I love this add-on.  Really makes working with web forums so much easier.

https://addons.nvda-project.org › browsernav.en.html


I think I can use one of the features to make YouTube easier as well.


• J or Shift+J: Jump to next or previous browser mark. Browser marks are keywords that you search on web pages often and can be configured in Browser settings.


It is just an edit box that says ""Browser marks regexp  edit selected (^upvote$|^up vote$)"".  Don't understand this at all. Searched for  regexp but didn't understand anything I found. Don't get regular expression. Not a programmer.


Just want to easily find parts of YouTube that sometimes seem to go missing like comments or the player controls. Was going to try searching for the word next. upvote$|^up vote$)"next


Thanks.


Bob

I haven't used the add-on but I don't know if it will work in many such cases.  The reason things seem to be missing is the world's accommodation to mobile devices, regardless of the annoyance and inconvenience that may cause those using computers. Web pages used to display all their content.  Now, a lot of web pages change what is displayed as you move through the page. Something like comments as a link won't be displayed until you have moved down the page to a certain point.  Less is shown to accommodate the smallness of the displays on mobile devices.


This add-on may not be able to see what isn't displayed and in terms of solving the problem, you may have to find something to set to be moved to first that allows something like the comments link to be displayed, then move to that link using the add-on again or in another way such as using find.


Gene

On 3/17/2022 11:26 AM, Robert Logue wrote:

I love this add-on.  Really makes working with web forums so much easier.

https://addons.nvda-project.org › browsernav.en.html


I think I can use one of the features to make YouTube easier as well.


• J or Shift+J: Jump to next or previous browser mark. Browser marks are keywords that you search on web pages often and can be configured in Browser settings.


It is just an edit box that says ""Browser marks regexp  edit selected (^upvote$|^up vote$)"".  Don't understand this at all. Searched for  regexp but didn't understand anything I found. Don't get regular expression. Not a programmer.


Just want to easily find parts of YouTube that sometimes seem to go missing like comments or the player controls. Was going to try searching for the word next. upvote$|^up vote$)"next


Thanks.


Bob

Well, what's being shown is two regular expressions that are in an edit box that are being used (and are up for edit) as browser marks.  Those two regular expressions amount, in English, to saying the word "upvote" alone or the two words, "up vote," located all on a single line with nothing else.

I don't use this add-on, so can't comment further.  Either regex or regexp are commonly used shorthand for regular expression.  Discussion of regular expression syntax is way beyond what I would do here, and there exist a ton of references out there on the topic.  It is not easy for the non-programmer to understand in great detail (nor for some programmers, for that matter) but many of the most commonly used conventions can be grasped reasonably easily.  In the examples you gave the circumflex (^) designates that what follows must be anchored at the start of a line and the dollar sign that what precedes it must be just ahead of the end of a line.  Hence the English description I gave, that either "upvote" or "up vote" is on a line of its own without anything else.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer.

        ~ Mark Twain

Hey Gene.  Took me a while to see your reply.


Do you use YouTube in a web browser?  I understand what yew said.  Web pages are more dynamic now and content may not be shown till we move to the right place.


  Just wonder if you have seen this behavior yourself.  Anyone else chime in here.



I discovered YouTube sometimes continues to show the main list of suggested programs on my main page, after I press enter on of of them to start playing it.  The player page and comments are not shown.  I found I just needed to activate the link again to bring up the player.


As for using regular expressions in Browser: I still don't have a clue.  Reading about it gave me a headache.


Oh well...








Bob


On 2022-03-17 10:42 a.m., Gene wrote:

I haven't used the add-on but I don't know if it will work in many such cases.  The reason things seem to be missing is the world's accommodation to mobile devices, regardless of the annoyance and inconvenience that may cause those using computers. Web pages used to display all their content.  Now, a lot of web pages change what is displayed as you move through the page. Something like comments as a link won't be displayed until you have moved down the page to a certain point.  Less is shown to accommodate the smallness of the displays on mobile devices.


This add-on may not be able to see what isn't displayed and in terms of solving the problem, you may have to find something to set to be moved to first that allows something like the comments link to be displayed, then move to that link using the add-on again or in another way such as using find.


Gene

On 3/17/2022 11:26 AM, Robert Logue wrote:

I love this add-on.  Really makes working with web forums so much easier.

https://addons.nvda-project.org › browsernav.en.html


I think I can use one of the features to make YouTube easier as well.


• J or Shift+J: Jump to next or previous browser mark. Browser marks are keywords that you search on web pages often and can be configured in Browser settings.


It is just an edit box that says ""Browser marks regexp  edit selected (^upvote$|^up vote$)"".  Don't understand this at all. Searched for  regexp but didn't understand anything I found. Don't get regular expression. Not a programmer.


