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As I said last night, I may be moving to an apartment where all the tenants use the same network. According to what I've read, the Windows Firewall will protect me from malicious incoming traffic, avoiding infection. Is there anything else I need to know about protecting myself? Do I need a VPN?
Gene
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Sarah k Alawami
I would not worry at all, just do what you do, keep the windows firewall on, and that's about it, no need to do anything extra.
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Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 2:30 PM
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Subject: [chat] More on the apartment network question
As I said last night, I may be moving to an apartment where all the tenants use the same network. According to what I've read, the Windows Firewall will protect me from malicious incoming traffic, avoiding infection. Is there anything else I need to know about protecting myself? Do I need a VPN?
Gene
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That was my impression but I wasn't sure I understood some of the technical information I read.
I saw something about a computer with full network privileges being able to launch attacks against other computers on the network. I don't have the technical knowledge to understand that.
Gene
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On 11/21/2022 5:56 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote: I would not worry at all, just do what you do, keep the windows firewall on, and that's about it, no need to do anything extra.
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Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 2:30 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [chat] More on the apartment network question
As I said last night, I may be moving to an apartment where all the tenants use the same network. According to what I've read, the Windows Firewall will protect me from malicious incoming traffic, avoiding infection. Is there anything else I need to know about protecting myself? Do I need a VPN?
Gene
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Sarah k Alawami
Don't worry about that, that is a scare tactic. Not everyone has the technical knowledge to accomplish this, and most articles prey on those with less knowledge to scare them into doing things that are not necessary most of the time.
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-----Original Message----- From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 4:10 PM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [chat] More on the apartment network question That was my impression but I wasn't sure I understood some of the technical information I read. I saw something about a computer with full network privileges being able to launch attacks against other computers on the network. I don't have the technical knowledge to understand that. Gene On 11/21/2022 5:56 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote: I would not worry at all, just do what you do, keep the windows firewall on, and that's about it, no need to do anything extra.
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From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 2:30 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [chat] More on the apartment network question
As I said last night, I may be moving to an apartment where all the tenants use the same network. According to what I've read, the Windows Firewall will protect me from malicious incoming traffic, avoiding infection. Is there anything else I need to know about protecting myself? Do I need a VPN?
Gene
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That's good. So evidently, all I need to do when being on a shared network in the building is have the firewall on, which it already is and use the public network setting, which I already do.
Gene
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On 11/21/2022 6:34 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote: Don't worry about that, that is a scare tactic. Not everyone has the technical knowledge to accomplish this, and most articles prey on those with less knowledge to scare them into doing things that are not necessary most of the time.
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From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 4:10 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [chat] More on the apartment network question
That was my impression but I wasn't sure I understood some of the technical information I read.
I saw something about a computer with full network privileges being able to launch attacks against other computers on the network. I don't have the technical knowledge to understand that.
Gene
On 11/21/2022 5:56 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I would not worry at all, just do what you do, keep the windows firewall on, and that's about it, no need to do anything extra.
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From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 2:30 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [chat] More on the apartment network question
As I said last night, I may be moving to an apartment where all the tenants use the same network. According to what I've read, the Windows Firewall will protect me from malicious incoming traffic, avoiding infection. Is there anything else I need to know about protecting myself? Do I need a VPN?
Gene
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Sarah k Alawami
Yeah basically, and don't do anything stupid that will get you into trouble in the first place.
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-----Original Message----- From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 4:37 PM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [chat] More on the apartment network question That's good. So evidently, all I need to do when being on a shared network in the building is have the firewall on, which it already is and use the public network setting, which I already do. Gene On 11/21/2022 6:34 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote: Don't worry about that, that is a scare tactic. Not everyone has the technical knowledge to accomplish this, and most articles prey on those with less knowledge to scare them into doing things that are not necessary most of the time.
-----Original Message-----
From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 4:10 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [chat] More on the apartment network question
That was my impression but I wasn't sure I understood some of the technical information I read.
I saw something about a computer with full network privileges being able to launch attacks against other computers on the network. I don't have the technical knowledge to understand that.
Gene
On 11/21/2022 5:56 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I would not worry at all, just do what you do, keep the windows firewall on, and that's about it, no need to do anything extra.
-----Original Message-----
From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 2:30 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [chat] More on the apartment network question
As I said last night, I may be moving to an apartment where all the tenants use the same network. According to what I've read, the Windows Firewall will protect me from malicious incoming traffic, avoiding infection. Is there anything else I need to know about protecting myself? Do I need a VPN?
Gene
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Sarah,
Your advice is, quite frankly, incredibly dangerous.
Gene can certainly do what you suggest, but I really don't recommend that. Scare tactics or otherwise, the dangers of doing personal web browsing on public networks have been recognized, and threat vectors have been realized.
