resizing photos


Gene
 

That's not how Winamp's menus work.  In Winamp, you need to execute the command alt f, hold alt and type f, to open the menu.  There is one main menu with a lot of items in it you can change and many submenus in that menu.

You could compare it more or less to the single menu in Chrome and Chrome-based browsers, which contains both settings in it and submenus you dan open and work with or a settings structure which is something like a dialog.

Gene

On 1/16/2023 4:54 AM, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:
That sounds a bit like how Winamps menus work.

I think one of the most annoying things about trying to edit pictures, is cropping without chomping off things you might need. I have to say I do take the easy way out these days and get a sighted human to do it.
Brian


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If you want a laugh, at some point I managed to turn my screen display upside down and it worked fine until somebody sighted came along and suggested my version of Windows was made for Australians!


On the icon front, I'd no idea that 11 did this and wonder why the choice to have text and icons was removed, unless its one less thing to keep in multiple languages? I know a number of people who are icon challenged. I guess its like dyslexia, but for icons.

Like what does this icon actually mean?
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Hey.



It should be. I downloaded Microsoft powerToys a while ago, and it contains a programme called image Resizer, which has put an item in my context menu that applies to picture files. All the controls are fully usable. However especially if you want to customise the resizing, you might want to have a sighted person look at the picture afterwards just to make sure it views allright.



From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: January 15, 2023 4:00 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [chat] resizing photos



Hello, everyone. I hope this finds you doing well. I have a question about resizing photos.



I need to resize a photo of a seal so that I can put it up on Paypal. Is it possible for a totally blind person to resize pictures? I'd be perfectly fine if I couldn't do it. Would be more convenient if I could.



If it is possible for a blind person to do such a thing, what tool/s would be needed?


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That sounds a bit like how Winamps menus work.

I think one of the most annoying things about trying to edit pictures, is cropping without chomping off things you might need. I have to say I do take the easy way out these days and get a sighted human to do it.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [chat] resizing photos


By the way, under Windows 11, if you get the, "You can't do that," tone when you hit ALT, try tab and/or SHIFT + TAB until you hear that you've landed in the ribbon anywhere. Once you're there, hitting ALT will bring up all the various keyboard shortcuts.

Paint under Windows 11 is distinctly different in how the ribbon works because even the File and View controls are part of a single integrated ribbon, not ribbons of their own. There is one ribbon for Windows 11 Paint, and the File Control and View Control are, in actuality, dropdown menus like the very old days. In this case, everything old is new again. It can just be a bit of a pain to get there, as ALT alone doesn't seem to work reliably unless you already have focus somewhere in the ribbon. Luckily, either tabbing or SHIFT + Tabbing a couple of times will invariably land you in one of the ribbon controls, then hitting ALT allows you to continue with whatever additional letter or combination of letters invoke a specific control.
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Journalism 101: *If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true.*

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On Sun, Jan 15, 2023 at 06:52 PM, Gene wrote:
I wonder if your discussion of no more text under some icons means that older versions of NVDA won't announce what the icons are.
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Doubtful.  Microsoft has been supplying/exposing that information to screen readers whether visible text exists or not for a very long time now for a number of icons.
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Journalism 101:  If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true.

      ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed)


Gene
 

I wonder if your discussion of no more text under some icons means that older versions of NVDA won't announce what the icons are.  It would be interesting to compare a current version with a version that supports Windows 10 and not Windows 11.

Gene

On 1/15/2023 5:26 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sun, Jan 15, 2023 at 04:42 PM, Gene wrote:
Is this change widespread enough and important enough to be incorporated in my ribbon tutorial?
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Gene,

I honestly have no idea, as I am still in the "exploration phase" for Windows 11 myself.  It is remarkably similar or actually the same as Windows 10 in what I consider to be the vast majority of ways, but there are differences "hiding out there" that you don't know until/unless you encounter them.

I'm still using Office 2016 under Windows 11, and nothing has changed.  When it comes to installed applications, as opposed to built-in apps, they seem to be precisely the same and they are in control of their respective UIs.

