Zoom, iPhone or All In One Computer?
David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...>
Hello NVDA Chat,
I have been trying to follow the example set by member, Brian, and look up info before posting on NVDA Chat. My reading about using Zoom tells me I need a computer microphone if using either a desktop, laptop, or all-in-one PC. A decent one sells for around $170 USD. The second option is using the iPhone. But would any extra peripheries be required if going that route? As to ease of use, I found articles from the American Foundation for the Blind, U.S., and Henshaws Blog, Manchester, AU to be informative. 31 Mar 20 Using Zoom virtual meetings if you are visually impaired Zoom is an app that allows people to have virtual meetings and stay connected, as long as they have access to an internet connection. That quote was suppose to include a link. I see it does not on reading. It's from Henshaws Blog. Third, is there a step-by-step tutorial or crash course available online for using the iPhone and different meeting platforms? At one time, there was a website with the words VoiceOver in its URL that has apparently been phased out. Thanks for helping me chart my direction here on where to go learn. Best, -- David C. Russell, Author david.sonofhashem@... |
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On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 03:05 PM, David Russell wrote:
I need a computer microphone if- The built-in microphone on a laptop or all-in-one is generally way more than adequate for Zoom calling or other similar apps. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. |
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JM Casey
Hello David.
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No iPhone here, but I've used Zoom from my desktop quite a few times and maybe once on my Android phone. I prefer the PC experience, but that goes for most things generally. If you have a laptop there is probably a built in microphone, as Brian already pointed out -- it may or may not be sufficient; I tind to find they sound sort of crappy, but it all depends on what purpose you will be using them for, how much you'll be talking and so on. You could always ask others in the meeting how they find your audio. I have a Blue Snowball mic for my desktop; it cost me less than $170 and it's been good enough to use for podcasting, even if it's not studio quality. You can download the Zoom programme for pC, create an account and launch it when you get a meeting link. Once you launch and log in, you'll be able to tab to the various buttons, or use some keyboard commands to do things quickly once you've become familiar with what's on the screen. Search the web for 'zoom keyboard commands" and you'll find loads of them. -----Original Message-----
From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Russell Sent: August 17, 2022 03:05 PM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: [chat] Zoom, iPhone or All In One Computer? Hello NVDA Chat, I have been trying to follow the example set by member, Brian, and look up info before posting on NVDA Chat. My reading about using Zoom tells me I need a computer microphone if using either a desktop, laptop, or all-in-one PC. A decent one sells for around $170 USD. The second option is using the iPhone. But would any extra peripheries be required if going that route? As to ease of use, I found articles from the American Foundation for the Blind, U.S., and Henshaws Blog, Manchester, AU to be informative. 31 Mar 20 Using Zoom virtual meetings if you are visually impaired Zoom is an app that allows people to have virtual meetings and stay connected, as long as they have access to an internet connection. That quote was suppose to include a link. I see it does not on reading. It's from Henshaws Blog. Third, is there a step-by-step tutorial or crash course available online for using the iPhone and different meeting platforms? At one time, there was a website with the words VoiceOver in its URL that has apparently been phased out. Thanks for helping me chart my direction here on where to go learn. Best, -- David C. Russell, Author david.sonofhashem@... |
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Gene
I don't know what sort of search you did but the price you are
quoting is absurd for a microphone to use on Zoom.
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You might find something satisfactory for fifteen or twenty dollars. I haven't bought a microphone for years so I'm guessing. But whatever the case, I would be very surprised if you need to spend over twenty-five or thirty dollars. Gene On 8/17/2022 2:05 PM, David Russell
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Hello NVDA Chat, I have been trying to follow the example set by member, Brian, and look up info before posting on NVDA Chat. My reading about using Zoom tells me I need a computer microphone if using either a desktop, laptop, or all-in-one PC. A decent one sells for around $170 USD. The second option is using the iPhone. But would any extra peripheries be required if going that route? As to ease of use, I found articles from the American Foundation for the Blind, U.S., and Henshaws Blog, Manchester, AU to be informative. 31 Mar 20 Using Zoom virtual meetings if you are visually impaired Zoom is an app that allows people to have virtual meetings and stay connected, as long as they have access to an internet connection. That quote was suppose to include a link. I see it does not on reading. It's from Henshaws Blog. Third, is there a step-by-step tutorial or crash course available online for using the iPhone and different meeting platforms? At one time, there was a website with the words VoiceOver in its URL that has apparently been phased out. Thanks for helping me chart my direction here on where to go learn. Best, |
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On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 03:28 PM, Gene wrote:
I haven't bought a microphone for years so I'm guessing. But whatever the case, I would be very surprised if you need to spend over twenty-five or thirty dollars.- If that. If the only thing you're using it for is Zoom, you simply don't gain much by having a studio-quality microphone, it's overkill. Zoom is not generally getting you anything much beyond "phone quality" audio when using something like Voice Over LTE on a mobile network. And phones do not and never have had ultra-high-quality voice pickup microphones. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. |
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Gene
You can hear how the audio sounds in more than one way. You can use
a check your audio feature Zoom offers or you can record yourself
using a recording program.
