Issue: Deleting specific files in file explorer Win10


David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...>
 

Hello NVDA Chat,
I will post this once as I am a Digest recipient and understand that
one cannot reply to digest topics with quick reply.
I am wondering what the reason(s) could be that I cannot delete
specific files in Win10 File Explorer when following these directions
from
https://www.thewindowsclub.com/windows
3] Using Keyboard Shortcut – Shift+Delete key
To delete files or folders without sending them to the Recycle Bin,
select the items and press ‘Shift+Delete’ on the keyboard. This will
permanently delete the selected files. In such a case, these deleted
files can only be recovered or restored using specialized software
like Recuva.
aclk sa=L&ai=CeF85JG60YrHoG-qO…

Note: I understand the hot key for 'select' is hold down the control
key, press shift and delete key at the same time. Is this correct?

I am using NVDA primarily. Thanks in advance for your input.

--
David C. Russell, Author


 

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 10:00 AM, David Russell wrote:
Note: I understand the hot key for 'select' is hold down the control
key, press shift and delete key at the same time. Is this correct?
-
No.  Plain and simple.

Individual file selection has always been spacebar.  Multi-file selection, depending on whether they're a contiguous block of files versus a random collection of files is done by:

1. For contiguout selection. hold down SHIFT and keep it held, hit spacebar on the first (or last) file in the contiguous list/block you want to select, then down arrow (or up arrow) to the last (or first) file in the block/list you wish to have selected.

2. For random selections within a list/block, hold down CTRL and keep it held.  Hit spacebar on any file you wish to select (and if you accidentally select one you can unselect just by hitting spacebar again while the CTRL key is held down) as you navigate up or down through the block/list.

After files are selected, hitting the Delete key will delete them, sending them to the Recycle Bin, and SHIFT + Delete will permanently delete them, bypassing the Recycle Bin.
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Gene
 

You are having problems because you aren't selecting properly and you appear to be holding control and issuing the delete command.

Selecting something is completely separate from deleting it.  If you want to delete items that are in consecutive order, hold shift and down arrow through the items you want to select.  If you go too far, keep holding shift and up arrow to the last item you want to be selected.

After you have selected the files you want to delete, since you are already holding shift, press delete, thus executing the completely delete command, shift delete, not control shift delete.  If you were to release shift, then hold it and press delete.

Control and moving doesn't select or unselect anything.  If you want to select files that are not right next to each other, press and hold control.  When you get to a file you want to select, press space.  Continue to hold control and move and press space on the next file you want to select.
If you are on a file that is selected and you want to unselect it, hold control and press space.  Space toggles selection of the item you are on on or off.
If you have moved in a list of files and folders using just the arrow keys, something will be selected.  Let's say you have moved but you don't what the file you are on to be selected but you want the file below it to be selected, then some files, not in consecutive order to be selected.  The file you are on is selected because you moved to it and you weren't holding control.
Press and hold control.  Press space on the file you are on to unselect it.
Then continue to hold control and down arrow, pressing space on the files you want to select.
When you have selected what you want, release control and don't move in the list in any way.  To completely delete the selected files, use shift delete.

Gene

On 6/23/2022 9:00 AM, David Russell wrote:
> Hello NVDA Chat, I will post this once as I am a Digest recipient and > understand that one cannot reply to digest topics with quick reply. I > am wondering what the reason(s) could be that I cannot delete > specific files in Win10 File Explorer when following these > directions from https://www.thewindowsclub.com/windows 3] Using > Keyboard Shortcut – Shift+Delete key To delete files or folders > without sending them to the Recycle Bin, select the items and press > ‘Shift+Delete’ on the keyboard. This will permanently delete the > selected files. In such a case, these deleted files can only be > recovered or restored using specialized software like Recuva. aclk > sa=L&ai=CeF85JG60YrHoG-qO… > > Note: I understand the hot key for 'select' is hold down the control > key, press shift and delete key at the same time. Is this correct? > > I am using NVDA primarily. Thanks in advance for your input. >
You can reply to digest messages with quick reply.  However, I rreally don't like discussing things with people using digest becauwse they respond a day later.  Howw can you have a reasonable discussion of a problem if someone answers, then the digest recipient has qquestions or comments, which he makes a day later, someone answers, then waits a day again to get a response.

I would vbery much prefer it if people who use


Gene
 

Also, since you will be practicing, I would suggest not using shift delete while you are first working with selecting and deleting files.  Just use delete by itself so files will go to the recycle bin.  You need to practice and know that you aren't mistakenly deleting too many files.

