Email client you all use?


Socheat
 

I got fed up with Microsoft Outlook, and I want to hear your opinions. The reason is that when I close Outlook, the software is not completely closed. In the system tray, it shows Outlook is closing, and if I try reopen Outlook, it does not open at all. Is anyone knows of a fix? Tried reinstalling Outlook, run Outlook in safe mode, it doesn't help. Or, if you could recommend an alternative mail clients, I'm willing to try it too.
Thanks.


Gene
 

I don't know how you might stop the behavior.  If you close the program in the task manager after you close it the usual way, you will be able to open it again;.  Or you can just leave it opened.  That would be the most simple work around.

As for alternative programs, if people don't want whatever business features Outlook offers, my impression is that Thunderbird is a better program.  While I don't see a lot of complaints about Outlook, I see more about it than Thunderbird.

Gene

On 7/15/2022 7:03 AM, Socheat wrote:

I got fed up with Microsoft Outlook, and I want to hear your opinions. The reason is that when I close Outlook, the software is not completely closed. In the system tray, it shows Outlook is closing, and if I try reopen Outlook, it does not open at all. Is anyone knows of a fix? Tried reinstalling Outlook, run Outlook in safe mode, it doesn't help. Or, if you could recommend an alternative mail clients, I'm willing to try it too.
Thanks.


David Goldfield
 

Socheat, I’d hate to see you switching from Outlook to another email client just for the reason you documented. As this is not normal behavior it stands to reason that this can be corrected assuming you’re content using Outlook. Have you performed a repair of Office?

 

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David Goldfield
 

If the program is attempting to close and for whatever reason won’t do so the user shouldn’t have to tolerate that behavior if he or she doesn’t want to. It’s likely something that can be corrected. As I wrote in an earlier message I’d try to repair it, reinstall it or call Microsoft’s disability answer desk for assistance.

800 936-5900 or use the Be My Eyes app on mobile devices to reach them.

 

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From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 8:52 AM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [chat] Email client you all use?

 

I don't know how you might stop the behavior.  If you close the program in the task manager after you close it the usual way, you will be able to open it again;.  Or you can just leave it opened.  That would be the most simple work around.

As for alternative programs, if people don't want whatever business features Outlook offers, my impression is that Thunderbird is a better program.  While I don't see a lot of complaints about Outlook, I see more about it than Thunderbird.

Gene


Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi,

 

I’m using the mail app. There are some things you can’t do with it but just for emailing, it’s pretty good.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows


Gene
 

It is very limited.  You can't export the address book as a csv file and you can't import the address book in that way.  It appears you have to use an online account to import the address book.  That alone would cause me not to use the program.  Also, I have found no way to reverse the order in which messages are shown.  They are shown with the newest messages at the top which I don't want and I think a lot of other people don't want.

Using a Thunderbird add-on, you can use first letter navigation in the folders tree view in Thunderbird.  I don't know if Outlook has first letter navigation.  The Mail app doesn't. 

Gene

On 7/15/2022 10:24 AM, Rosemarie

On 7/15/2022 10:24 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi,

 

I’m using the mail app. There are some things you can’t do with it but just for emailing, it’s pretty good.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows



Don Robinson
 

While I have not experienced this with Outlook myself, it seems to be a fairly common problem. For some repair suggestions , please see https://community.spiceworks.com/how_to/156814-how-to-fix-the-problem-outlook-does-not-close.

I agree TB is an excellent email client but for personal reasons I chose to use both Outlook, for the extra storage and other Office Programs offered in Office 365, and eM Client with its non cluttered display and some other features I needed. Although these choices work for me, TB would be my first suggestion to anyone else looking for an email client.

Don


Socheat
 

David,
As I said, I repair office, uninstall and reinstall it, no go.  Your suggestion to contact Microsoft disability answer desk might be a good option, however I'm whether my country supports it or not. I'll look into ways to contact MS disability answer desk though.
Thanks.


Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,

 

I believe outlook does have first-letter navigation.

 

Rosemarie


Pranav Lal
 

Hi Socheat,

 

  1. What com add-ons are you running with outlook?
  2. Does the same problem happen if you run outlook in safe mode?
  3. Is your version of outlook fully updated?

One e-mail client that no one has mentioned is the bat. I do not use it any more but you may want to try it.

 

Pranav


Socheat
 

Pranav,
My com add-ons are ABBYY FineReader, Microsoft Access for data collection, and a few others which I don't remember off the top of my head. But all of those addons are unchecked at the moment.
Socheat

On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 8:54 AM Pranav Lal <pranav@...> wrote:

Hi Socheat,

 

  1. What com add-ons are you running with outlook?
  2. Does the same problem happen if you run outlook in safe mode?
  3. Is your version of outlook fully updated?

One e-mail client that no one has mentioned is the bat. I do not use it any more but you may want to try it.