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If all you are going to do is attend Zoom meetings and not sign up or host them, there isn't much you need to learn. Let us know how you are going to use Zoom. If you are just going to join meetings you are invited to, I can probably explain more or less all you need to know in one message. Others may add information I haven't thought of. Gene On 8/17/2022 2:15 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Hello David. No iPhone here, but I've used Zoom from my desktop quite a few times and maybe once on my Android phone. I prefer the PC experience, but that goes for most things generally. If you have a laptop there is probably a built in microphone, as Brian already pointed out -- it may or may not be sufficient; I tind to find they sound sort of crappy, but it all depends on what purpose you will be using them for, how much you'll be talking and so on. You could always ask others in the meeting how they find your audio. I have a Blue Snowball mic for my desktop; it cost me less than $170 and it's been good enough to use for podcasting, even if it's not studio quality. You can download the Zoom programme for pC, create an account and launch it when you get a meeting link. Once you launch and log in, you'll be able to tab to the various buttons, or use some keyboard commands to do things quickly once you've become familiar with what's on the screen. Search the web for 'zoom keyboard commands" and you'll find loads of them. -----Original Message----- From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Russell Sent: August 17, 2022 03:05 PM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: [chat] Zoom, iPhone or All In One Computer? Hello NVDA Chat, I have been trying to follow the example set by member, Brian, and look up info before posting on NVDA Chat. My reading about using Zoom tells me I need a computer microphone if using either a desktop, laptop, or all-in-one PC. A decent one sells for around $170 USD. The second option is using the iPhone. But would any extra peripheries be required if going that route? As to ease of use, I found articles from the American Foundation for the Blind, U.S., and Henshaws Blog, Manchester, AU to be informative. 31 Mar 20 Using Zoom virtual meetings if you are visually impaired Zoom is an app that allows people to have virtual meetings and stay connected, as long as they have access to an internet connection. That quote was suppose to include a link. I see it does not on reading. It's from Henshaws Blog. Third, is there a step-by-step tutorial or crash course available online for using the iPhone and different meeting platforms? At one time, there was a website with the words VoiceOver in its URL that has apparently been phased out. Thanks for helping me chart my direction here on where to go learn. Best, -- David C. Russell, Author david.sonofhashem@... . |
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JM Casey
I believe when I checked some time ago, the microphone I use, a Blue Snowball, cost around $45 or $50 in uS funds if you order online. Again though, if you will be using a laptop, try the internal mic first.
From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: August 17, 2022 03:29 PM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [chat] Zoom, iPhone or All In One Computer?
I don't know what sort of search you did but the price you are quoting is absurd for a microphone to use on Zoom. On 8/17/2022 2:05 PM, David Russell wrote: Hello NVDA Chat,I have been trying to follow the example set by member, Brian, andlook up info before posting on NVDA Chat.My reading about using Zoom tells me I need a computer microphone ifusing either a desktop, laptop, or all-in-one PC. A decent one sellsfor around $170 USD.The second option is using the iPhone. But would any extra peripheriesbe required if going that route?As to ease of use, I found articles from the American Foundation forthe Blind, U.S., andHenshaws Blog, Manchester, AU to be informative.31 Mar 20Using Zoom virtual meetings if you are visually impairedZoom is an app that allows people to have virtual meetings and stayconnected, as long as they have access to an internet connection.That quote was suppose to include a link. I see it does not onreading. It's from Henshaws Blog.Third, is there a step-by-step tutorial or crash course availableonline for using the iPhone and different meeting platforms?At one time, there was a website with the words VoiceOver in its URLthat has apparently been phased out.Thanks for helping me chart my direction here on where to go learn.Best,
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Gene
That's more than is necessary to spend. And the internal microphone
will likely be fine. I have two laptops and both internal
microphones provide very acceptable sound. If I record using a
recording program and produce a high quality recording, the internal
microphones produce much better sound than Zoom sends to people.
