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1 - 10 of 10
Google Docs Tutorials?
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David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...>
Hello NVDA Chat,
I am interested to know if there is a particular tutorial for using Google Docs as a totally blind person, using NVDA, that you may like? I find the material from The American Foundation for the Blind instructive, but a little weak on how to collaborate with others. There too are a couple YouTube videos that are similar in my overall experience. The issue seems to be in my commenting on comments made by another. Thanks in advance. -- David C. Russell, Author david.sonofhashem@... |
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For myself, I can't and won't speak to how much someone else may or may not like what I do as far as tutorials go. But I can absolutely say that Google itself produces tutorials on using all its products with screen readers, and in depth with regard to specific features.
A web search on (no square brackes, I'm using those to enclose): ["Google Docs" comment "screen reader"] turns up this Google produced tutorial as the very first result, Collaborate & comment with a screen reader - Google Docs Editors He, and there are many more returned as well.What one person loves another may not care for much. But members here, all of them, need to get into the habit of web searching on what it is they wish to do with the phrase "screen reader" used as a search term. In well above 90% of cases the first 5 to 10 returned results are tutorials on how to do whatever it is with a screen reader. And these days many of them are not screen reader specific because it's presumed the screen reader user already knows their screen reader, but about interacting with the product no matter which one you might use. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. |
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Brian's Mail list account
I think some tend to be videos though. I do sometimes find that even written ones can use pictures, and also ambiguous language. I think we all learn differently. To me there is nothing like a one on one session with somebody who already knows, but these will be rare these days, as there is a big ocean,and not many people fishing near you.
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From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> To: <chat@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2022 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [chat] Google Docs Tutorials? For myself, I can't and won't speak to how much someone else may or may not like what I do as far as tutorials go. But I can absolutely say that Google itself produces tutorials on using all its products with screen readers, and in depth with regard to specific features. A web search on (no square brackes, I'm using those to enclose): ["Google Docs" comment "screen reader"] turns up this Google produced tutorial as the very first result, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Collaborate & comment with a screen reader - Google Docs Editors He ( https://support.google.com/docs/answer/6239410?hl=en ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- , and there are many more returned as well. What one person loves another may not care for much. But members here, all of them, need to get into the habit of web searching on what it is they wish to do with the phrase "screen reader" used as a search term. In well above 90% of cases the first 5 to 10 returned results are tutorials on how to do whatever it is with a screen reader. And these days many of them are not screen reader specific because it's presumed the screen reader user already knows their screen reader, but about interacting with the product no matter which one you might use. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 *Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.* ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. |
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On Thu, Aug 4, 2022 at 03:30 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I think some tend to be videos though.- Almost none if one is seeking tutorials with "screen reader" as part of the search terms. Videos, as in real videos, not audio tutorials recorded and presented via YouTube, which is common, are very rare indeed for screen reader focused material. The people who write tutorials know who their target demographic is. A video (real video) tutorial for the blind would be akin to an auditory tutorial for the deaf - it just makes no sense and no one does it. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. |
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David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...>
Hello Brian and others,
Hurray! I found the Google Support link you referenced after posting this topic on Tuesday, U.S. time. It was new and more thorough than what had been viewed by me some months ago; thanks again. Yes, one-on-one is the best option, and I hope to in part experience that with GDocs in collaborating with a couple others on a forthcoming project. I will say this though about online documentation from experience: Not every approach works as depicted in addressing a specific how to topic. Off record, or beside it, the recent newsletter from the Saturday Evening Post has an essay by someone singing the praises of the old typewriter, its benefit contrasted with 21st century technology. However, the author owns up to accepting and using 21st technology despite its foibles. Best, -- David C. Russell, Author david.sonofhashem@... |
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Brian's Mail list account
Is it me though? I read these sort of tutorials and help files and find quite often the help almost, but not quite describes what I'm trying to actually do. I've always noticed this sort of thing. I think a lot of it stems from the over familiarity of the person writing it, assuming things about the readers conceptual view of the software which is not universal.
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From: "David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@...> To: <chat@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2022 4:28 PM Subject: [chat] RE Google Docs Tutorials? Hello Brian and others, |
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Nimer Jaber
Hello, I recorded this tutorial for Google Docs... it's about the audio, not visuals. But it can be found at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3g9TwZRLYc Thanks. On Thu, Aug 4, 2022 at 7:58 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote: On Thu, Aug 4, 2022 at 03:30 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote: --
Best, Nimer Jaber Check out and subscribe to BlindTechAdventures in podcast audio form on YouTube for the latest happenings in tech. Thank you, and have a great day! |
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Nimer Jaber
Hello Brian, Help tutorials are often written for the average individual who already has some basic computing concepts under their belt, and is looking to do common tasks or accomplish some common user journeys. Most tutorials I see from companies do just that. They don't go too in depth, but they don't assume that you have a high degree of knowledge, either. This is why anyone in the community, including you, can create tutorials. If you feel that something is missing from tutorials you read or watch, once you learn how to accomplish something, why not put it out there for others who come along and have the same inquiry. On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 12:57 AM Brian's Mail list account via groups.io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote: Is it me though? I read these sort of tutorials and help files and find --
Best, Nimer Jaber Check out and subscribe to BlindTechAdventures in podcast audio form on YouTube for the latest happenings in tech. Thank you, and have a great day! |
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On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 05:36 AM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
Help tutorials are often written for the average individual who already has some basic computing concepts under their belt, and is looking to do common tasks or accomplish some common user journeys. Most tutorials I see from companies do just that.- Same here. And any given tutorial cannot and will not be "all things to all people." That's why I resist even recommending ones I like because the reasons I like them can very often be the same reason that others dislike them through hate them. In addition, I almost never find everything I'm looking for in any one tutorial. Almost invariably, I've got to look through a selection of tutorials to piece together what I'm seeking. One and done is an unrealistic expectation in a great many cases. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. |
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farhan israk
Freedom Scientific have made some tutorials for jaws users. Most of the tutorials are the same for nvda users. They are available in their youtube and podcast channel. |
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