Markup Mode Guidance


David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...>
 

Hello NVDA Chat,
I am requesting your assist with a Microsoft support document. This
gives step-by-step directions on how to view comments made to a
thoroughly edited document. These are in what is called "markup mode".
Two Questions:
1. What is the SR Key in NVDA?
2. Are these steps universal or standard to screen readers regardless of make?
Here is the tutorial.
To change to All Markup mode, press Alt, R, T, D. The markup menu is
expanded and you hear the name of the currently selected markup.

In the markup list, press the Up or Down arrow key until you hear “All
Markup,” and press Enter to select. The focus returns to the body
text.

Press the SR key+Down arrow key to start continuous reading from your
current location in the text. You can also use your screen reader's
other keyboard commands to navigate, for example, line by line. Your
screen reader announces when it finds a comment in the text. To stop
reading, press Ctrl."

Will this turn off markup mode i.e., press control?

Sincerely,
--
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David Goldfield
 

I'm guessing that they are referring to the NVDA modifier key, which is usually the numpad insert key and/or possibly the caps lock key. By SR they probably are referring to screen reader. It could have been phrased much better.

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-----Original Message-----
From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Russell
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2022 2:28 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [chat] Markup Mode Guidance

Hello NVDA Chat,
I am requesting your assist with a Microsoft support document. This gives step-by-step directions on how to view comments made to a thoroughly edited document. These are in what is called "markup mode".
Two Questions:
1. What is the SR Key in NVDA?
2. Are these steps universal or standard to screen readers regardless of make?
Here is the tutorial.
To change to All Markup mode, press Alt, R, T, D. The markup menu is expanded and you hear the name of the currently selected markup.

In the markup list, press the Up or Down arrow key until you hear "All Markup," and press Enter to select. The focus returns to the body text.

Press the SR key+Down arrow key to start continuous reading from your current location in the text. You can also use your screen reader's other keyboard commands to navigate, for example, line by line. Your screen reader announces when it finds a comment in the text. To stop reading, press Ctrl."

Will this turn off markup mode i.e., press control?

Sincerely,
--
David C. Russell, Author
david.sonofhashem@...


David Goldfield
 

After reading your message again I realized that this is a generic set of instructions for screen readers and not specifically for NVDA. Considering this the insert+down arrow key does read continuously from the cursor position whether we're talking about Narrator, JAWS or NVDA. The SR key refers to the modifier key used by your screen reader, such as insert, caps lock, etc.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

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Sent: Monday, June 20, 2022 2:32 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [chat] Markup Mode Guidance

I'm guessing that they are referring to the NVDA modifier key, which is usually the numpad insert key and/or possibly the caps lock key. By SR they probably are referring to screen reader. It could have been phrased much better.

David Goldfield,
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-----Original Message-----
From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Russell
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2022 2:28 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [chat] Markup Mode Guidance

Hello NVDA Chat,
I am requesting your assist with a Microsoft support document. This gives step-by-step directions on how to view comments made to a thoroughly edited document. These are in what is called "markup mode".
Two Questions:
1. What is the SR Key in NVDA?
2. Are these steps universal or standard to screen readers regardless of make?
Here is the tutorial.
To change to All Markup mode, press Alt, R, T, D. The markup menu is expanded and you hear the name of the currently selected markup.

In the markup list, press the Up or Down arrow key until you hear "All Markup," and press Enter to select. The focus returns to the body text.

Press the SR key+Down arrow key to start continuous reading from your current location in the text. You can also use your screen reader's other keyboard commands to navigate, for example, line by line. Your screen reader announces when it finds a comment in the text. To stop reading, press Ctrl."

Will this turn off markup mode i.e., press control?

Sincerely,
--
David C. Russell, Author
david.sonofhashem@...


Howard Traxler
 

David Russell, you didn't say what editor you are using.  Is this markup thing part of your editor or your screen reader?  It's something that I've never used; but I'd like to get a look at it. But I don't know where it relates nor what it means.

Howard

On 6/20/2022 1:27 PM, David Russell wrote:
Hello NVDA Chat,
I am requesting your assist with a Microsoft support document. This
gives step-by-step directions on how to view comments made to a
thoroughly edited document. These are in what is called "markup mode".
Two Questions:
1. What is the SR Key in NVDA?
2. Are these steps universal or standard to screen readers regardless of make?
Here is the tutorial.
To change to All Markup mode, press Alt, R, T, D. The markup menu is
expanded and you hear the name of the currently selected markup.

In the markup list, press the Up or Down arrow key until you hear “All
Markup,” and press Enter to select. The focus returns to the body
text.