* When connecting to a network you don't control, all traffic on that network can be monitored. You asked about VPN's. The reason for VPN's to exist is to protect oneself on public networks. I'd highly recommend that route. * Please please please also enable 2FA/MFA for all services you use. The best way to do that is by using OTP codes generated by an app or a password manager, or by using hardware keys such as Yubikeys. * When sharing bandwidth with your neighbors, you have little control or recourse if the Internet gets congested. You aren't paying for, nor are you expected to receive any sort of bandwidth. * When issues crop up, as they are known to do, with devices not connecting, how long will you have to wait for potential router reboots? * Does the complex have someone managing router updates?
If it is the only option you have, go for it. Otherwise, I'd strongly consider getting your own connection, even if that connection is a hotspot or a router through a mobile provider. If you do go for it, please consider disable any network sharing, consider using a VPN, and maybe think about whether the THF might fit into your lifestyle.
Thanks.
On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 6:57 PM Sarah k Alawami < marrie12@...> wrote: Yeah basically, and don't do anything stupid that will get you into trouble in the first place.
-----Original Message-----
From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 4:37 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [chat] More on the apartment network question
That's good. So evidently, all I need to do when being on a shared network in the building is have the firewall on, which it already is and use the public network setting, which I already do.
Gene
On 11/21/2022 6:34 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
> Don't worry about that, that is a scare tactic. Not everyone has the technical knowledge to accomplish this, and most articles prey on those with less knowledge to scare them into doing things that are not necessary most of the time.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 4:10 PM
> To: chat@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [chat] More on the apartment network question
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> That was my impression but I wasn't sure I understood some of the technical information I read.
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> I saw something about a computer with full network privileges being able to launch attacks against other computers on the network. I don't have the technical knowledge to understand that.
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> Gene
> On 11/21/2022 5:56 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>> I would not worry at all, just do what you do, keep the windows firewall on, and that's about it, no need to do anything extra.
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>> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 2:30 PM
>> To: chat@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [chat] More on the apartment network question
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>> As I said last night, I may be moving to an apartment where all the tenants use the same network. According to what I've read, the Windows Firewall will protect me from malicious incoming traffic, avoiding infection. Is there anything else I need to know about protecting myself? Do I need a VPN?
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It really depends on what they call a shared network. I don't know if this is common abroad, but many ISPs give you a discount if you allow part of your network to look like a hot spot as well. I myself do not do this, but it seems to be quite common.
I don't like the idea, but on the other hand I've yet to hear anyone being hacked through it, as one assumes the router does the protection.
I know that I have a different router, one which claims to block security hazards. It is sitting on the service providers router, which is set to modem only mode. Even using dodgy old XP machines to test things, I've never seen any successful attempt to hack, unless of course its aided by some less than wary user doing something with a phishing email.
The log of the router does occasionally suggest some port access has been blocked but as I don't even pretend to understand it, I just update the firmware every so often and carry on.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer Jaber" <nimerjaber1@...> To: <chat@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2022 3:52 AM Subject: Re: [chat] More on the apartment network question Sarah,
Your advice is, quite frankly, incredibly dangerous.
Gene can certainly do what you suggest, but I really don't recommend that.
Scare tactics or otherwise, the dangers of doing personal web browsing on
public networks have been recognized, and threat vectors have been realized.
https://www.gcit.net/blog/is-it-safe-to-use-public-wifi-with-a-vpn
* When connecting to a network you don't control, all traffic on that
network can be monitored. You asked about VPN's. The reason for VPN's to
exist is to protect oneself on public networks. I'd highly recommend that
route.
* Please please please also enable 2FA/MFA for all services you use. The
best way to do that is by using OTP codes generated by an app or a password
manager, or by using hardware keys such as Yubikeys.
* One tool I use while on public networks is a tiny hardware firewall
<http://www.tinyhardwarefirewall.com/>
* When sharing bandwidth with your neighbors, you have little control or
recourse if the Internet gets congested. You aren't paying for, nor are you
expected to receive any sort of bandwidth.
* When issues crop up, as they are known to do, with devices not
connecting, how long will you have to wait for potential router reboots?
* Does the complex have someone managing router updates?
If it is the only option you have, go for it. Otherwise, I'd strongly
consider getting your own connection, even if that connection is a hotspot
or a router through a mobile provider. If you do go for it, please consider
disable any network sharing, consider using a VPN, and maybe think about
whether the THF might fit into your lifestyle.
Thanks.
On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 6:57 PM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
Yeah basically, and don't do anything stupid that will get you into
trouble in the first place.
-----Original Message-----
From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 4:37 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [chat] More on the apartment network question
That's good. So evidently, all I need to do when being on a shared
network in the building is have the firewall on, which it already is and
use the public network setting, which I already do.
Gene
On 11/21/2022 6:34 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Don't worry about that, that is a scare tactic. Not everyone has the technical knowledge to accomplish this, and most articles prey on those
with less knowledge to scare them into doing things that are not necessary
most of the time.
-----Original Message-----
From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 4:10 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [chat] More on the apartment network question
That was my impression but I wasn't sure I understood some of the
technical information I read.
I saw something about a computer with full network privileges being able
to launch attacks against other computers on the network. I don't have the
technical knowledge to understand that.
