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Mary Otten
I have this pdf file that, when I open it in Adobe Acrobat reader dc, has a bunch of unwanted capital letter a all throughout, making the document exceedingly difficult to read.
I sent a note to the provider of the document explaining my problem, and she got back to me saying that their pdf does not have this extraneous letter. She sent me a copy direct to my inbox; it exhibits the very same problem. Has anybody seen this, and if so, how did you fix it if you did? I'd be happy to try sending it to somebody directly if interested, assuming it will send ok. Since I got it directly, maybe I can send itm, i.e. its not too large to send in direct email? Mary |
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JM Casey
Maybe the extra characters are the result of oCR. I know Adobe Acrobat can do OCR, and perhaps it can be set to do so automatically (I haven't really used Acrobat in a while).
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But sure, feel free to send it privately and I"ll takea look at it. -----Original Message-----
From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: January 16, 2023 3:09 PM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: [chat] problem with a pdf file I have this pdf file that, when I open it in Adobe Acrobat reader dc, has a bunch of unwanted capital letter a all throughout, making the document exceedingly difficult to read. I sent a note to the provider of the document explaining my problem, and she got back to me saying that their pdf does not have this extraneous letter. She sent me a copy direct to my inbox; it exhibits the very same problem. Has anybody seen this, and if so, how did you fix it if you did? I'd be happy to try sending it to somebody directly if interested, assuming it will send ok. Since I got it directly, maybe I can send itm, i.e. its not too large to send in direct email? Mary |
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On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 03:09 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
I'd be happy to try sending it to somebody directly if interested, assuming it will send ok.- I'll be happy to take a look as well. If it was sent to you the second time with nothing private in the message to which it's attached, simply forward that message. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) Journalism 101: If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true. ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed) |
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Gene
I don't think the problem is OCR being done on the file. Acrobat doesn't automatically do OCR by default and this doesn't sound like any expected OCR behavior.
I think it is a problem in how the file is rendered so a screen-reader reads it, some character in the file appears to be causing problems. When I get a PDF that has odd characters in it, I have an OCR program perform OCR on the file as the first correction attempt. If you need an exact copy of the original, that won't be suitable but in general, if the goal is to read the file it may solve the problem. Also, performing OCR may either correct or greatly reduce columns of text being misplaced or blocks of text being misplaced. I use Openbook for OCR and I see that people have offered to help with the document. I'll OCR it and send you the results if you want. Gene |
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Brian's Mail list account
Also, I have seen this and a tendency for spaces to be missing for long passages. For some odd reason doing open in and selecting Edge nearly always fixes it for reading.
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I cannot understand quite why, but at a guess its that the PDF was produced by something else, not Adobes software. Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <chat@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2023 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [chat] problem with a pdf file I don't think the problem is OCR being done on the file. Acrobat doesn't automatically do OCR by default and this doesn't sound like any expected OCR behavior. |
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Gene
I haven't compared regarding spaces in some documents, I don't work with many PDF documents. But, while using Edge opens large documents much faster than Acrobat, Edge doesn't recognize tables and present them so you can read them with table reading commands. Edge is fine for a lot of documents but if tables are important in a document, it isn't.
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GEne On 1/17/2023 9:08 AM, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:
Also, I have seen this and a tendency for spaces to be missing for long passages. For some odd reason doing open in and selecting Edge nearly always fixes it for reading. |
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Mary Otten
Well, I sent this file to a friend who has Acrobat pro. He's also blind but using jaws, not NVDA. He got the As too. Further into the document, things got messed up because columns are all jumbled up etc. And that was true when I put the doc on my phone, where I didn't see the As, but did have no luck being able to actually make sense of the document because whatever the page layout is, it didn't translate well into something that a speech user could deal with. Annoying, since I paid for it! At least the folk who sent the doc say they'll look into it. We'll see.
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Mary On 1/17/2023 7:14 AM, Gene wrote:
I haven't compared regarding spaces in some documents, I don't work with many PDF documents. But, while using Edge opens large documents much faster than Acrobat, Edge doesn't recognize tables and present them so you can read them with table reading commands. Edge is fine for a lot of documents but if tables are important in a document, it isn't. |
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Gene
That doesn't mean you will have the same problem with an OCR version of the document. I don't know if you will to an extent but OCR may solve these problems. If you want to send me the document, I'll perform OCR on it and send it to you. If you don't, that's fine but this is a well known way of possibly solving problems.
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Gene On 1/17/2023 10:25 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
Well, I sent this file to a friend who has Acrobat pro. He's also blind but using jaws, not NVDA. He got the As too. Further into the document, things got messed up because columns are all jumbled up etc. And that was true when I put the doc on my phone, where I didn't see the As, but did have no luck being able to actually make sense of the document because whatever the page layout is, it didn't translate well into something that a speech user could deal with. Annoying, since I paid for it! At least the folk who sent the doc say they'll look into it. We'll see. |
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Brian's Mail list account
They have not tagged it then. They are supposed to tag every change to reading order, though I have forgotten most of this, it seems odd to me that all these years later on, The writers of PDF makers do not force the user to flag reading order changes.
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Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mary Otten" <maryotten@...> To: <chat@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2023 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [chat] problem with a pdf file Well, I sent this file to a friend who has Acrobat pro. He's also blind but using jaws, not NVDA. He got the As too. Further into the document, things got messed up because columns are all jumbled up etc. And that was true when I put the doc on my phone, where I didn't see the As, but did have no luck being able to actually make sense of the document because whatever the page layout is, it didn't translate well into something that a speech user could deal with. Annoying, since I paid for it! At least the folk who sent the doc say they'll look into it. We'll see. |
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