On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 02:19 PM, marcio wrote:

how I can BCC address when sending a message?

Oops,  in all of the previous I see that I didn't answer this, and it's simple.

When you are sitting in the edit box where you would enter the e-mail address for "the next recipient" (as these keep being created if needed), the default type of recipient will be "To:".  If you hit SHIFT+TAB you'll be thrown on the dropdown box that allows you to select CC, BCC, Reply-To, Newsgroup, or Followup-To addressee type.  The first down arrow press will give you the CC type, second BCC type, etc., etc.   Once you have what you want, just tab back over to the edit box and enter the addressee.

By the way, once you change the addressee type, subsequent addressees will retain that type within that compose message window unless you change it to something else, so if you change to CC or BCC, enter an address, then hit enter, the next edit box opened will automatically be CC (or BCC) depending on what you had chosen for the address you just finished up entering.

Marcio,

           In every e-mail client I've ever used, if you want the bit of the message header that's included with the forwarded message to not be included you must edit out the lines you do not wish to have manually.   There have been times when I am forwarding something where I know the original sender is not relevant and would wish to remain kept out of the loop, but where the information is pertinent an of a non-private nature.  I simply edit out the From: line in the forwarded message content.

           I am not quite certain what you're asking with regard to "other options" besides BCC (Blind Carbon Copy).  There is CC (carbon copy) available as well, and when that's used the individual addresses listed in the CC field are visible to all recipients, while in the BCC field they are not.

           What follows is the current version of the section on Thunderbird that I include in personalized cheat sheets for my clients who are just starting to use it.  I have been expanding and updating this based not only on questions I get from them directly, but that have occurred on this and other groups where screen reader users have questions.  The last section on moving messages between folders was just added about a week ago.

            If there's something specific I can answer I will, and will likely add it to this material as someone else is very likely to have the same question.

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Thunderbird e-mail client

IMPORTANT:  For those using Thunderbird with a screen reader I strongly suggest installing the Quick Folder Key Navigation extension.  You will only need to install this extension once for any instance of Thunderbird you might be using.  This allows you to jump from folder in the folder tree using first letter navigation to move between them.  Without it, this does not always work.   You will only need to install this extension once for any instance of Thunderbird you might be using.  If you are using JAWS or NVDA, searching for this add on within Thunderbird is quite simple:

·         Activate the Tools Menu (ALT+T), add-ons option (followed by A) and tab 3 times, at which point you should be on the Extensions Pane.  If you happen to land on any other pane then use Down Arrow (or Up Arrow) until you hear Extensions.

·         Tab 2 times, which lands you in the search all add-ons edit box. 

·         Then type in Quick Folder Key Navigation, hit enter, and wait a few seconds for the search to complete. 

·         Tab 5 times more gain focus on the list of results.  Then hit Down Arrow to start navigating the list.  Quick Folder Key Navigation should be the first result.

·         Tab 2 times to land on the Install button then hit enter.

·         After the install completes you need to exit Thunderbird and start it up again for this extension to become active

 

Upon opening Thunderbird, you will be in the folder tree sitting on whatever folder you had open the last time you closed it.  You will still have to hit TAB until you reach the folder tree view.

When in the folder tree view you can use first letter navigation to move around (if you installed the extension noted above).

When you are sitting on a folder in the folder tree view hitting TAB will take you to the message list.  You know you’ve arrived when you hear, “List View.”  Use up and/or down arrow to navigate through the list of messages.  [Depending on the screen reader you usually have to hit TAB either once or twice.]

If you are using threaded view, and hear JAWS announce “Level zero, collapsed,” use the right arrow to expand the thread to show all its individual messages.  To collapse the thread, get back to the first message at level zero and hit the left arrow.

When you land on the message you want to read, hit Enter to open it in a dedicated reading tab.

You will use the usual reading commands to read through the message that you use in any other program.

Thunderbird Shortcuts

Hit CTRL+W to close a reading tab and go back to the message list for the folder you had been viewing.

