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Reading Subtitles with NVDA or Any Other TTS

Marcio
 

Hey folks,
Would anyone know of a player that allow us to read subtitles from a movie or something like that using NVDA or TTS at all?
Once, KM Player would do it just fine, however, it was just today that I felt like watching something while a voice would speak things going on the screen, because at that time I was considering it to be actually rather annoying, and today I'm missing it. Funny how things are, isn't it?
Well, the thing is, KM Player, on the latest versions, apparently doesn't allow one to read subtitles using NVDA or any other TTS system at all. Or if it does, I definitely don't know where I could find it.
So, would anyone know:
1. Does KM Player still have this feature?
2. If so, how can I access it?
3. If not, then there is another player which will let me just do it?

Thanks in advance guys :)
 
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Brian Vogel
 

I stayed out of this one because I don't know the answer, but I have a question for you based upon the request:  How, exactly, would that work?

I guess it could if one had the actual movie soundtrack volume at zero and read only the subtitles, but that would result in the loss of a lot of context conveyed in tone of voice, with background score, etc.

I'm trying to understand how you'd do this in practice.  If the movie sound, and dialog, were still playing I'd imagine the overlap between TTS and the actual media content would be maddening.
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Marcio
 

Brian,
Actually you already have the whole picture from it, even not knowing it!
That's why I said I used to consider it rather annoying. Because, using this feature, that's precisely what happens. Since no one is going to slow the volume all the way down just for hearing the subtitles being read, then one needs to deal with both TTS and whoever may be talking on whatever one happen to be watching.
For example, watching a movie, the TTS will speak the subtitles at the very same time that some character is talking. It's hard to get used to, and I'm not even sure I'll manage to do just it.
However, let's try it :)

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Em 19/04/2019 12:09, Brian Vogel disse:

I stayed out of this one because I don't know the answer, but I have a question for you based upon the request:  How, exactly, would that work?

I guess it could if one had the actual movie soundtrack volume at zero and read only the subtitles, but that would result in the loss of a lot of context conveyed in tone of voice, with background score, etc.

I'm trying to understand how you'd do this in practice.  If the movie sound, and dialog, were still playing I'd imagine the overlap between TTS and the actual media content would be maddening.
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A learning experience is one of those things that say, "You know that thing you just did?  Don't do that."

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Brian Vogel
 

As someone who has slight hearing loss, and uses closed captions routinely so that I can get "whispering passages" or dialog where it's buried in other sound, I know I'd be driven over the edge of insanity were something reading the closed captions/subtitles simultaneously with the dialog.  I know for myself I'd end up catching neither, leaving me in a worse position than making the choice to use one or the other.

Best of luck in trying to wrap your ears and mind around simultaneous sound and TTS captions!
--

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A learning experience is one of those things that say, "You know that thing you just did?  Don't do that."

           ~ Douglas Adams (1952-2001)

Gene
 

At times, I read movie scripts instead of watching the movie so I'll know what happens in places where the action can't be followed.  but I don't know if that would be a good idea in this case, to just read the titles.  &You might miss all sorts of sound cues that tell you what is going on.  and I doubt the titles tell you who is speaking.  Perhaps you could have the screen-reader at a normal volume and the movie playing at a soft volume to provide such information but I have no idea if that would be at all satisfactory.
 
Gene

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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 11:08 AM
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As someone who has slight hearing loss, and uses closed captions routinely so that I can get "whispering passages" or dialog where it's buried in other sound, I know I'd be driven over the edge of insanity were something reading the closed captions/subtitles simultaneously with the dialog.  I know for myself I'd end up catching neither, leaving me in a worse position than making the choice to use one or the other.

Best of luck in trying to wrap your ears and mind around simultaneous sound and TTS captions!
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

A learning experience is one of those things that say, "You know that thing you just did?  Don't do that."

           ~ Douglas Adams (1952-2001)

Marcio
 

Gene,
Are you saying that at times you REALLY will read scripts instead of watching a movie at all? Like you are reading a book?