 

Pranav


Pranav Lal
 

Hi,

 

Remove the abbyy fine reader add-on and see what happens.

 

Pranav

 

From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Socheat
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 9:56 AM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [chat] Email client you all use?

 

Pranav,

My com add-ons are ABBYY FineReader, Microsoft Access for data collection, and a few others which I don't remember off the top of my head. But all of those addons are unchecked at the moment.

Socheat

 

On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 8:54 AM Pranav Lal <pranav@...> wrote:

Hi Socheat,

 

  1. What com add-ons are you running with outlook?
  2. Does the same problem happen if you run outlook in safe mode?
  3. Is your version of outlook fully updated?

One e-mail client that no one has mentioned is the bat. I do not use it any more but you may want to try it.

 

Pranav


Brian's Mail list account
 

Two issues I have with Outlook are that it no longer does Usenet as it used to, and its got far too many bits hanging off of it to do stuff I never need. They keep updating it worse as well. This is one reason why I am still using the hacked version of Outlook Express.
I would say though if by you are not an old codger like myself, that Thunderbird, probably version around 91is the way to go, a portable version probably. It is a great shame that this software cold not have seen its way clear to use a shortcut key set that Microsoft use in most of their stuff. Would make trying to be productive with it much easier for many people who don't use a mouse. For that matter it could have been done by most web mail pages if they had wanted to.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 1:03 PM
Subject: [chat] Email client you all use?


I got fed up with Microsoft Outlook, and I want to hear your opinions. The
reason is that when I close Outlook, the software is not completely closed.
In the system tray, it shows Outlook is closing, and if I try reopen
Outlook, it does not open at all. Is anyone knows of a fix? Tried
reinstalling Outlook, run Outlook in safe mode, it doesn't help. Or, if you
could recommend an alternative mail clients, I'm willing to try it too.
Thanks.





Brian's Mail list account
 

Every flavour of windows came with yet another client. Most of them being inaccessible after Outlook Express. I will never understand why Microsoft did not stick to a proven format and just made it better. Outlook seems to have become less useful for the home user and a lot more sluggish and quirky. One should not keep on having to repair an office suite.
The Mail client in 10 is a lame duck when I last looked at it.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [chat] Email client you all use?


Hi,

I’m using the mail app. There are some things you can’t do with it but just for emailing, it’s pretty good.

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Brian's Mail list account
 

What happened to the Outlook express look alike that was paid for? The last time I tried it it was not all accessible.

Brian

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Subject: Re: [chat] Email client you all use?


David,
As I said, I repair office, uninstall and reinstall it, no go. Your suggestion to contact Microsoft disability answer desk might be a good option, however I'm whether my country supports it or not. I'll look into ways to contact MS disability answer desk though.
Thanks.


Brian's Mail list account
 

Why should an ocr have any effect on Outlook?


One thing I like about Outlook express is that you can hive off accounts. So for example put your work emails into one identity, and your social ones in another one, etc. This means you can be out, so to speak when your in as far as work emails are concerned. It will not download anything from another identity you select it, No distractions all weekend!

Can Tbird do this? I could not see any way loast time I looked. Not even sure Outlook can.
It also has pretty good rules for sorting emails as the come in banning rubbish. It can have both Imap and pop3 of the same account so you can hide the folders except inbox and spam in Imap, and if you then copy a email from spam to inbox it gets delivered to pop3.
This works with most email systems, sadly the recent changes in Google have completely cocked this up for gmail addresses and all sorts of odd things happen and it gets worse if you have gmail account in a mail client on a mobile particularly an Iphone.

So now if stuff goes to spam on Gmail I never know.

Can Tbird manage this? How does Tbird manage signature lines? Can you have a different one if an account sends newsgroup messages to when it sends email?


Brian

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Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [chat] Email client you all use?


Hi,



Remove the abbyy fine reader add-on and see what happens.



Pranav



From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Socheat
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 9:56 AM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [chat] Email client you all use?



Pranav,

My com add-ons are ABBYY FineReader, Microsoft Access for data collection, and a few others which I don't remember off the top of my head. But all of those addons are unchecked at the moment.

Socheat



On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 8:54 AM Pranav Lal <pranav@... <mailto:pranav@...> > wrote:

Hi Socheat,



1. What com add-ons are you running with outlook?
2. Does the same problem happen if you run outlook in safe mode?
3. Is your version of outlook fully updated?

One e-mail client that no one has mentioned is the bat. I do not use it any more but you may want to try it.



Pranav


Gene
 

That is factually not true.  The e-mail programs that followed Outlook Express are accessible, all of them.  The only thing that was lost, and I don't know if it was first lost in Windows Mail or in Windows Live mail, is the ability to use first letter navigation..  That doesn't make a program inaccessible, it adds inconvenience.

And the Windows Mail app, in Windows 10 and 11 is accessible as well. 