Just want to easily find parts of YouTube that sometimes seem to go missing like comments or the player controls. Was going to try searching for the word next. upvote$|^up vote$)"next


Thanks.


Bob

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That's how I became aware of the behavior, seeing it on various pages. Youtube is one such site.  I don't know what happens on the home page, but on a page with a video, I can't search from the top of the page for comments by searching for the word.  I have to move down the page enough so comments are displayed.  A search will find them then, but I'm not sure how close I am at that point.  I just move quickly down the page often to find them but I think I sometimes search when I'm partway down the page.  I don't look for comments enough to remember just what I've done.

Gene

On 4/12/2022 7:16 PM, Robert Logue wrote:

Hey Gene. Took me a while to see your reply.


Do you use YouTube in a web browser?  I understand what yew said. Web pages are more dynamic now and content may not be shown till we move to the right place.


  Just wonder if you have seen this behavior yourself.  Anyone else chime in here.



I discovered YouTube sometimes continues to show the main list of suggested programs on my main page, after I press enter on of of them to start playing it.  The player page and comments are not shown.  I found I just needed to activate the link again to bring up the player.


As for using regular expressions in Browser: I still don't have a clue.  Reading about it gave me a headache.


Oh well...








Bob


On 2022-03-17 10:42 a.m., Gene wrote:

I haven't used the add-on but I don't know if it will work in many such cases.  The reason things seem to be missing is the world's accommodation to mobile devices, regardless of the annoyance and inconvenience that may cause those using computers. Web pages used to display all their content.  Now, a lot of web pages change what is displayed as you move through the page. Something like comments as a link won't be displayed until you have moved down the page to a certain point.  Less is shown to accommodate the smallness of the displays on mobile devices.


This add-on may not be able to see what isn't displayed and in terms of solving the problem, you may have to find something to set to be moved to first that allows something like the comments link to be displayed, then move to that link using the add-on again or in another way such as using find.


Gene

On 3/17/2022 11:26 AM, Robert Logue wrote:

I love this add-on.  Really makes working with web forums so much easier.

https://addons.nvda-project.org › browsernav.en.html


I think I can use one of the features to make YouTube easier as well.


• J or Shift+J: Jump to next or previous browser mark. Browser marks are keywords that you search on web pages often and can be configured in Browser settings.


It is just an edit box that says ""Browser marks regexp edit selected (^upvote$|^up vote$)"".  Don't understand this at all. Searched for  regexp but didn't understand anything I found. Don't get regular expression. Not a programmer.


Just want to easily find parts of YouTube that sometimes seem to go missing like comments or the player controls. Was going to try searching for the word next. upvote$|^up vote$)"next


Thanks.


Bob

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Browser-Nav is not supported in the latest versions of NVDA.  I came to depend on it when reading various web forums and poorly formatted tables.


I wrote to the developer.  He does not have a update timeline.


I put off updating NVDA because the plugin won't work.  I did update one machine and already miss Browser-Nav.



Thanks.


Bob


On 2022-04-12 7:28 p.m., Gene wrote:

That's how I became aware of the behavior, seeing it on various pages. Youtube is one such site.  I don't know what happens on the home page, but on a page with a video, I can't search from the top of the page for comments by searching for the word.  I have to move down the page enough so comments are displayed.  A search will find them then, but I'm not sure how close I am at that point.  I just move quickly down the page often to find them but I think I sometimes search when I'm partway down the page.  I don't look for comments enough to remember just what I've done.

Gene

On 4/12/2022 7:16 PM, Robert Logue wrote:

Hey Gene. Took me a while to see your reply.


Do you use YouTube in a web browser?  I understand what yew said. Web pages are more dynamic now and content may not be shown till we move to the right place.


  Just wonder if you have seen this behavior yourself.  Anyone else chime in here.



I discovered YouTube sometimes continues to show the main list of suggested programs on my main page, after I press enter on of of them to start playing it.  The player page and comments are not shown.  I found I just needed to activate the link again to bring up the player.


As for using regular expressions in Browser: I still don't have a clue.  Reading about it gave me a headache.


Oh well...








Bob


On 2022-03-17 10:42 a.m., Gene wrote:

I haven't used the add-on but I don't know if it will work in many such cases.  The reason things seem to be missing is the world's accommodation to mobile devices, regardless of the annoyance and inconvenience that may cause those using computers. Web pages used to display all their content.  Now, a lot of web pages change what is displayed as you move through the page. Something like comments as a link won't be displayed until you have moved down the page to a certain point.  Less is shown to accommodate the smallness of the displays on mobile devices.