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Gene On 8/17/2022 2:40 PM, JM Casey wrote:
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Dennis Clark
Hello David,
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A $170 mic sounds like a professional microphone and probably isn't needed for zoom. Perhaps others on the list can list which mics they have purchased for using zoom on their computers. All the best, Dennis On 8/17/2022 12:05 PM, David Russell wrote:
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David Ingram
Hi, when using zoom, i don’t think that it matters if you are using a mike, or a telephone handset you will only notice things if you are using speakers to hear yourself. One thing is to turn down the speakers and just use your phone hand set. Just a little information to pass along.
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JM Casey
It depends. We all have different ears and yes, some of the internal laptop mics are fine, but not all of them are. It’s true that Zoom doesn’t provide the best quality audio transmission but I think it is, in and of itself, better than most – but you also have to factor in the environments and audio hardware of every person in a meeting. $45 or $50 is not that much to spend for decent sounding audio. Your listeners will thank you for it. It’s also a lot less than $170. And I don’t think we even know if David has an internal mic to use.
From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: August 17, 2022 03:45 PM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [chat] Zoom, iPhone or All In One Computer?
That's more than is necessary to spend. And the internal microphone will likely be fine. I have two laptops and both internal microphones provide very acceptable sound. If I record using a recording program and produce a high quality recording, the internal microphones produce much better sound than Zoom sends to people. On 8/17/2022 2:40 PM, JM Casey wrote:
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On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 03:59 PM, JM Casey wrote:
It depends. We all have different ears and yes, some of the internal laptop mics are fine, but not all of them are.- And the one, and only, way to determine whether it works for you, the generic you, is to try it. And when it comes to a built-in microphone, that's a less than 10 minute check, start to finish. Open the Windows Voice Recorder app, record a short sample, play it back. If it's fine with the speakers you're using, then it's fine. If it's not, then you need to check out whether the issue is crappy speakers rather than an inadequate microphone. The amount of overthinking going on about this is just epic. Quick trials will give you the answers you're seeking very quickly indeed. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. |
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David Goldfield
There’s nothing at all wrong with spending good money on a professional microphone, particularly if you’re conducting a presentation or a class. In such a situation you want to sound as professional as possible and not like you’re sitting in an enclosed box.
David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
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From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2022 3:45 PM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [chat] Zoom, iPhone or All In One Computer?
That's more than is necessary to spend. And the internal microphone will likely be fine. I have two laptops and both internal microphones provide very acceptable sound. If I record using a recording program
and produce a high quality recording, the internal microphones produce much better sound than Zoom sends to people. On 8/17/2022 2:40 PM, JM Casey wrote:
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David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...>
Hello Chat,
Brian, JM, and Gene, thanks for your input on my question concerning the need of peripheries with Zoom or other meeting protocols online. I read from Acer, that their all-in-one desktops do not contain a built-in microphone. This is because of design and deemed impractical to put it succinctly. I had been led to believe the all-in-one is categorized a laptop. On my model, the camera is extra and needs to be plugged in to one of the USB ports. Hence, it looks like a computer mic is required. Mine is 3-years-old, win10. To answer Gene, I would need the camera and mic for Zoom if using the PC. I belong to a group who are starting online Zoom meetings next month and require the camera. Glad to hear the consensus on the cost of a computer mic is much, much more favorable than found. A podcaster wants to interview me either with FB Messenger or Zoom and only audio will be necessary for that. Thanks again. I receive the Digest version and cannot reply directly. Hence, I pasted my subject in the subject line. -- David C. Russell, Author david.sonofhashem@... |
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Gene
Do you want to spend the money or use the phone?
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I would imagine the phone would give as good results as what you would buy for the computer. The microphone in the IPhone is good and I assume that for all that money, the camera is as well. Where did you hear that an all-in-one is categorized as a laptop? That isn't correct. Gene On 8/17/2022 4:34 PM, David Russell
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Hello Chat, Brian, JM, and Gene, thanks for your input on my question concerning the need of peripheries with Zoom or other meeting protocols online. I read from Acer, that their all-in-one desktops do not contain a built-in microphone. This is because of design and deemed impractical to put it succinctly. I had been led to believe the all-in-one is categorized a laptop. On my model, the camera is extra and needs to be plugged in to one of the USB ports. Hence, it looks like a computer mic is required. Mine is 3-years-old, win10. To answer Gene, I would need the camera and mic for Zoom if using the PC. I belong to a group who are starting online Zoom meetings next month and require the camera. Glad to hear the consensus on the cost of a computer mic is much, much more favorable than found. A podcaster wants to interview me either with FB Messenger or Zoom and only audio will be necessary for that. Thanks again. I receive the Digest version and cannot reply directly. Hence, I pasted my subject in the subject line. |
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David Goldfield
The microphone on Apple’s phones is quite good. However, I sometimes use Zoom to facilitate trainings and I’m planning to launch some workshops using Zoom and I want to sound as professional as I possibly can. This is even more the case as I’m planning to record the sessions and I want those recordings to sound professional and not just good enough to be understood. Even with a minor hearing loss I’m bothered by people on Zoom with mics that pop or that make them sound bad. I’m not saying that everyone on Zoom needs to spend a lot of money on a good mic but those who are training people really should.
