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Hopefully a simple question about updating machines running windows 7.
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The time has come to grasp the nettle on existing machines.
Is it relatively trivial, if a bit long winded to take a Windows 7 installation with a lot of specialist software often run by batch processes, to Windows 10? Does it cost anything, other than I suspect new versions of the office suite? My plan to keep running is to get a reasonably capable machine and clone the existing main drive, then do the update. This way, I should be able to keep up with stuff that will no longer work, and get new versions or work around going before the live machine has to be reconfigured, probably by a reverse cloning. Is there a flaw in the cunning plan, like copyright or registration issues? Anyone care to comment? At the moment, I'm not going to do windows 11, but if the clone machine is capable, I could try that later on, as somebody told me that going from 7 to 10 is possible but not straight to 11 in one hit. I do envisage having to use Thunderbird as email and news client, and upgrades to Office and a lot of cursing at ribbons till I get the shortcuts into my brain of course! Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. |
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The probability of anything that works on Windows 7 not working under Windows 10 is, effectively, close to zero.
So long as you've done either a full system image backup (my preference, because it can be put back on to any other drive of one's choosing) or cloned your system drive before upgrading you can roll back with ease. My tutorial on this: How to Properly Upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10 for Late Adopters -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) Journalism 101: If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true. ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed) |
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Brian,
The following is meant to make your life easier: Don't overcomplicate this. You absolutely love to overcomplicate these processes. If you take a full system image of your existing system, and run the upgrade, other than Windows 7 now being Windows 10 everything will be precisely as you left it under Windows 7. The upgrade has worked beautifully, for years, and it only got more reliable over time. There is no reason to start from scratch and reinstall everything, period. Just run the upgrade if you have a backup and all bases are covered. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) Journalism 101: If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true. ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed) |
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Gene
I would think that, regarding the office suite, it would be better to see if it works after the upgrade rather than making any assumptions beforehand.
You didn't say which version you are currently using. Gene |
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On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 11:22 AM, Gene wrote:
I would think that, regarding the office suite, it would be better to see if it works after the upgrade rather than making any assumptions beforehand.- Substitute, "everything," for "office suite," and we're in perfect agreement. I've been doing this ever since Windows 10 hit the street. I've had one machine, a laptop I still own, that would not upgrade (ever) due to hardware insufficiency that the upgrader reported at the time. I had one other that just imploded, somehow, and that was in the 2015-2016 time period. Since then, every upgrade has worked and every blessed piece of software that was on the machine prior to the upgrade worked. The process is very simple, and the result is, effectively, always good. If you had a clean, stable version of Windows 7 prior to performing an in-place upgrade to Windows 10, you should have a clean, stable Windows 10 machine afterward. I also think it's a good idea to take a baseline full system image backup right after an upgrade so that you have it were you to need it. After you've been taking routine backups after Windows 10 is in place the baseline copy is no longer necessary. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) Journalism 101: If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true. ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed) |
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Yes the second course of action would probably be the way to go, so apart from device drivers for sound interfaces, most should work. Would you do it from the web directly for produce an image and do it offline with only updates after that?
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From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> To: <chat@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2023 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [chat] Hopefully a simple question about updating machines running windows 7. The probability of anything that works on Windows 7 not working under Windows 10 is, effectively, close to zero. So long as you've done either a full system image backup (my preference, because it can be put back on to any other drive of one's choosing) or cloned your system drive before upgrading you can roll back with ease. My tutorial on this: *How to Properly Upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10 for Late Adopters* ( https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1vTZhB0PwY0CGxYx_sKtlSF8ple86NlfU ) -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) Journalism 101: *If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true.* ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed) |
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That is because I have more than one,mainly because of Access database that is stuck in XP mode so the version of Access where the visual basic scripts stopped working is different to the one in which Windows 10 will not work.
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I'll still clone I think as that way I do not have to mess about with all of this when a fully working machine is needed each week. Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <chat@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2023 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [chat] Hopefully a simple question about updating machines running windows 7. I would think that, regarding the office suite, it would be better to see if it works after the upgrade rather than making any assumptions beforehand. You didn't say which version you are currently using. Gene |
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Brian,
I didn't write that tutorial for my health, and your questions have been covered in it. If you so happen to have an odd device (and I do have one on one laptop) where Windows Update picks "the wrong driver" then you should keep a copy of that driver handy. But, overall, those instances are very, very few and far between. The only one I've ever encountered was for a Beats Audio driver for an HP laptop, where Windows Update would insist on a generic driver during an upgrade and again at several of the earlier Feature Updates. I simply re-ran that single driver installer. Nothing else ever needed attention. I also strongly suggest using the "service station" software of your particular computer maker, e.g., HP Support Assistant, Dynabook Service Station, Lenovo Vantage, etc. These will override anything that Windows may have chosen if the manufacturer has a better or more updated driver, and if the version number is higher than what Windows Update picks itself, it will not be overriden again by Windows Update. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) Journalism 101: If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true. ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed) |
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I did wonder if some of the choices of folders might be a security issue as my use of 10 on other machines has nearly always told me you do not have access to that or similar.