This add-on may not be able to see what isn't displayed and in terms of solving the problem, you may have to find something to set to be moved to first that allows something like the comments link to be displayed, then move to that link using the add-on again or in another way such as using find.


Gene

On 3/17/2022 11:26 AM, Robert Logue wrote:

I love this add-on.  Really makes working with web forums so much easier.

https://addons.nvda-project.org › browsernav.en.html


I think I can use one of the features to make YouTube easier as well.


• J or Shift+J: Jump to next or previous browser mark. Browser marks are keywords that you search on web pages often and can be configured in Browser settings.


It is just an edit box that says ""Browser marks regexp edit selected (^upvote$|^up vote$)"".  Don't understand this at all. Searched for  regexp but didn't understand anything I found. Don't get regular expression. Not a programmer.


Just want to easily find parts of YouTube that sometimes seem to go missing like comments or the player controls. Was going to try searching for the word next. upvote$|^up vote$)"next


Thanks.


Bob

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On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 12:23 PM, Gene wrote:

You can use a portable version of NVDA that supports browser nav where you want to use it. 

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Gene,

For the love of heaven, please read through what's been posted before posting.

Your recommendation about using a portable version of NVDA for older add-ons that truly are no longer supported is an excellent one, and one I've acknowledged multiple times in the past.

But, it's not relevant here, as the assertion that BrowserNav does not exist in a version that's compatible with current NVDA is wrong.  I already posted about that with direct links to the current version of the add-on.

Anything that intimates that BrowserNav does not have a functioning version in NVDA 2022.x simply subtly drags out an incorrect assertion (which I know you didn't make, but it still makes it appear that action is necessary that is not.  Get the latest version of the add-on if you are using NVDA 2022.x).
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

   ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

I have been checking mail often today and I didn't expect other answers
to be already posted. I will read all mail in future even if I have
been looking often. But you really could have discussed this with me in
a more civil manner.

Gene

On 9/24/2022 11:35 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 12:23 PM, Gene wrote:

You can use a portable version of NVDA that supports browser nav
where you want to use it.

-
Gene,

For the love of heaven, please read through what's been posted before
posting.

Your recommendation about using a portable version of NVDA for older
add-ons that truly are no longer supported is an excellent one, and
one I've acknowledged multiple times in the past.

But, it's not relevant here, as the assertion that BrowserNav does not
exist in a version that's compatible with current NVDA is wrong. I
already posted about that with direct links to the current version of
the add-on.

Anything that intimates that BrowserNav does not have a functioning
version in NVDA 2022.x simply subtly drags out an incorrect assertion
(which I know you didn't make, but it still makes it appear that
action is necessary that is not. Get the latest version of the add-on
if you are using NVDA 2022.x).
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*/Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance
and conscientious stupidity./*

~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

Sometimes, and I know we have had this discussion here before, one finds email deliveries not exactly playing fair. IE sometimes you will scan the thread, see the replies and make yours, then about 15 minutes later, go back after a new mail indication and often several responses have come in and been placed ahead of what you posted.
I'm not going to blame specific ISPs here, but it does seem to be getting worst. Worse still is that a look at Imap and pop 3 can show discrepancies too, even though, Gmail excepted,  they should not interact unless they are synchronised.
Gmail has a completely different way of working which defies logic. ahem.
Brian

That is a problem with your specific provider. I almost never have messages arrive out of order with GMail and I've been using it for perhaps one-and-a-half years or perhaps two or more. Also, my previous e-mail provider didn't have this problem.

If you want not to have the problem I suggest using GMail for list mail or some other free provider.

I have no idea what you are talking about regarding GMail. If it was not satisfactory, I wouldn't use it.

Gene

On 9/26/2022 3:17 AM, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:

Sometimes, and I know we have had this discussion here before, one finds email deliveries not exactly playing fair. IE sometimes you will scan the thread, see the replies and make yours, then about 15 minutes later, go back after a new mail indication and often several responses have come in and been placed ahead of what you posted.
I'm not going to blame specific ISPs here, but it does seem to be getting worst. Worse still is that a look at Imap and pop 3 can show discrepancies too, even though, Gmail excepted, they should not interact unless they are synchronised.
Gmail has a completely different way of working which defies logic. ahem.
Brian

I almost never have messages arrive out of order with GMail and I've been
using it for perhaps one-and-a-half years or perhaps two or more. Also,
my previous e-mail provider didn't have this problem.