Gene
On 11/21/2022 5:56 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I would not worry at all, just do what you do, keep the windows
firewall on, and that's about it, no need to do anything extra.
-----Original Message-----
From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 2:30 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [chat] More on the apartment network question
As I said last night, I may be moving to an apartment where all the
tenants use the same network. According to what I've read, the Windows
Firewall will protect me from malicious incoming traffic, avoiding
infection. Is there anything else I need to know about protecting myself?
Do I need a VPN?
Gene
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Hello Brian,
Some ISP routers do, indeed, turn on hotspot mode, in many cases, without the user knowing. This is intended to allow their other customers to connect to Internet, and for them to say that they have a really large network. In this case, your router allocates part of the band for traffic, limits the bandwidth that can be used, and essentially creates something akin to a Guest network. Because your traffic isn't going through the same connected WiFi network, you're pretty safe... there's just the downside of paying for bandwidth that is, unknowingly, going to other customers. ISP's that do this, such as Xfinity, do allow users to turn this off, and they only do this with rented modems. In this case, though, this isn't what is being discussed in this email.
Thanks.
It really depends on what they call a shared network. I don't know if this
is common abroad, but many ISPs give you a discount if you allow part of
your network to look like a hot spot as well. I myself do not do this, but
it seems to be quite common.
I don't like the idea, but on the other hand I've yet to hear anyone being
hacked through it, as one assumes the router does the protection.
I know that I have a different router, one which claims to block security
hazards. It is sitting on the service providers router, which is set to
modem only mode. Even using dodgy old XP machines to test things, I've never
seen any successful attempt to hack, unless of course its aided by some less
than wary user doing something with a phishing email.
The log of the router does occasionally suggest some port access has been
blocked but as I don't even pretend to understand it, I just update the
firmware every so often and carry on.
Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nimer Jaber" <nimerjaber1@...>
To: <chat@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2022 3:52 AM
Subject: Re: [chat] More on the apartment network question
> Sarah,
>
> Your advice is, quite frankly, incredibly dangerous.
>
> Gene can certainly do what you suggest, but I really don't recommend that.
> Scare tactics or otherwise, the dangers of doing personal web browsing on
> public networks have been recognized, and threat vectors have been
> realized.
> https://www.gcit.net/blog/is-it-safe-to-use-public-wifi-with-a-vpn
>
> * When connecting to a network you don't control, all traffic on that
> network can be monitored. You asked about VPN's. The reason for VPN's to
> exist is to protect oneself on public networks. I'd highly recommend that
> route.
> * Please please please also enable 2FA/MFA for all services you use. The
> best way to do that is by using OTP codes generated by an app or a
> password
> manager, or by using hardware keys such as Yubikeys.
> * One tool I use while on public networks is a tiny hardware firewall
> <http://www.tinyhardwarefirewall.com/>
> * When sharing bandwidth with your neighbors, you have little control or
> recourse if the Internet gets congested. You aren't paying for, nor are
> you
> expected to receive any sort of bandwidth.
> * When issues crop up, as they are known to do, with devices not
> connecting, how long will you have to wait for potential router reboots?
> * Does the complex have someone managing router updates?
>
> If it is the only option you have, go for it. Otherwise, I'd strongly
> consider getting your own connection, even if that connection is a hotspot
> or a router through a mobile provider. If you do go for it, please
> consider
> disable any network sharing, consider using a VPN, and maybe think about
> whether the THF might fit into your lifestyle.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 6:57 PM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah basically, and don't do anything stupid that will get you into
>> trouble in the first place.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 4:37 PM
>> To: chat@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [chat] More on the apartment network question
>>
>> That's good. So evidently, all I need to do when being on a shared
>> network in the building is have the firewall on, which it already is and
>> use the public network setting, which I already do.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> On 11/21/2022 6:34 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>> > Don't worry about that, that is a scare tactic. Not everyone has the
>> technical knowledge to accomplish this, and most articles prey on those
>> with less knowledge to scare them into doing things that are not
>> necessary
>> most of the time.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
>> > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 4:10 PM
>> > To: chat@nvda.groups.io
>> > Subject: Re: [chat] More on the apartment network question
>> >
>> > That was my impression but I wasn't sure I understood some of the
>> technical information I read.
>> >
>> > I saw something about a computer with full network privileges being
>> > able
>> to launch attacks against other computers on the network. I don't have
>> the
>> technical knowledge to understand that.
>> >
>> > Gene
>> > On 11/21/2022 5:56 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>> >> I would not worry at all, just do what you do, keep the windows
>> firewall on, and that's about it, no need to do anything extra.
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
>> >> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 2:30 PM
>> >> To: chat@nvda.groups.io
>> >> Subject: [chat] More on the apartment network question
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>> >> As I said last night, I may be moving to an apartment where all the
>> tenants use the same network. According to what I've read, the Windows
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>> Do I need a VPN?
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> for the latest technology news.
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> Thank you, and have a great day!
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