can't get t-bird to reply to an individual, rather than a listserv
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Mary Otten
Hi all,
Using latest NVDA public release and latest t-bird with the add on enhancements, I have never been able to get the reply to all function to offer me any more than the listserv address. Thus, if somebody sends a message to a list, and I wish to reply privately to that individual, I expect reply all to give me 2 addresses, and then I would delete the list address. I've also tried just reply, but of course, that goes to the list as well. This is on multiple groups.io lists. Any ideas? Probably something simple I'm overlooking. mary |
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Gene
Since you are using Groups.io, if you are using the installed
version, in an opened message, from the top type s. That is the
NVDA command to move by separator.
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Below the separator, if you move by link or just down arrow, you will find a link that says reply to sender. Press enter and a message will come up with the sender's address as well as a subject that says private and the subject of the thread. However, you may not always be using Groups.io lists and here is how you can reply to the sender on any list that makes the sender's address available. Be on the message in the list. Use the command control u to open what Thunderbird calls source of the message. You are in browse mode. Search from the top, as you would on a web page for the word from: note the colon at the end of from. You may have to repeat the search perhaps once, but you will see a line that says from: then gives the username and address. Copy the username and address to the clipboard, close the source with alt f4 and begin a new message. Paste the information into the to line and proceed as always. Gene On 6/13/2022 10:03 AM, Mary Otten
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Mary,
The one and only address you will ever get using a Reply to a groups.io message (unless a group owner changes it, and I have yet to see this happen) is to the group. That's by design. If you wish to reply to the sender of an individual message then you activate the Reply to Sender link that comes with each individual message in the footer area after the message body. It is a mailto link to the originator of that message and should make your e-mail client (or webmail, if configured to allow it) open up with a message addressed to the sender of the message and the subject line pre-populated with "Private: " followed by the topic title. You can, of course, change this subject line. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is untrue. . . ~Bertrand Russell |
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Mary Otten
Thanks to both of you for the help.
Mary
On 6/13/2022 8:16 AM, Brian Vogel
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Mary Otten
Hi Brian,
Subsequent to seeing yours and Gene's messages, I tried to do what you both suggested, find the reply to sender link. There isn't one in the particular msg that I was wanting to respond to. I've looked at other groups.io messages, and sure enough, it is there. But this one doesn't have that. Does groups.io allow things to be set up such that this link will not appear? It seems they must; otherwise, how to explain the absence of this link?
Mary
On 6/13/2022 8:16 AM, Brian Vogel
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Mary,
I have seen this absence before, and have never been able to explain it. There might be some setting an individual can make in their profile that forces its omission, or it could be a glitch. I really can't say more than that. My guess, though, is that if someone sets their profile such that they do not appear in the public members list (public to other group members) then it's likely there's no Reply to Sender link generated. I've also occasionally seen messages show up in plain text rather than HTML format, and can't explain that one, either. Every group has a Directory link on its topics/archive page. And on that page is a search box to let you limit who's shown. If the member is "public" to other members, there will be an Email link/button (it's really a link, but looks like a button) for them. All I can suggest is checking your inbox to see if there exists a message from the person you wish to correspond with that has a Reply to Sender link in it, or go to the Directory from the Group Archive page and see if their email option shows there. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is untrue. . . ~Bertrand Russell |
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Gene
Even if it isn't there, unless the list doesn't show the sender to
the user, my method will work.
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Gene On 6/13/2022 10:31 AM, Mary Otten
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Mary Otten
Well, the method didn't work, sadly. When I am in tyhe opened message and press s, there are no separators found in this message, whereas, for instance, there are in the messages from this group.
Mary
On 6/13/2022 8:49 AM, Gene wrote:
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Mary Otten
It appears that the particular group I'm having an issue with doesn't put those sender links in any messages at all. I just sent one to that group. I have never done any configuring of anything on groups.io, so I know it isn't something I did, and the message I sent does not have those links either. When I opened my own message and pressed "s" for separator, I got 0. So its something with the list set up, I would guess.