Well, Gmail sends your own mail back to you, nobody else does that. It also with all synchronisation off,  will deliver to imap on the phone, but then move the mail to allmail if you download pop3 on another machine, none of my other isps does that either. Its a view, certainly, but logical it certainly is not at least to me.
This is why I have moved my mailing lists mostly to a virgin platform that works as I expect it to unless I tell it otherwise, but then we will probably agree to differ, since what you are used to depends on what you have used before, so to speak.
Brian

You can use a portable version of NVDA that supports browser nav where you want to use it.  Often, updates in NVDA don't have any or much effect on using a lot of programs.  I can use a portable version of NVDA that is versions old and it has no bearing on the programs I use.

Others who use other programs than I do would want to use the current version with certain programs but there is no reason to lose the use of add-ons you want to use since the older NVDA version that supports them will likely work just as well with a lot of the programs you use.

To quickly switch versions, create desktop short cuts for the portable version or versions you want to use.  Give the short cuts short cut commands.

Then, to be sure you are in a place where the short cut commands will run, go to the desktop, exit NVDA, then issue the go to desktop command again, then issue the shortcut command for the version you want to run.

I'm not sure you have to do all that, but doing it will mean things work as expected.

Gene

On 9/24/2022 10:24 AM, Robert Logue wrote:

Browser-Nav is not supported in the latest versions of NVDA.  I came to depend on it when reading various web forums and poorly formatted tables.


I wrote to the developer.  He does not have a update timeline.


I put off updating NVDA because the plugin won't work.  I did update one machine and already miss Browser-Nav.



Thanks.


Bob


On 2022-04-12 7:28 p.m., Gene wrote:

That's how I became aware of the behavior, seeing it on various pages. Youtube is one such site.  I don't know what happens on the home page, but on a page with a video, I can't search from the top of the page for comments by searching for the word.  I have to move down the page enough so comments are displayed.  A search will find them then, but I'm not sure how close I am at that point.  I just move quickly down the page often to find them but I think I sometimes search when I'm partway down the page.  I don't look for comments enough to remember just what I've done.

Gene

On 4/12/2022 7:16 PM, Robert Logue wrote:

Hey Gene. Took me a while to see your reply.


Do you use YouTube in a web browser?  I understand what yew said. Web pages are more dynamic now and content may not be shown till we move to the right place.


  Just wonder if you have seen this behavior yourself. Anyone else chime in here.



I discovered YouTube sometimes continues to show the main list of suggested programs on my main page, after I press enter on of of them to start playing it.  The player page and comments are not shown.  I found I just needed to activate the link again to bring up the player.


As for using regular expressions in Browser: I still don't have a clue.  Reading about it gave me a headache.


Oh well...








Bob


On 2022-03-17 10:42 a.m., Gene wrote:

I haven't used the add-on but I don't know if it will work in many such cases.  The reason things seem to be missing is the world's accommodation to mobile devices, regardless of the annoyance and inconvenience that may cause those using computers. Web pages used to display all their content.  Now, a lot of web pages change what is displayed as you move through the page. Something like comments as a link won't be displayed until you have moved down the page to a certain point. Less is shown to accommodate the smallness of the displays on mobile devices.


This add-on may not be able to see what isn't displayed and in terms of solving the problem, you may have to find something to set to be moved to first that allows something like the comments link to be displayed, then move to that link using the add-on again or in another way such as using find.


Gene

On 3/17/2022 11:26 AM, Robert Logue wrote:

I love this add-on.  Really makes working with web forums so much easier.

https://addons.nvda-project.org › browsernav.en.html


I think I can use one of the features to make YouTube easier as well.


• J or Shift+J: Jump to next or previous browser mark. Browser marks are keywords that you search on web pages often and can be configured in Browser settings.


It is just an edit box that says ""Browser marks regexp edit selected (^upvote$|^up vote$)"".  Don't understand this at all. Searched for  regexp but didn't understand anything I found. Don't get regular expression. Not a programmer.


Just want to easily find parts of YouTube that sometimes seem to go missing like comments or the player controls. Was going to try searching for the word next. upvote$|^up vote$)"next


Thanks.


Bob

.

.

On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 12:23 PM, Gene wrote:

You can use a portable version of NVDA that supports browser nav where you want to use it. 

-
Gene,

For the love of heaven, please read through what's been posted before posting.

Your recommendation about using a portable version of NVDA for older add-ons that truly are no longer supported is an excellent one, and one I've acknowledged multiple times in the past.

But, it's not relevant here, as the assertion that BrowserNav does not exist in a version that's compatible with current NVDA is wrong.  I already posted about that with direct links to the current version of the add-on.

Anything that intimates that BrowserNav does not have a functioning version in NVDA 2022.x simply subtly drags out an incorrect assertion (which I know you didn't make, but it still makes it appear that action is necessary that is not.  Get the latest version of the add-on if you are using NVDA 2022.x).
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

   ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.