Several things have changed in File Explorer, some of which would not be relevant to a screen reader user because you don't literally see it, and the keyboard shortcuts remain unchanged.  The most obvious change for a sighted user is that what used to be icons and text beneath each giving the function have gone "pure icon" with no option to change it.  Cut, Copy, Paste, Rename, Share, and Delete buttons are all strictly iconic.  The keyboard shortcuts remain unchanged.  There is a New button which, once expanded (using space bar), gives you the standard menu list everyone's familiar with starting with Folder and continuing.  You can still add a new folder using CTRL + SHIFT + N.  The biggest difference is that the full context menu is no longer shown by default in certain circumstances, but a shorter one of the "most frequently used" options and a  "More options" (if memory serves, I can't seem to force it right now) that then displays the less frequently used options.  This can be changed, and I can't recall if that's via Settings or a registry hack.  I know that Winaero Tweaker gives you an option to Enable classic full context menus.

Most of the changes should not stop someone cold in their tracks unless they are not willing to start exploring just a bit when the expected thing doesn't show up.  A good example being the context menu.  If you don't see something you expect, looking through what's there and finding that "More Options" choice should tell you that it would be a good idea to activate it and see what's there.

The only difference between how a sighted individual does this versus someone using a keyboard and screen reader is that it's quicker to take a changed menu in as a whole if you see and then pointing and clicking, but a screen reader user has always had to do the equivalent using arrow keys, listening, and activating.  We all encounter the unfamiliar on occasion, and when we do, looking around and noodling around often reveals all, and quickly.  Sometimes not, though.
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Journalism 101:  If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true.

      ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed)



 

On Sun, Jan 15, 2023 at 04:42 PM, Gene wrote:
Is this change widespread enough and important enough to be incorporated in my ribbon tutorial?
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Gene,

I honestly have no idea, as I am still in the "exploration phase" for Windows 11 myself.  It is remarkably similar or actually the same as Windows 10 in what I consider to be the vast majority of ways, but there are differences "hiding out there" that you don't know until/unless you encounter them.

I'm still using Office 2016 under Windows 11, and nothing has changed.  When it comes to installed applications, as opposed to built-in apps, they seem to be precisely the same and they are in control of their respective UIs.

Several things have changed in File Explorer, some of which would not be relevant to a screen reader user because you don't literally see it, and the keyboard shortcuts remain unchanged.  The most obvious change for a sighted user is that what used to be icons and text beneath each giving the function have gone "pure icon" with no option to change it.  Cut, Copy, Paste, Rename, Share, and Delete buttons are all strictly iconic.  The keyboard shortcuts remain unchanged.  There is a New button which, once expanded (using space bar), gives you the standard menu list everyone's familiar with starting with Folder and continuing.  You can still add a new folder using CTRL + SHIFT + N.  The biggest difference is that the full context menu is no longer shown by default in certain circumstances, but a shorter one of the "most frequently used" options and a  "More options" (if memory serves, I can't seem to force it right now) that then displays the less frequently used options.  This can be changed, and I can't recall if that's via Settings or a registry hack.  I know that Winaero Tweaker gives you an option to Enable classic full context menus.

Most of the changes should not stop someone cold in their tracks unless they are not willing to start exploring just a bit when the expected thing doesn't show up.  A good example being the context menu.  If you don't see something you expect, looking through what's there and finding that "More Options" choice should tell you that it would be a good idea to activate it and see what's there.

The only difference between how a sighted individual does this versus someone using a keyboard and screen reader is that it's quicker to take a changed menu in as a whole if you see and then pointing and clicking, but a screen reader user has always had to do the equivalent using arrow keys, listening, and activating.  We all encounter the unfamiliar on occasion, and when we do, looking around and noodling around often reveals all, and quickly.  Sometimes not, though.
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Journalism 101:  If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true.

      ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed)


Gene
 

Is this change widespread enough and important enough to be incorporated in my ribbon tutorial?  I can't do so myself because I don't have Windows 11 and I haven't seen the interface.  I would imagine it doesn't apply in widely used programs such as Office but perhaps it is used in enough places that the information should be incorporated.