Press the SR key+Down arrow key to start continuous reading from your
current location in the text. You can also use your screen reader's
other keyboard commands to navigate, for example, line by line. Your
screen reader announces when it finds a comment in the text. To stop
reading, press Ctrl."

Will this turn off markup mode i.e., press control?

Sincerely,
--
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Some people actually write in a text editor using markup. I find it very confusing as its a little like going back to inserting control codes in text as in Wordstar with a dumb printer. The difference is that if done right you can load the file into word and its formatted correctly.
Never did appeal to me but if you are a user of many platforms, then I can see the appeal.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Traxler" <htraxler7@...>
To: <chat@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2022 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [chat] Markup Mode Guidance


David Russell, you didn't say what editor you are using. Is this markup thing part of your editor or your screen reader? It's something that I've never used; but I'd like to get a look at it. But I don't know where it relates nor what it means.

Howard

On 6/20/2022 1:27 PM, David Russell wrote:
Hello NVDA Chat,
I am requesting your assist with a Microsoft support document. This
gives step-by-step directions on how to view comments made to a
thoroughly edited document. These are in what is called "markup mode".
Two Questions:
1. What is the SR Key in NVDA?
2. Are these steps universal or standard to screen readers regardless of make?
Here is the tutorial.
To change to All Markup mode, press Alt, R, T, D. The markup menu is
expanded and you hear the name of the currently selected markup.

In the markup list, press the Up or Down arrow key until you hear “All
Markup,” and press Enter to select. The focus returns to the body
text.

Press the SR key+Down arrow key to start continuous reading from your
current location in the text. You can also use your screen reader's
other keyboard commands to navigate, for example, line by line. Your
screen reader announces when it finds a comment in the text. To stop
reading, press Ctrl."

Will this turn off markup mode i.e., press control?

Sincerely,
--
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This communication is deemed privileged and confidential and is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited.
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David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...>
 

Hello NVDA Chat,
First, thank you to David, Howard, and Brian for your responses to my request.
I was able to by and large gain access to the document and comments
within the document. I changed the Protected View in MS Word to
Unprotected View. Thus I read through the document and comments using
the View As HTML option.
Brian, I agree, this program by the outside service is somewhat
irksome, disconcerting, or convoluted on the ears at first. I was told
in an email this 'markup' is called Track Changes.


To answer Howard, I sent in a document to an online service called
ProofReadingPal.com.
They returned my document with 'markup' editorial feedback in the form
of word insertions, deletions, or corrected spelling within the
document.
I think this is similar to GoogleDocs from how I understand that to
present information.
The benefit with GDocs, is comments can be emailed to the writer if
preset, and those comment emails are in sequence from first to last.
You need to know your document or have the commenter hint to what
their comment specifically is directed.
The service used by me did not offer a choice of how I wanted
feedback. I knew that from the start.

David, thanks for the term clarifications; yes, it could have been
worded with better clarity, hmm.

All the best,

--
David C. Russell, Author
david.sonofhashem@...


Brian's Mail list account
 

Ah track changes is not mark up. Mark up is almost a language of formatting like html. What track changes does and its in Word of course, is to keep a record of the history of the document, so beside each change is the old words or spelling. Unfortunately as has been mentioned here recently this falls to bits when you save the file as html as the hidden history splurges all over the document, or at least appears to and the only way to get back is to stay in normal mode, cut the whole document and then save the doc as that, then start a new document and paste the old one into that and then save as html, as then the hidden changes are not shown.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@...>
To: <chat@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2022 3:32 PM
Subject: [chat] Markup Mode Guidance


Hello NVDA Chat,
First, thank you to David, Howard, and Brian for your responses to my request.
I was able to by and large gain access to the document and comments
within the document. I changed the Protected View in MS Word to
Unprotected View. Thus I read through the document and comments using
the View As HTML option.
Brian, I agree, this program by the outside service is somewhat
irksome, disconcerting, or convoluted on the ears at first. I was told
in an email this 'markup' is called Track Changes.


To answer Howard, I sent in a document to an online service called
ProofReadingPal.com.
They returned my document with 'markup' editorial feedback in the form
of word insertions, deletions, or corrected spelling within the
document.
I think this is similar to GoogleDocs from how I understand that to
present information.
The benefit with GDocs, is comments can be emailed to the writer if
preset, and those comment emails are in sequence from first to last.
You need to know your document or have the commenter hint to what
their comment specifically is directed.
The service used by me did not offer a choice of how I wanted
feedback. I knew that from the start.

David, thanks for the term clarifications; yes, it could have been
worded with better clarity, hmm.

All the best,

--
David C. Russell, Author
david.sonofhashem@...