Hit SHIFT+TAB (once or twice) or F6 to move back to the folder tree from the message list for any folder.  This must be done after you delete all messages in a given folder as well.

To select messages in the message list view:

            Once you are in the message list view, and have a specific single message selected:

1.      Holding SHIFT, while at the same time hitting either Up or Down Arrow will continue selecting messages in the direction you are moving.

2.      Holding SHIFT, then hitting PgUp or PgDown will select all messages above or below the currently selected message, respectively, stopping with the first/last one currently displayed in the message list view.

You can use CTRL+A to select all messages, including ones currently not visible in the message list view.  Unless you’re certain about doing whatever you intend to do with ALL messages, use this option with great caution.

To delete messages:

1.      If you are in the message list view, select the message or messages you wish to delete then hit the Delete key.  This will move them to the Trash folder and none will be opened for reading if you use this technique.

2.      If you are reading a message and want to delete it, hit the Delete key and it will delete that message and automatically open the next message in the folder for reading.

To reply to a message you’re reading:  CTRL+R opens the Write window with the subject filled in with “Re:” prefixing it and the text of the message you’re replying to quoted.  Your cursor will be sitting right after the quoted material waiting for you to type.  If  you’re trying to do a Reply All that’s CTRL+Shift+R

To create a new message, regardless of what you’re doing in Thunderbird, hit CTRL+N.  This opens the Write window waiting for you to fill in your addressees in the “To:” edit box.  As you hit Enter after filling in an address or choosing one from the dropdown list of previous addresses another edit box of the same type opens.  If you need to change from “To:” to “CC:” or “BCC:” then hit SHIFT+TAB, use the up/down arrow key to find what you want, then hit TAB again to go to the edit box for the address.

·         To add attachments to an outgoing message, hit CTRL+SHIFT+A to bring up the Attach Files dialog.  It is very similar to a Save dialog except it works “in reverse.”  You will need to navigate to the location of the file you want to attach, select it, then either tab to the Open button or hit ALT+O to attach the file to the message.

To send a message, whether it’s a reply or a new message, hit CTRL+ENTER when you’ve finished composing.  It will send immediately and close the Write window, taking you back to wherever you had been before hitting the reply or new keyboard shortcut.

To get to attachments on an incoming message hit ALT+M, H  [Opens the Message Menu and selects the Attachments option]

 

Creating Folders in Thunderbird

            You can create folders within Thunderbird to organize your e-mail.  The concept is the same as in Windows File Explorer, and the tree view will be the starting point.

1.      In the tree view navigate to the folder or account (if you want the folder directly under the account like Inbox, Sent, etc., typically are) under which you want your new folder nested.  In most cases this will be your e-mail account itself, unless you are creating subfolders within other existing folders.

2.      Hit ALT+F,N,F – File Menu, New Option, Folder Option – after which the New Folder dialog opens and you’ll be in the edit box in which you’ll type the new folder’s name.

3.      Tab to the Create Folder button then hit enter, or hit ALT+R.  Your new folder has been created.

 

Moving Messages Between Folders on Thunderbird

1.      Select the message or messages you wish to move.

2.      Bring up the context menu with the applications/menu key or Shift+F10, then hit M [Move]

3.      You will be presented with a submenu that will vary somewhat depending on your folder structure, you have to drill down through the submenu to locate the folder where you want the selected messages to be moved.

4.      Once you have focus on that folder, hit Enter and the message(s) will be moved there.

 

Marcio,

           Not knowing the actual format of the message you're sending, I cannot speculate as to what is happening with any certainty.

           The "header information" is typically included as plain text prior to any actual message content, and I just used a messages that were simple text with HTML formatting as well as having an embedded table, and in each case, using SHIFT+Down Arrow to do line by line selection to snag the "header information" in a forwarded or replied message, then hit backspace to nuke it.

