the commands you are using.  That's all this was about.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer.

        ~ Mark Twain


Re: application to download videos from youtube

 

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 11:56 AM, Gene wrote:
I think this is a matter of preference.
-
Did I state otherwise?  I don't think so.

There is no right or wrong way to accomplish a task if it works.  One or another may be more or less efficient, or pretty much equivalent.  I've never said that anyone should use any given command.

It is, however, important to understand the commands you are using.  That's all this was about.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer.

        ~ Mark Twain


Re: application to download videos from youtube

Gene
 

The content is already selected.  It doesn’t matterif you use alt d or f6.  I think this is a matter of preference.  I use f6 because of what I’ll call consistency of using the same command.  In most browsers I’ve used, pressing f6 once takes me to the address bar.  When I want to return to the document, shift f6 may be used.  If I use just f6, I may move through one or two other structures, depending on what is opened, such as history or book marks but then I return to the main window.  I prefer using f6 to move to the address bar and something like shift f6 or repeating f6 again.  As I said, I like the consistency of the command.  Alt d to move to the address bar, then shift f6 to return to the document are two different commands.  I ;prefer using a one hand command.  As I said, this is a matter of preference.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [chat] application to download videos from youtube
 
And since it's absolutely apropos here, I'm quoting a post I just made on "that other media downloader topic:"

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 10:41 AM, Richard Wells wrote:
I have found that ALT+D will always focus the address bar with the content of the address bar selected. So far, I have not found a browser that does not support this way of doing it and it always takes focus straight to the address bar.
-
Until and unless one of the major or minor but well-known web browser developers change it, this command is, to my knowledge, observation, and direct experience universal.

It's the one I teach when someone needs to get to the address bar either to copy the current address, or to enter a new one.  The fact that ALT + D not only throws focus there, but also selects the content, makes it perfect for either task.  You can instantly hit CTRL + C to copy what's there, or start typing something else and what was there will be stricken with the first character entered.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer.

        ~ Mark Twain


Re: Punctuation

 

Just tossing out that you can also use configuration profiles based on the app you're using, that trigger automatically when that app has focus.

You'd still do what Gene has instructed, but if you want to limit these changes based upon what program/app you happen to be using NVDA to access at any given time, you may also want to set up separate application-specific configuration profiles.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer.

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Re: application to download videos from youtube

 

And since it's absolutely apropos here, I'm quoting a post I just made on "that other media downloader topic:"


On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 10:41 AM, Richard Wells wrote:
I have found that ALT+D will always focus the address bar with the content of the address bar selected. So far, I have not found a browser that does not support this way of doing it and it always takes focus straight to the address bar.
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Until and unless one of the major or minor but well-known web browser developers change it, this command is, to my knowledge, observation, and direct experience universal.

It's the one I teach when someone needs to get to the address bar either to copy the current address, or to enter a new one.  The fact that ALT + D not only throws focus there, but also selects the content, makes it perfect for either task.  You can instantly hit CTRL + C to copy what's there, or start typing something else and what was there will be stricken with the first character entered.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer.

        ~ Mark Twain


Re: application to download videos from youtube

 

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 07:50 AM, Gene wrote:
It is important to know about the f6 command.  It is not specific to any browser and it is actually a Windows command.  Many windows are divided into sections, called panes.  A window might have a tool bar in a pane and the main window is in another pane.  Pressing f6 moves you from pane to pane.
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Agreed.  But I want to emphasize something you've already said:  This is a Windows Command, and it's the "jump to next pane, or screen element/area," command.  You eventually circle back to wherever you started when you first hit F6.  From the Microsoft help page entitled, Use a screen reader to explore and navigate File Explorer in Windows, and it's talked about many other places, too:
Cycle through the main screen elements

Press F6 (forward) or Shift+F6 (backward) to cycle through the main elements of File Explorer in the following order:

  • The content pane taking up most of the screen

  • The sorting buttons for the content pane (if the content pane is in the Details view mode)

  • The status bar at the bottom of the screen, containing buttons for changing the view mode

  • The toolbar at the top of the screen, containing navigation buttons and the Search box

  • The navigation pane on the left side of the screen

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer.

        ~ Mark Twain