Gene

On 1/15/2023 3:36 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

By the way, under Windows 11, if you get the, "You can't do that," tone when you hit ALT, try tab and/or SHIFT + TAB until you hear that you've landed in the ribbon anywhere.  Once you're there, hitting ALT will bring up all the various keyboard shortcuts.

Paint under Windows 11 is distinctly different in how the ribbon works because even the File and View controls are part of a single integrated ribbon, not ribbons of their own.  There is one ribbon for Windows 11 Paint, and the File Control and View Control are, in actuality, dropdown menus like the very old days.  In this case, everything old is new again.  It can just be a bit of a pain to get there, as ALT alone doesn't seem to work reliably unless you already have focus somewhere in the ribbon.  Luckily, either tabbing or SHIFT + Tabbing a couple of times will invariably land you in one of the ribbon controls, then hitting ALT allows you to continue with whatever additional letter or combination of letters invoke a specific control.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)

Journalism 101:  If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true.

      ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed)



 

Thanks for the tips. They are really appreciated.





On 1/15/2023 4:40 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sun, Jan 15, 2023 at 04:34 PM, Governor staten wrote:
Paypal says it has to be no larger than 250k
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Then you could try using percentage instead.  I can't tell you what percent you'd need to reduce by, as I have no idea what the file size is on the original image.  But if the file size itself in file explorer is shown as 500K, then start with 50%, and see if that makes the saved result at or under 250K.  This is not an exact science, as because color is involved reducing a picture by 50% in dimensional size does not necessarily reduce it by 50% in file size.  Sometimes it does, and sometimes it may reduce in file size by even more than 50%, but others it will remain ever so slightly larger than 50% in file size.  You've got to experiment to see what works reasonably reliably "on the first shot," realizing that there will be times you need to take a second and possibly third.  Remember, you can resize what you've just resized, but when you do that you are starting with the already resized down image as your starting point.
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Brian Virginia, USA Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)

Journalism 101:  If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true.

      ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed)


 

On Sun, Jan 15, 2023 at 04:34 PM, Governor staten wrote:
Paypal says it has to be no larger than 250k
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Then you could try using percentage instead.  I can't tell you what percent you'd need to reduce by, as I have no idea what the file size is on the original image.  But if the file size itself in file explorer is shown as 500K, then start with 50%, and see if that makes the saved result at or under 250K.  This is not an exact science, as because color is involved reducing a picture by 50% in dimensional size does not necessarily reduce it by 50% in file size.  Sometimes it does, and sometimes it may reduce in file size by even more than 50%, but others it will remain ever so slightly larger than 50% in file size.  You've got to experiment to see what works reasonably reliably "on the first shot," realizing that there will be times you need to take a second and possibly third.  Remember, you can resize what you've just resized, but when you do that you are starting with the already resized down image as your starting point.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)

Journalism 101:  If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true.

      ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed)


 

By the way, under Windows 11, if you get the, "You can't do that," tone when you hit ALT, try tab and/or SHIFT + TAB until you hear that you've landed in the ribbon anywhere.  Once you're there, hitting ALT will bring up all the various keyboard shortcuts.

Paint under Windows 11 is distinctly different in how the ribbon works because even the File and View controls are part of a single integrated ribbon, not ribbons of their own.  There is one ribbon for Windows 11 Paint, and the File Control and View Control are, in actuality, dropdown menus like the very old days.  In this case, everything old is new again.  It can just be a bit of a pain to get there, as ALT alone doesn't seem to work reliably unless you already have focus somewhere in the ribbon.  Luckily, either tabbing or SHIFT + Tabbing a couple of times will invariably land you in one of the ribbon controls, then hitting ALT allows you to continue with whatever additional letter or combination of letters invoke a specific control.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)

Journalism 101:  If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true.

      ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed)


 

It doesn't give me a pixel count. Paypal says it has to be no larger than 250k. I'll look again and see if it gives me a pixel count.





