I'm puzzled about Windows 10 expiration
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Gene
I thought Windows 10 support is supposed to expire in 2023. But I've seen in two places while looking around this morning for other information, that it isn't until 2025. This page, from Microsoft, appears to indicate that Windows 10 will be supported until then.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro What's the story? Thanks for information. Gene |
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Windows 10 has always had a sunset date of 2025.
For any version of Windows (at least those currently active), see the Windows Lifecycle Fact Sheet for the servicing policy (intervals between Feature Updates, etc.) for those versions. Each active version has its own individual lifecycle page with the hard and fast support dates for that version. For Windows 10: Windows 10 Home and Pro Lifecycle Sheet The retirement date for Windows 10, since it's release, has always been listed as October 14, 2025. Windows 8.1 sunsets on January 10, 2023 (Windows 8.1 Lifecycle Sheet) and Windows 11 has not yet had an end of support date announced (Windows 11 Home and Pro Lifecycle Sheet). -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045 There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs. ~ John Rogers |
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Gene
That's good. I don't know where I saw the incorrect information but
since my machine can't run Windows 11, its good to know it will be
supported longer than I thought.
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Gene On 10/20/2022 9:26 AM, Brian Vogel
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Windows 10 has always had a sunset date of 2025. |
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Brian's Mail list account
Its always been 2025, and only some of the older builds are going obsolete in earlier years. Also I strongly suspect that since Windows 7 is still getting updates to security stuff and anti virus, 10 will carry on longer as well. It just won't get new features, which quite often are more trouble than they are worth since they do tend to break other bits.
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My utopia would be to have the whole OS on a plug in rom, like in old days of computing including a screenreader. Think of it just plug in a cart and get any version of windows you liked, instantly. Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <chat@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 1:54 PM Subject: [chat] I'm puzzled about Windows 10 expiration I thought Windows 10 support is supposed to expire in 2023. But I've seen in two places while looking around this morning for other information, that it isn't until 2025. This page, from Microsoft, appears to indicate that Windows 10 will be supported until then. |
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Brian's Mail list account
There are people out there that say, older machines can run 11 hardware wise, its just this extra chip that is the issue, and some say they have hacked it to work without it. Now I'm not suggesting anyone do this on a machine they rely on, but it is tempting, as I love things like this. Brian
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-- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <chat@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [chat] I'm puzzled about Windows 10 expiration That's good. I don't know where I saw the incorrect information but |
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Gene
You can have Windows Defender get updates to virus definitions and perhaps the program itself is updated but aside from that, Windows 7 receives no security updates nor any other kind. Getting updated definitions and perhaps program updates for Windows Defender is not in any way equivalent to having vulnerabilities patched in Windows and it is dangerous to rely on an antivirus program to stop you from being hacked through Windows vulnerabilities. You may be hacked in that way with no indication from an antivirus program.updates. It is misleading and dangerous to say it does.
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Gene On 10/21/2022 10:03 AM, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:
Its always been 2025, and only some of the older builds are going obsolete in earlier years. Also I strongly suspect that since Windows 7 is still getting updates to security stuff and anti virus, 10 will carry on longer as well. It just won't get new features, which quite often are more trouble than they are worth since they do tend to break other bits. |
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On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 11:25 AM, Gene wrote:
Getting updated definitions and perhaps program updates for Windows Defender is not in any way equivalent to having vulnerabilities patched in Windows and it is dangerous to rely on an antivirus program to stop you from being hacked through Windows vulnerabilities. You may be hacked in that way with no indication from an antivirus program.updates. It is misleading and dangerous to say it does.- Thank you, Gene. This bears repeating as frequently as necessary. I won't deny any given individual the right to do as they see fit, which includes using out of support versions of WIndows. But I also will strenuously object to those who make any claims that this is a low risk proposition. There is a window, and it's usually for the first year or so after the end of support for any given version of Windows, where nefarious players know that there will be many, many machines out there that have not been upgraded and that are not getting patches for security vulnerabilities. They pay attention to the resources that document vulnerabilities found and their patch statuses and know that they have an open door on unsupported OSes. During that window is when the most exploits occur simply because the pickins' aren't slim. But over that window period as many get burned they do end up upgrading, and as time marches on the pickins' become much fewer and further between. Not that I'd ever recommend doing something like using Windows XP, but I supect very few attacks are occurring on it these days, because it's no longer a ubiquitous target with a good potential for a payoff. Eventually, the juice becomes not worth the squeeze. But anyone using Windows as a daily driver in contact with cyberspace should use only an in-support version. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045 There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs. ~ John Rogers |
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JM Casey
And before anyone has the bright idea of returning to their beloved XP to use online: no current browsers work on that operating system...not even Firefox, which seems to maintain support for old Oses longer than most. Interesting new signature, Brian.. My dad did try to get me to read Ayn rand at around that age. I think he thought it would be good for me somehow, even though he doesn’t share the ideology himself. He probably heard that all the arch capitalists fawn over it. And those guys are successful. So you know.
From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: October 21, 2022 01:22 PM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [chat] I'm puzzled about Windows 10 expiration
On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 11:25 AM, Gene wrote:
- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045 There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs. ~ John Rogers |
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On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 02:46 PM, JM Casey wrote:
before anyone has the bright idea of returning to their beloved XP to use online: no current browsers work on that operating system...- Well, out of support browsers still do. But, and this is the big one, most websites are coded to forbid entry to out-of-support browsers of any ilk. IE was being blocked on many sites well before its final retirement. In computing, going with the flow is the only choice. It doesn't matter one iota what you (the generic you) prefer. Never has and never will. And there are many very good reasons for updates that are not front-facing to the end user. Your cyber safety depends upon many of them being in place. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045 There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs. ~ John Rogers |
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