David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
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Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2022 6:22 PM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [chat] RE 2. Zoom, iPhone or All In One Computer?
Do you want to spend the money or use the phone?
On 8/17/2022 4:34 PM, David Russell wrote: Hello Chat,Brian, JM, and Gene, thanks for your input on my question concerningthe need of peripheries with Zoom or other meeting protocols online.I read from Acer, that their all-in-one desktops do not contain abuilt-in microphone. This is because of design and deemed impracticalto put it succinctly.I had been led to believe the all-in-one is categorized a laptop.On my model, the camera is extra and needs to be plugged in to one ofthe USB ports.Hence, it looks like a computer mic is required.Mine is 3-years-old, win10.To answer Gene, I would need the camera and mic for Zoom if using thePC. I belong to a group who are starting online Zoom meetings nextmonth and require the camera.Glad to hear the consensus on the cost of a computer mic is much, muchmore favorable than found.A podcaster wants to interview me either with FB Messenger or Zoom andonly audio will be necessary for that.Thanks again. I receive the Digest version and cannot reply directly.Hence, I pasted my subject in the subject line.
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On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 05:08 PM, David Goldfield wrote:
There’s nothing at all wrong with spending good money on a professional microphone,- Indeed, if you have a need or desire for one. Neither was in evidence here, and a subsequent reply has made it entirely clear that this is for a "one and done" interview to be conducted via Zoom or similar. It was also clear, before that, that price/cost was an issue from the way it was mentioned. In the circumstances now known, for the purposes now stated, a professional microphone is entirely optional. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. |
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David,
It would be really helpful if you would identify the make and model of the PC you currently have. I have a two Logitech webcams that date from the period before when both PC cameras and microphones came standard on the vast majority of computers, regardless of whether they were desktop or laptop. Both have built-in microphones and I've never had anyone complain about either the video or audio when I've used them (which has been infrequently - when I want audio only I still prefer a phone). An All-In-One is not a laptop. It is a desktop where the monitor and all the other bits of the computer except the keyboard and mouse are a single unit, pretty much a display with the computer fused to the back of it. There are convertible laptops, often called 2-in-ones, that can function as a conventional laptop or as a tablet with the keyboard disconnected. It does have in common with the desktop all-in-one that the display part of the unit contains all parts of the computer except the keyboard in the vast majority of cases. External webcam/microphone units are still readily available. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. |
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JM Casey
Also check to see if your camera has a mic built in. My Logitech one does, though it's of lesser quality than the Snowball so I tend to use it as a visual device only.
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From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Russell Sent: August 17, 2022 05:34 PM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: [chat] RE 2. Zoom, iPhone or All In One Computer? Hello Chat, Brian, JM, and Gene, thanks for your input on my question concerning the need of peripheries with Zoom or other meeting protocols online. I read from Acer, that their all-in-one desktops do not contain a built-in microphone. This is because of design and deemed impractical to put it succinctly. I had been led to believe the all-in-one is categorized a laptop. On my model, the camera is extra and needs to be plugged in to one of the USB ports. Hence, it looks like a computer mic is required. Mine is 3-years-old, win10. To answer Gene, I would need the camera and mic for Zoom if using the PC. I belong to a group who are starting online Zoom meetings next month and require the camera. Glad to hear the consensus on the cost of a computer mic is much, much more favorable than found. A podcaster wants to interview me either with FB Messenger or Zoom and only audio will be necessary for that. Thanks again. I receive the Digest version and cannot reply directly. Hence, I pasted my subject in the subject line. -- David C. Russell, Author david.sonofhashem@... |
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Dan Thompson
Hi all, I use a directional microphone connected to a mixer that runs into the line in of my desktop. I use the mixer so I can adjust volume with the slides.
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From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Clark Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2022 2:47 PM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [chat] Zoom, iPhone or All In One Computer? Hello David, A $170 mic sounds like a professional microphone and probably isn't needed for zoom. Perhaps others on the list can list which mics they have purchased for using zoom on their computers. All the best, Dennis On 8/17/2022 12:05 PM, David Russell wrote: Hello NVDA Chat, |
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