On 1/15/2023 4:25 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Yes, it would be.  

If you happen to be using Windows 11, Paint (and I mean plain Paint, not Paint 3D) includes Resize as a function, invoked with ALT + RE.  Make sure you do not have focus on the image itself in the editor prior to using ALT + RE, or it can be cranky about working.  The dialog comes up with a radio button to allow you to choose resizing by percentage, or by pixel count.

If you're using Paint (again plain Paint, not Paint 3D) under Windows 10, then ALT + H, RE, invokes the resize function and the dialog is the same.

You just need to know what size you need the picture to be, usually in pixels is the easiest way to deal with this.  Sites like PayPal will often specify that pictures must be no smaller than, say, 200 x 200 pixels and no larger than 1024 x 1024 pixels.  So long as you use a pixel resizing, and make the longest side no more in pixels than the maximum allowed, the other will be within that limit.
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Brian Virginia, USA Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)

Journalism 101:  If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true.

      ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed)


JM Casey
 

I feel like I tried to do this with paint years ago and it didn’t really work out. Not sure why though. At the time I was trying to post pictures on livejournal. Haha

 

 

From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: January 15, 2023 4:25 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [chat] resizing photos

 

Yes, it would be.  

If you happen to be using Windows 11, Paint (and I mean plain Paint, not Paint 3D) includes Resize as a function, invoked with ALT + RE.  Make sure you do not have focus on the image itself in the editor prior to using ALT + RE, or it can be cranky about working.  The dialog comes up with a radio button to allow you to choose resizing by percentage, or by pixel count.

If you're using Paint (again plain Paint, not Paint 3D) under Windows 10, then ALT + H, RE, invokes the resize function and the dialog is the same.

You just need to know what size you need the picture to be, usually in pixels is the easiest way to deal with this.  Sites like PayPal will often specify that pictures must be no smaller than, say, 200 x 200 pixels and no larger than 1024 x 1024 pixels.  So long as you use a pixel resizing, and make the longest side no more in pixels than the maximum allowed, the other will be within that limit.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)

Journalism 101:  If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true.

      ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed)


JM Casey
 

Hey.

 

It should be. I downloaded Microsoft powerToys a while ago, and it contains a programme called image Resizer, which has put an item in my context menu that applies to picture files. All the controls are fully usable. However especially if you want to customise the resizing, you might want to have a sighted person look at the picture afterwards just to make sure it views allright.

 

From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: January 15, 2023 4:00 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [chat] resizing photos

 

Hello, everyone. I hope this finds you doing well. I have a question about resizing photos.

 

I need to resize a photo of a seal so that I can put it up on Paypal. Is it possible for a totally blind person to resize pictures? I'd be perfectly fine if I couldn't do it. Would be more convenient if I could.

 

If it is possible for a blind person to do such a thing, what tool/s would be needed?


 

Yes, it would be.  

If you happen to be using Windows 11, Paint (and I mean plain Paint, not Paint 3D) includes Resize as a function, invoked with ALT + RE.  Make sure you do not have focus on the image itself in the editor prior to using ALT + RE, or it can be cranky about working.  The dialog comes up with a radio button to allow you to choose resizing by percentage, or by pixel count.

If you're using Paint (again plain Paint, not Paint 3D) under Windows 10, then ALT + H, RE, invokes the resize function and the dialog is the same.

You just need to know what size you need the picture to be, usually in pixels is the easiest way to deal with this.  Sites like PayPal will often specify that pictures must be no smaller than, say, 200 x 200 pixels and no larger than 1024 x 1024 pixels.  So long as you use a pixel resizing, and make the longest side no more in pixels than the maximum allowed, the other will be within that limit.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)

Journalism 101:  If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true.

      ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed)


 

Hello, everyone. I hope this finds you doing well. I have a question about resizing photos.


I need to resize a photo of a seal so that I can put it up on Paypal. Is it possible for a totally blind person to resize pictures? I'd be perfectly fine if I couldn't do it. Would be more convenient if I could.


If it is possible for a blind person to do such a thing, what tool/s would be needed?