Gene

On 6/23/2022 9:34 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

You are having problems because you aren't selecting properly and you appear to be holding control and issuing the delete command.

Selecting something is completely separate from deleting it.  If you want to delete items that are in consecutive order, hold shift and down arrow through the items you want to select.  If you go too far, keep holding shift and up arrow to the last item you want to be selected.

After you have selected the files you want to delete, since you are already holding shift, press delete, thus executing the completely delete command, shift delete, not control shift delete.  If you were to release shift, then hold it and press delete.

Control and moving doesn't select or unselect anything.  If you want to select files that are not right next to each other, press and hold control.  When you get to a file you want to select, press space.  Continue to hold control and move and press space on the next file you want to select.
If you are on a file that is selected and you want to unselect it, hold control and press space.  Space toggles selection of the item you are on on or off.
If you have moved in a list of files and folders using just the arrow keys, something will be selected.  Let's say you have moved but you don't what the file you are on to be selected but you want the file below it to be selected, then some files, not in consecutive order to be selected.  The file you are on is selected because you moved to it and you weren't holding control.
Press and hold control.  Press space on the file you are on to unselect it.
Then continue to hold control and down arrow, pressing space on the files you want to select.
When you have selected what you want, release control and don't move in the list in any way.  To completely delete the selected files, use shift delete.

Gene

On 6/23/2022 9:00 AM, David Russell wrote:
> Hello NVDA Chat, I will post this once as I am a Digest recipient and > understand that one cannot reply to digest topics with quick reply. I > am wondering what the reason(s) could be that I cannot delete > specific files in Win10 File Explorer when following these > directions from https://www.thewindowsclub.com/windows 3] Using > Keyboard Shortcut – Shift+Delete key To delete files or folders > without sending them to the Recycle Bin, select the items and press > ‘Shift+Delete’ on the keyboard. This will permanently delete the > selected files. In such a case, these deleted files can only be > recovered or restored using specialized software like Recuva. aclk > sa=L&ai=CeF85JG60YrHoG-qO… > > Note: I understand the hot key for 'select' is hold down the control > key, press shift and delete key at the same time. Is this correct? > > I am using NVDA primarily. Thanks in advance for your input. >
You can reply to digest messages with quick reply.  However, I rreally don't like discussing things with people using digest becauwse they respond a day later.  Howw can you have a reasonable discussion of a problem if someone answers, then the digest recipient has qquestions or comments, which he makes a day later, someone answers, then waits a day again to get a response.

I would vbery much prefer it if people who use


Sarah k Alawami
 

No, it is shift del, as in the del in the 6 pack. Don't get confused with back space as that is not what they mean at all.

-----Original Message-----
From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Russell
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To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [chat] Issue: Deleting specific files in file explorer Win10

Hello NVDA Chat,
I will post this once as I am a Digest recipient and understand that one cannot reply to digest topics with quick reply.
I am wondering what the reason(s) could be that I cannot delete specific files in Win10 File Explorer when following these directions from https://www.thewindowsclub.com/windows
3] Using Keyboard Shortcut – Shift+Delete key To delete files or folders without sending them to the Recycle Bin, select the items and press ‘Shift+Delete’ on the keyboard. This will permanently delete the selected files. In such a case, these deleted files can only be recovered or restored using specialized software like Recuva.
aclk sa=L&ai=CeF85JG60YrHoG-qO…

Note: I understand the hot key for 'select' is hold down the control key, press shift and delete key at the same time. Is this correct?

I am using NVDA primarily. Thanks in advance for your input.

--
David C. Russell, Author


Luke Davis
 

David the short answer is: press space to select, not control.
Then press delete to regularly delete, or shift+delete to delete without recycle bin.

I strongly second Gene's suggestion. Until you are absolutely confident in deleting exactly and only what you want, consider deleting the normal way (without shift), and letting things go to your recycle bin. Yes you will have to empty your recycle bin eventually (which we can explain), but it's much harder to make a bad mistake that way.
That's what it's there for; let it be your safety net as intended.

Luke


Chris Mullins
 

Hi

If the files you want to perform an action on appear contiguously in the file list, you can select them by holding  down the shift key and select using down arrow from the first to the last file but if they are non contiguous, hold down control and individually select each file  using the space bar.  After selecting the files you want using either or both of the above techniques, press the delete key if you want to allow the files to be saved in the  recycle bin or hold down shift and press delete to remove them without involving the recycle bin.