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Selecting Text using Windows Keyboard Shortcuts (at Least for the Most Part)

NOTE:  Any of the Windows selection keyboard shortcuts can be used in combination with one another.  They also serve as select and unselect, depending on what you've already got selected, your cursor position, and which direction you move.  So, say you selected an entire paragraph, but you really don't want the last word of that paragraph selected.  After doing the paragraph select shortcut you can then use the "left to right" word select shortcut to unselect that last word.

Character by character selection

SHIFT+Right Arrow Button [Num Pad 6] selects character by character working from left to right

SHIFT+Left Arrow Button [Num Pad 6] selects character by character working from right to left

Either of the above can be used to unselect characters you've already selected going in the opposite direction.  So if you accidentally overshoot you can correct it.

Word by word selection

CTRL+SHIFT+Right Arrow Button [Num Pad 6] selects word by word working from left to right (normal reading order)

CTRL+SHIFT+Left Arrow Button [Num Pad 4] selects word by word working from right to left (backward through text)

Either of the above can be used to unselect words you've already selected going in the opposite direction.  So if you accidentally overshoot you can correct it.

Line by line selection

What constitutes "a line" in a word processor is where it’s recognized that the next typed word will not fit within the margins and the text is flowed down to the next line.  It is not like it is in typing where you hit Return to force a new line.  Hitting Enter forces a new paragraph.

You must be certain that the cursor is positioned to the left of the first word on a given line as the text currently flows in order for line selection shortcuts to work as expected.  If you are not, and the cursor is positioned in the middle of the line, the line select shortcuts will select a chunk of text that is the same number of characters as are contained on the current line.  This can result in partial word selection at the end of the block of selected text.

SHIFT+Down Arrow Button [Num Pad 2] selects the current line if the cursor is positioned to the left of the first word in the line

SHIFT+Up Arrow Button [Num Pad 8] selects the current line if the cursor is positioned to the right of the last word in the line

If the cursor is positioned in the middle of the line you will get selection wrap to the next line until the number of characters in the current line are selected.

Paragraph by paragraph selection

CTRL+SHIFT+Down Arrow Button selects the from the cursor position to the end of the current paragraph (whole paragraph if cursor is to the left of the first word).

CTRL+SHIFT+Up Arrow Button selects the from the cursor position to the start of the current paragraph (whole paragraph if cursor is to the right of the last word).

Selecting large “chunks” of your document

CTRL+A selects all, from beginning to end of the document, no matter what your current cursor position

CTRL+SHIFT+End Button [Num Pad 1] selects from the cursor position to the end of document

CTRL+Shift+Home button [Num Pad 7] selects from the cursor position to the beginning of the document

Marcio,

            If the content that you're trying to pare down is not private in any way, feel free to forward me a copy.  It's a lot easier to have a live example to experiment with to figure out what's what than trying to discuss some of this stuff in the abstract.

            If it is private, then even if you can find a piece of "junk mail" that you've received from a company you do business with that behaves similarly that would work.  The issue is having a sample and knowing what it is you want to achieve, the behavior you're getting that doesn't achieve it, and figuring out why the latter and not the former is happening.

Brian

Marcio,

            It's all about "making it work" in a way that works for you.

            Setting up folders and filters is easy under Thunderbird.   That being said, if you're using IMAP access it makes more sense to set up your IMAP folder and filter structure on your e-mail server.  Once that's done any e-mail client that accesses that account will automatically have all of that in place from the first time it accesses the account.   I routinely teach my clients using Gmail how to set up their folders and filters via Gmail's web interface so that it does all the hard work before that mail ever even hits their own computer.

             I have had clients who used IMAP who used one machine and one e-mail client as "the master sorter" that did the filtering and folder assignment as the mail was downloaded.  This can work, but if you happen to be going away somewhere and that computer is not being fired up, then the e-mail messages on all other devices you use will not be classified until or unless it is.  This is why I always suggest using server side filtering for IMAP e-mail, as that was the design intent from the start so that the messages were filtered and sorted before any e-mail client ever accessed them.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

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