Gene

On 7/16/2022 2:55 AM, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:

Every flavour of windows came with yet another client. Most of them being inaccessible after Outlook Express. I will never understand why Microsoft did not stick to a proven format and just made it better. Outlook seems to have become less useful for the home user and a lot more sluggish and quirky. One should not keep on having to repair an office suite.
The Mail client in 10 is a lame duck when I last looked at it.
Brian



Gene
 

I don't know enough about identities to discuss them.  I can say that if you have more than one account, if you are in one account and download mail, it is downloaded only for that account if you are using POP.  With IMAP, I don't know if mail is automatically downloaded for all accounts whether you are in them or not. 

As far as copying a message from IMAP to POP, the question is irrelevant for Thunderbird and for Windows  Live Mail  and I wouldn't be surprised if it is irrelevant for Outlook as well.

There are off line folders specifically for the purpose of keeping messages you want to store off line in the e-mail program.  You can add new folders as well.

If I want to store a message off line in an IMAP account, I can do so by simply moving or copying the message from the IMAP folder to the off line folder I wish. 

Gene

On 7/16/2022 3:13 AM, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:

Why should an ocr have any effect on Outlook?


One thing I like about Outlook express is that you can  hive off accounts. So for example put your work emails into one identity, and your social ones in another one, etc. This means you can be out, so to speak when your in as far as work emails are concerned. It will not download anything from another identity you select it, No distractions all weekend!

Can Tbird do this? I could not see any way loast time I looked. Not even sure  Outlook can.
It also has pretty good rules for sorting emails as the come in banning rubbish. It can have both Imap and pop3 of the same account so you can hide the folders except inbox and spam in Imap, and if you then copy a  email from spam to inbox it gets delivered to pop3.
This works with most email systems, sadly the recent changes in Google have completely cocked this up for gmail addresses and all sorts of odd things happen and it gets worse if you have gmail account in a mail client on a mobile particularly an Iphone.

So now if stuff goes to spam on Gmail I never know.

Can Tbird manage this? How does Tbird manage signature lines? Can you have a different one if an account sends newsgroup messages to when it sends email?


Brian



Pranav Lal
 

Hi,
<snip Why should an ocr have any effect on Outlook?
PL] I do not know but I speak from experience. That add-in did cause my outlook installation to be less stable.

Pranav

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From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 1:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [chat] Email client you all use?

Why should an ocr have any effect on Outlook?


One thing I like about Outlook express is that you can hive off accounts.
So for example put your work emails into one identity, and your social ones in another one, etc. This means you can be out, so to speak when your in as far as work emails are concerned. It will not download anything from another identity you select it, No distractions all weekend!

Can Tbird do this? I could not see any way loast time I looked. Not even sure Outlook can.
It also has pretty good rules for sorting emails as the come in banning rubbish. It can have both Imap and pop3 of the same account so you can hide the folders except inbox and spam in Imap, and if you then copy a email from spam to inbox it gets delivered to pop3.
This works with most email systems, sadly the recent changes in Google have completely cocked this up for gmail addresses and all sorts of odd things happen and it gets worse if you have gmail account in a mail client on a mobile particularly an Iphone.

So now if stuff goes to spam on Gmail I never know.

Can Tbird manage this? How does Tbird manage signature lines? Can you have a different one if an account sends newsgroup messages to when it sends email?


Brian

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To: <chat@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [chat] Email client you all use?


Hi,



Remove the abbyy fine reader add-on and see what happens.



Pranav



From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Socheat
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 9:56 AM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [chat] Email client you all use?



Pranav,

My com add-ons are ABBYY FineReader, Microsoft Access for data collection,
and a few others which I don't remember off the top of my head. But all of
those addons are unchecked at the moment.

Socheat



On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 8:54 AM Pranav Lal <pranav@...
<mailto:pranav@...> > wrote:

Hi Socheat,



1. What com add-ons are you running with outlook?
2. Does the same problem happen if you run outlook in safe mode?
3. Is your version of outlook fully updated?

One e-mail client that no one has mentioned is the bat. I do not use it any
more but you may want to try it.



Pranav


David Mellor
 

Hi Brian,
Could I ask what went wrong after Thunderbird 91 please?
Many thanks,
David

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Sent: 16 July 2022 08:50
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Subject: Re: [chat] Email client you all use?

Two issues I have with Outlook are that it no longer does Usenet as it used
to, and its got far too many bits hanging off of it to do stuff I never
need. They keep updating it worse as well. This is one reason why I am still

using the hacked version of Outlook Express.
I would say though if by you are not an old codger like myself, that
Thunderbird, probably version around 91is the way to go, a portable version
probably. It is a great shame that this software cold not have seen its way
clear to use a shortcut key set that Microsoft use in most of their stuff.
Would make trying to be productive with it much easier for many people who
don't use a mouse. For that matter it could have been done by most web mail
pages if they had wanted to.
Brian

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