Cheers

                Chris

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From: David Russell
Sent: 23 June 2022 15:00
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [chat] Issue: Deleting specific files in file explorer Win10

 

Hello NVDA Chat,

I will post this once as I am a Digest recipient and understand that

one cannot reply to digest topics with quick reply.

I am wondering what the reason(s) could be that I cannot delete

specific files in Win10 File Explorer when following these directions

from

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/windows

3] Using Keyboard Shortcut – Shift+Delete key

To delete files or folders without sending them to the Recycle Bin,

select the items and press ‘Shift+Delete’ on the keyboard. This will

permanently delete the selected files. In such a case, these deleted

files can only be recovered or restored using specialized software

like Recuva.

aclk sa=L&ai=CeF85JG60YrHoG-qO…

 

Note: I understand the hot key for 'select' is hold down the control

key, press shift and delete key at the same time. Is this correct?

 

I am using NVDA primarily.  Thanks in advance for your input.

 

--

David C. Russell, Author

 

 

 

 

 


Sarah k Alawami
 

‘be careful, I hozed a 20 gig hard drive with shift del. Don’t ask, lesson learned.  Recovering that was not so much fun.

 

From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 11:53 AM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [chat] Issue: Deleting specific files in file explorer Win10

 

Hi

If the files you want to perform an action on appear contiguously in the file list, you can select them by holding  down the shift key and select using down arrow from the first to the last file but if they are non contiguous, hold down control and individually select each file  using the space bar.  After selecting the files you want using either or both of the above techniques, press the delete key if you want to allow the files to be saved in the  recycle bin or hold down shift and press delete to remove them without involving the recycle bin.

Cheers

                Chris

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: David Russell
Sent: 23 June 2022 15:00
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [chat] Issue: Deleting specific files in file explorer Win10

 

Hello NVDA Chat,

I will post this once as I am a Digest recipient and understand that

one cannot reply to digest topics with quick reply.

I am wondering what the reason(s) could be that I cannot delete

specific files in Win10 File Explorer when following these directions

from

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/windows

3] Using Keyboard Shortcut – Shift+Delete key

To delete files or folders without sending them to the Recycle Bin,

select the items and press ‘Shift+Delete’ on the keyboard. This will

permanently delete the selected files. In such a case, these deleted

files can only be recovered or restored using specialized software

like Recuva.

aclk sa=L&ai=CeF85JG60YrHoG-qO…

 

Note: I understand the hot key for 'select' is hold down the control

key, press shift and delete key at the same time. Is this correct?

 

I am using NVDA primarily.  Thanks in advance for your input.

 

--

David C. Russell, Author

 

 

 

 

 


Brian's Mail list account
 

I'll second this, also, if you get too fast in this you can sometimes find you have missed a file or added an unintended file, which is why I feel its bad practice to not use the recycle bin. I'm not really sure under what condition you would want to actually do a permanent delete from a folder on a main drive.
Its also worth noting that, as far as I know ram stick drives always permanently delete when you do an ordinary delete.
AS for recovering mistaken deleted files, There is software for this, but beware, as soon as the directory entry is marked for reuse by another program or yourself, that file will not be recoverable as part of its space will get over written and MUrphys law will always dictate it will be one of the files you need.
Brian

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‘be careful, I hozed a 20 gig hard drive with shift del. Don’t ask, lesson learned. Recovering that was not so much fun.



From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 11:53 AM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [chat] Issue: Deleting specific files in file explorer Win10



Hi

If the files you want to perform an action on appear contiguously in the file list, you can select them by holding down the shift key and select using down arrow from the first to the last file but if they are non contiguous, hold down control and individually select each file using the space bar. After selecting the files you want using either or both of the above techniques, press the delete key if you want to allow the files to be saved in the recycle bin or hold down shift and press delete to remove them without involving the recycle bin.

Cheers

Chris

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From: David Russell <mailto:david.sonofhashem@...>
Sent: 23 June 2022 15:00
To: chat@nvda.groups.io <mailto:chat@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [chat] Issue: Deleting specific files in file explorer Win10



Hello NVDA Chat,

I will post this once as I am a Digest recipient and understand that

one cannot reply to digest topics with quick reply.