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Funny you should mention imploding. My first ever Windows 10 machine a second hand AMD chipped device with 8 gigs of memory just died, We changed the psu, still nothing, turned out to be the motherboard, and I did not fancy the costs on a second hand machine. The current hardware is Intel and has 8 gigs, and an SSD, its on its second SSD, the first one died with Samsung being rather unhelpful with the tool to look at it. It was one of those like a big chip on the motherboard. The replacement is still Samsung but is a normal drive format, and yes I have a back up western Digital 2tb drive so I can and did restore it after the disc died. This was windows 7. I did try Windows 8.1 on the machine, but it was so full of bugs and weird things I rolled it back. Would I be right in thinking that these days 8gig of ram is the bare minimum. Also I have been told that problems can occur if you use the machines with no physical monitor on them. I use a TV but seldom bother when on my own. Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> To: <chat@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2023 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [chat] Hopefully a simple question about updating machines running windows 7. On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 11:22 AM, Gene wrote: - Substitute, "everything," for "office suite," and we're in perfect agreement. I've been doing this ever since Windows 10 hit the street. I've had one machine, a laptop I still own, that would not upgrade (ever) due to hardware insufficiency that the upgrader reported at the time. I had one other that just imploded, somehow, and that was in the 2015-2016 time period. Since then, every upgrade has worked and every blessed piece of software that was on the machine prior to the upgrade worked. The process is very simple, and the result is, effectively, always good. If you had a clean, stable version of Windows 7 prior to performing an in-place upgrade to Windows 10, you should have a clean, stable Windows 10 machine afterward. I also think it's a good idea to take a baseline full system image backup right after an upgrade so that you have it were you to need it. After you've been taking routine backups after Windows 10 is in place the baseline copy is no longer necessary. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) Journalism 101: *If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true.* ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed) |
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Gene
You can run Windows 10 on less, but from what I've read, it isn't a good idea.
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I have 8GB and my machine is plenty fast for what I use it for, but since I don't know how you use your machine, I can't comment on whether it would be a good idea to get more. If you tell us how you use it, you may get better help. Gene On 1/24/2023 10:42 AM, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:
I did wonder if some of the choices of folders might be a security issue as my use of 10 on other machines has nearly always told me you do not have access to that or similar. |
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Gene
I just found something interesting. The minimum memory requirement for 64 bit Windows 10 is 2gb. I point that out as an interesting way in which minimum is defined. It may be enough to run the operating system but I am very skeptical that you can run much of anything more without having to use the page file. I wonder how Microsoft defines the minimum. I suspect it is literally the minimum you need to run Windows.
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Gene On 1/24/2023 10:48 AM, Gene wrote:
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On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 11:42 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Funny you should mention imploding. My first ever Windows 10 machine a second hand AMD chipped device with 8 gigs of memory just died, We changed the psu, still nothing, turned out to be the motherboard, and I did not fancy the costs on a second hand machine.- Well, hardware implosions are a thing of their own, and can occur on any computer. They tend to occur either "right out of the shoot" when the stuff is brand new or years and years later, when everything is very old and very tired, but there's the occasional one that sneaks in between the two extremes. This has nothing to do with the OS running on said hardware. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) Journalism 101: If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true. ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed) |
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On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 11:52 AM, Gene wrote:
I suspect it is literally the minimum you need to run Windows.- That would be correct. And by "run" they don't mean "run as a functional computer," either. 8 GB is the bare minimum you want for Windows 10 or 11, but there have been so few machines produced, for some years now, that don't come with at least 8 GB that this is not a hard spec to find. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) Journalism 101: If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true. ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed) |
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On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 11:42 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Also I have been told that problems can occur if you use the machines with no physical monitor on them.- I haven't observed this. One of my dearest friends had a monitor, but it was never turned on, which is was effectively the same thing as not having a monitor at all. I was the only one that ever used it when I was doing work on the machine, otherwise it was off. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) Journalism 101: If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true. ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed) |
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