Mary
On 6/13/2022 8:42 AM, Brian Vogel
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Mary,
If this happens to be a private group, often group owners "tighten down" settings on some of those such that no "off-list" exchanges are easily possible. If you know those are not forbidden on the group in question, I would just post a message, with your own e-mail address included, with a subject line along the lines of, "Trying to reach {Person's Name Here} Privately." If they're interested, they know how to reach you. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is untrue. . . ~Bertrand Russell |
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Gene
I mean the second method I described. I didn't clearly state that I
meant the second one.
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Gene On 6/13/2022 10:57 AM, Mary Otten
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Gene
Does my second method work? I believe some lists keep the sender
from being shown anywhere.
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Gene On 6/13/2022 10:49 AM, Gene wrote:
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Mary Otten
Gene,
Yes, your second method did work. Thanks!
Mary
On 6/13/2022 9:24 AM, Gene wrote:
Does my second method work? I believe some lists keep the sender from being shown anywhere. |
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Luke Davis
Mary Otten wrote:
It appears that the particular group I'm having an issue with doesn't put those sender links in any messages at all. I just sent one to that group. I haveIt may be that they have it set to strip HTML attachments. Anyway, Mary, here's a suggestion for you. If you have a message from the person you want to reply to, forward that message to yourself. When you receive the forwarded message, somewhere in the body will be either a From: field containing the original sender's address, or a "sent on behalf of" line that should contain it. Regardless of how your email program structures forwarded messages, the original sender's address will be somewhere in the block of header text. Now, there's a chance it will be some nonsense with an "@groups.io" address, for people who mask their addresses, in which case this won't work, but most of the time that isn't the case. Luke |
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Luke Davis
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Mary,I have seen this absence before, and have never been able to explain it.Brian, I thought I had explained this to you before, but maybe not. If a message comes into groups.io as text/plane instead of text/html, groups.io sends it out that way. It does not manufacture an HTML version of the message. When it does, it appends a footer template. That template contains all of the links and other data needed for the particular list. The footer template for text only messages does not contain the code for a reply to sender link. The template for the HTML footer does contain that code, and therefore does get that link. As such, messages that come through as text only (mine, for example), shouldn't be expected to have a Reply-To-Sender link. To Mary's point: there will be no separators (s command in browse mode) in text-only messages. Luke |
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Brian's Mail list account
That seems a lot of work when in OE you seem to just find it will work from the address in the footer or similar.
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Some lists actually reveal the senders address in the header, so then it should work. Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <chat@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2022 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [chat] can't get t-bird to reply to an individual, rather than a listserv Since you are using Groups.io, if you are using the installed version, |
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In some clients, like Outlook Express there is a setting like reply to this message in the form it was sent, or reply to all messages in plain text. I tend to use the latter myself generally, and I'd assume this setting or something like it is in most email clients. You don't really want to be sending html all the time as in my experience you end up more than doubling the size of any message that way.
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Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> To: <chat@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2022 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [chat] can't get t-bird to reply to an individual, rather than a listserv Mary, I have seen this absence before, and have never been able to explain it. There might be some setting an individual can make in their profile that forces its omission, or it could be a glitch. I really can't say more than that. My guess, though, is that if someone sets their profile such that they do not appear in the public members list (public to other group members) then it's likely there's no Reply to Sender link generated. I've also occasionally seen messages show up in plain text rather than HTML format, and can't explain that one, either. Every group has a Directory link on its topics/archive page. And on that page is a search box to let you limit who's shown. If the member is "public" to other members, there will be an Email link/button (it's really a link, but looks like a button) for them. All I can suggest is checking your inbox to see if there exists a message from the person you wish to correspond with that has a Reply to Sender link in it, or go to the Directory from the Group Archive page and see if their email option shows there. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 *The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .* ~Bertrand Russell |
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