question about the new email program
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Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, everyone,
I did some research on this new email program that’s supposed to be replacing the mail app. Will it be able to work with gmail? I understand right now it doesn’t work with gmail. Have you heard about this new email program?
Rosemarie
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Rosemarie,
If you have any details (e.g., articles) about this reported replacement for the Windows 10/11 Mail App, please share them. I've not heard a thing about them. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) Let me hasten to add that I *do* like cologne. I just much prefer it as a subtle hint instead of an aromachete. ~ Clay Colwell |
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No, link please?
From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023 11:24 AM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: [NVDA Chat] question about the new email program
Hi, everyone,
I did some research on this new email program that’s supposed to be replacing the mail app. Will it be able to work with gmail? I understand right now it doesn’t work with gmail. Have you heard about this new email program?
Rosemarie
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Shaun Oliver
Yes, I too would like a link and to know what it is called.
Shaun Oliver
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From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2023 9:26 AM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [NVDA Chat] question about the new email program
No, link please?
From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, everyone,
I did some research on this new email program that’s supposed to be replacing the mail app. Will it be able to work with gmail? I understand right now it doesn’t work with gmail. Have you heard about this new email program?
Rosemarie
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Gene
Why do you think it doesn't work with GMail? Did you see it in a
reputable article or see the statement from a reliable person?
there is an enormous amount of incorrect information on the Internet
and if something sounds as though it is wrong, it probably is. I
see no reason why any standard e-mail program or app shouldn't be
able to work with GMail, but I await more information before
reaching a conclusion.
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Gene On 3/25/2023 1:23 PM, Rosemarie
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I think this is what we are looking for. I found this as part of the number 1 search result on google. It looks interesting but at the same time kind of, meh. I’m not interested.
From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Oliver
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023 4:35 PM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [NVDA Chat] question about the new email program
Yes, I too would like a link and to know what it is called.
Shaun Oliver
VK5ESE
Independent Adaptive Technology Consultant,
Recording Engineer,
Voiceover Artist,
Session Guitarist.
ABN: 22335298446
'For what it's worth: It's never too late to be whoever you want to be. I hope you live a life you're proud of, and if you find that you're not, I hope you have the strength to start over.' – F. Scott Fitzgerald
Mobile and Whatsapp: +61477836199
Twitter and Telegram: @blindman75
From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
No, link please?
From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, everyone,
I did some research on this new email program that’s supposed to be replacing the mail app. Will it be able to work with gmail? I understand right now it doesn’t work with gmail. Have you heard about this new email program?
Rosemarie
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Sarah,
Note the date on that article. Project Monarch/One Outlook has been being talked about and various insiders versions released (and leaked) since 2021. That article dates from 2022. I found one myself dating from January - saying the same thing that all the earlier chatter did. I have no doubt that One Outlook, or whatever they will call it by the time it hits the streets, is coming, but I have no idea when and neither, it seems, does the tech press, contrary to their breathless pronouncements. I have no doubt that when it finally appears it will be accessible and work with any email provider. Microsoft isn't going to shoot itself in the foot by doing otherwise, because too many people who use Microsoft's email clients and Outlook.com webmail use them to access email outside Microsoft's own ecosystem. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) Let me hasten to add that I *do* like cologne. I just much prefer it as a subtle hint instead of an aromachete. ~ Clay Colwell |
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P.S. If One Outlook/Project Monarch does eventually supplant the Mail App under Windows 10 and 11, you can also be reasonably certain that part of that transition will be having the installer for One Outlook automatically transition your accounts, as they stand in the Mail App, into it, along with existing messages (if someone happens to be using POP, that's not needed for IMAP or Exchange, which handle storage on the server side).
-- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) Let me hasten to add that I *do* like cologne. I just much prefer it as a subtle hint instead of an aromachete. ~ Clay Colwell |
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Michael Hunsaker
Here is the Microsoft support page for it. It is just Outlook, TBH. Works fine with Gmail. The only glitchiness is the typical issues Outlook has --irrespective of using Gmail or 365 accounts. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/getting-started-with-the-new-outlook-for-windows-656bb8d9-5a60-49b2-a98b-ba7822bc7627
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On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 08:33 AM, Michael Hunsaker wrote:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/getting-started-with-the-new-outlook-for-windows-656bb8d9-5a60-49b2-a98b-ba7822bc7627- That's clearly an ancient piece of documentation from the earliest beta days for the Office Insider's program, though no date is actually given on the page. Now I see how people are getting the impression that the new Outlook (not to be confused with the existing Outlook.com or standalone Outlook email client) might not work with third party email providers. From the page you cited, on which the following is highlighted in its own box: Important: New Outlook for Windows supports Exchange-backed Microsoft 365 work or school accounts. Currently, the new Outlook for Windows does not support other account types like Gmail, Yahoo!, iCloud, or other account types connecting through POP/IMAP protocols. New Outlook for Windows also does not currently support On-Premises, Hybrid, or Sovereign Exchange deployments. Obviously, that could never continue to be the situation in the final released version, but for whatever Office Insider version was being discussed there, it was. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) Let me hasten to add that I *do* like cologne. I just much prefer it as a subtle hint instead of an aromachete. ~ Clay Colwell |
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Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, Gene,
I did the research on duckduckgo and there was an article by microsoft. It could be misinformation so I’ll just wait and see what happens.