I am wondering what the reason(s) could be that I cannot delete

specific files in Win10 File Explorer when following these directions

from

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/windows

3] Using Keyboard Shortcut – Shift+Delete key

To delete files or folders without sending them to the Recycle Bin,

select the items and press ‘Shift+Delete’ on the keyboard. This will

permanently delete the selected files. In such a case, these deleted

files can only be recovered or restored using specialized software

like Recuva.

aclk sa=L&ai=CeF85JG60YrHoG-qO…



Note: I understand the hot key for 'select' is hold down the control

key, press shift and delete key at the same time. Is this correct?



I am using NVDA primarily. Thanks in advance for your input.



--

David C. Russell, Author


Sarah k Alawami
 

I will use a permanent delete if I know the folder is way too big and I know I don't need it anymore actually. This happens to me a lot as the files I deal with and the folders I deal with are sometimes 50 or so gb in size. This is rare and I normally need everything, however I do use the permanent delete with triple carefulness on my part.

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Subject: Re: [chat] Issue: Deleting specific files in file explorer Win10

I'll second this, also, if you get too fast in this you can sometimes find you have missed a file or added an unintended file, which is why I feel its bad practice to not use the recycle bin. I'm not really sure under what condition you would want to actually do a permanent delete from a folder on a main drive.
Its also worth noting that, as far as I know ram stick drives always permanently delete when you do an ordinary delete.
AS for recovering mistaken deleted files, There is software for this, but beware, as soon as the directory entry is marked for reuse by another program or yourself, that file will not be recoverable as part of its space will get over written and MUrphys law will always dictate it will be one of the files you need.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [chat] Issue: Deleting specific files in file explorer Win10


‘be careful, I hozed a 20 gig hard drive with shift del. Don’t ask, lesson learned. Recovering that was not so much fun.



From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 11:53 AM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [chat] Issue: Deleting specific files in file explorer Win10



Hi

If the files you want to perform an action on appear contiguously in the
file list, you can select them by holding down the shift key and select
using down arrow from the first to the last file but if they are non
contiguous, hold down control and individually select each file using the
space bar. After selecting the files you want using either or both of the
above techniques, press the delete key if you want to allow the files to be
saved in the recycle bin or hold down shift and press delete to remove them
without involving the recycle bin.

Cheers

Chris

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From: David Russell <mailto:david.sonofhashem@...>
Sent: 23 June 2022 15:00
To: chat@nvda.groups.io <mailto:chat@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [chat] Issue: Deleting specific files in file explorer Win10



Hello NVDA Chat,

I will post this once as I am a Digest recipient and understand that

one cannot reply to digest topics with quick reply.

I am wondering what the reason(s) could be that I cannot delete

specific files in Win10 File Explorer when following these directions

from

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/windows

3] Using Keyboard Shortcut – Shift+Delete key

To delete files or folders without sending them to the Recycle Bin,

select the items and press ‘Shift+Delete’ on the keyboard. This will

permanently delete the selected files. In such a case, these deleted

files can only be recovered or restored using specialized software

like Recuva.

aclk sa=L&ai=CeF85JG60YrHoG-qO…



Note: I understand the hot key for 'select' is hold down the control

key, press shift and delete key at the same time. Is this correct?



I am using NVDA primarily. Thanks in advance for your input.



--

David C. Russell, Author


 

At this point, I think that both adequate instruction, and adequate cautionary warning, has been given about choosing between normal delete that results in the deleted files going into the Recycle Bin, and the option to use immediate, permanent delete.

For myself, I stopped using immediate permanent delete years ago with the very rarest of exceptions.  I do a fairly regular emptying of my Recycle Bin, but there have been just a few too many occasions where something was in there that I didn't realize I'd deleted and needed to restore.  Letting things "percolate" for anywhere from a couple of days to a couple of weeks if you're not running out of space on your drive really costs nothing.
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The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

    ~Bertrand Russell


Brian's Mail list account
 

Indeed. I tend to only delete it using ccleaner free version as this can be set to not delete very recent files.
It also forces you to at least be reminded what files you are actually deleting, which can be files in other parts of the computer that you might wish to keep too, like an error log or certain internet files.
Brian

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At this point, I think that both adequate instruction, and adequate cautionary warning, has been given about choosing between normal delete that results in the deleted files going into the Recycle Bin, and the option to use immediate, permanent delete.

For myself, I stopped using immediate permanent delete years ago with the very rarest of exceptions. I do a fairly regular emptying of my Recycle Bin, but there have been just a few too many occasions where something was in there that I didn't realize I'd deleted and needed to restore. Letting things "percolate" for anywhere from a couple of days to a couple of weeks if you're not running out of space on your drive really costs nothing.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .*

~Bertrand Russell