Rosemarie
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From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023 5:34 PM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [NVDA Chat] question about the new email program
Why do you think it doesn't work with GMail? Did you see it in a reputable article or see the statement from a reliable person? there is an enormous amount of incorrect information on the Internet and if something sounds as though it is wrong, it probably is. I see no reason why any standard e-mail program or app shouldn't be able to work with GMail, but I await more information before reaching a conclusion. On 3/25/2023 1:23 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
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Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, Brian,
I saw that same article that you mentioned in your message.
Rosemarie
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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2023 7:55 AM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [NVDA Chat] question about the new email program
On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 08:33 AM, Michael Hunsaker wrote: - Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) Let me hasten to add that I *do* like cologne. I just much prefer it as a subtle hint instead of an aromachete. ~ Clay Colwell
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Dave Grossoehme
What's the name of the email program you are referencing in this message? Dave
On 3/25/2023 2:23 PM, Rosemarie
Chavarria wrote:
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Rosemarie Chavarria
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From: Dave Grossoehme
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2023 8:07 AM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [NVDA Chat] question about the new email program
What's the name of the email program you are referencing in this message? Dave
On 3/25/2023 2:23 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
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No one knows for certain what it will be called upon release. My bet, among the names Microsoft itself has used, is One Outlook. Project Monarch was the internal code name and Outlook for Windows was used during some of the insider previews that were released. Only time will tell, though. But one thing is certain, Microsoft is not going to drop "Outlook" from the final name.
-- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) Let me hasten to add that I *do* like cologne. I just much prefer it as a subtle hint instead of an aromachete. ~ Clay Colwell |
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Robert Cole
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I saw Outlook for Windows in the Microsoft Store. I have not tried it yet. I read somewhere that people wasn’t happy that it was a Web app. Rob
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Rosemarie Chavarria
If it’s a web app, I don’t think I’ll try it. I’ll probably go to something like thunderbird if they remove the mail app.
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From: Robert Cole via groups.io
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2023 12:15 PM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [NVDA Chat] question about the new email program
Hi, I saw Outlook for Windows in the Microsoft Store. I have not tried it yet. I read somewhere that people wasn’t happy that it was a Web app.
Rob
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Define what "web app" means to you.
I just had a private discussion with someone else who considers many of the apps from the Microsoft Store to be "web apps" because they heavily relied heavily on the open source Electron software framework, which Microsoft has jettisoned for it's own Edge WebView 2 rendering engine. I don't, as all sorts of things (including the Mail App, Teams, and plenty more) rely on underlying web technology but the user interface is not, in any meaningful way, contained in what any of us recognizes as or thinks of as a web browser. If it isn't running within a web browser itself (and the one of your choosing) then it's not a web app, in my opinion. The yet to be released new email app will be much like all the other modern Windows apps, and will not run in anything that presents as a web browser. The Mail App is not a web app in any meaningful sense of the phrase, to me. Neither will its replacement be. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) Let me hasten to add that I *do* like cologne. I just much prefer it as a subtle hint instead of an aromachete. ~ Clay Colwell |
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Luke Davis
Ironically, Thunderbird, the "alternative" to the hated web apps, is in fact the quintessential web app. It's kind of the O.G. of web apps.
It is literally and admittedly based upon, and written within, a version of Firefox. That browser window it has isn't just there to be (in)convenient; it's a side effect of the way the thing is written. It does not need the web to function, but then, neither do a lot of the apps written in the various webish frameworks. Luke |
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On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 01:34 AM, Luke Davis wrote:
It is literally and admittedly based upon, and written within, a version of Firefox.- Which is, itself a spin off of SeaMonkey, which still exists, but is no longer under the Mozilla Foundation's control. They spun off Firefox and Thunderbird from it. And now Thunderbird itself is a sort of semi-independent entity. As you've noted, I don't know of a single person who looks at Thunderbird from the perspective of a user and thinks, "web app," even though web-related technologies are a core part of the code. I don't go for the idea that because something pulls in other convenient libraries, functions, etc., developed for some other purpose that it makes the thing using them "that other purpose." Web apps have to run in a web browser, pure and simple. If it runs standalone, regardless of its container, and you cannot directly escape to the web for browsing within it, it's not a web app. Things like webmail, many course content management systems (e.g., Moodle, Blackboard), and the like are web apps. They are invoked within a web browser and the UI for them is entirely presented within it. That's a web app. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) Let me hasten to add that I *do* like cologne. I just much prefer it as a subtle hint instead of an aromachete. ~ Clay Colwell |
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