Re the screen reader at a normal volume and such, well, that's what the folks using this "technique" would do, however when I first tried it I couldn't get used to two things talking on my ears and this was driving me crazy apart from not letting me understand just what I was trying to watch.
However, as I said, at the risk of get this very same experience again, I want to try it once more :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Em 19/04/2019 14:25, Gene disse:

At times, I read movie scripts instead of watching the movie so I'll know what happens in places where the action can't be followed.  but I don't know if that would be a good idea in this case, to just read the titles.  &You might miss all sorts of sound cues that tell you what is going on.  and I doubt the titles tell you who is speaking.  Perhaps you could have the screen-reader at a normal volume and the movie playing at a soft volume to provide such information but I have no idea if that would be at all satisfactory.
 
Gene
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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [chat] Reading Subtitles with NVDA or Any Other TTS

As someone who has slight hearing loss, and uses closed captions routinely so that I can get "whispering passages" or dialog where it's buried in other sound, I know I'd be driven over the edge of insanity were something reading the closed captions/subtitles simultaneously with the dialog.  I know for myself I'd end up catching neither, leaving me in a worse position than making the choice to use one or the other.

Best of luck in trying to wrap your ears and mind around simultaneous sound and TTS captions!
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

A learning experience is one of those things that say, "You know that thing you just did?  Don't do that."

           ~ Douglas Adams (1952-2001)


Gene
 

Sometimes if a movie isn't described and sometimes because I'm not a member of services like Netflicks, (spelling) I read a script.
 
Gene

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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [chat] Reading Subtitles with NVDA or Any Other TTS

Gene,
Are you saying that at times you REALLY will read scripts instead of watching a movie at all? Like you are reading a book?

Re the screen reader at a normal volume and such, well, that's what the folks using this "technique" would do, however when I first tried it I couldn't get used to two things talking on my ears and this was driving me crazy apart from not letting me understand just what I was trying to watch.
However, as I said, at the risk of get this very same experience again, I want to try it once more :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Em 19/04/2019 14:25, Gene disse:
At times, I read movie scripts instead of watching the movie so I'll know what happens in places where the action can't be followed.  but I don't know if that would be a good idea in this case, to just read the titles.  &You might miss all sorts of sound cues that tell you what is going on.  and I doubt the titles tell you who is speaking.  Perhaps you could have the screen-reader at a normal volume and the movie playing at a soft volume to provide such information but I have no idea if that would be at all satisfactory.
 
Gene
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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [chat] Reading Subtitles with NVDA or Any Other TTS

As someone who has slight hearing loss, and uses closed captions routinely so that I can get "whispering passages" or dialog where it's buried in other sound, I know I'd be driven over the edge of insanity were something reading the closed captions/subtitles simultaneously with the dialog.  I know for myself I'd end up catching neither, leaving me in a worse position than making the choice to use one or the other.

Best of luck in trying to wrap your ears and mind around simultaneous sound and TTS captions!
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

A learning experience is one of those things that say, "You know that thing you just did?  Don't do that."

           ~ Douglas Adams (1952-2001)


JM Casey
 

Brian, this is why I prefer to use a braille display for subtitles. Of  course, my method of simply copying the .srt files to the old Braille Note Mpower and attempting to read along is far from foolproof. It is sometimes hard to catch up with the dialogue. Still better than having the actors constantly being interrupted though.

 

 

 

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Sent: April 19, 2019 12:09 PM
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As someone who has slight hearing loss, and uses closed captions routinely so that I can get "whispering passages" or dialog where it's buried in other sound, I know I'd be driven over the edge of insanity were something reading the closed captions/subtitles simultaneously with the dialog.  I know for myself I'd end up catching neither, leaving me in a worse position than making the choice to use one or the other.

Best of luck in trying to wrap your ears and mind around simultaneous sound and TTS captions!
--

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A lot of people either do not have the skills for reading that way or indeed the budget to buy one even though there are a couple of cheaper ones.
This of course is where two sound cards could be very handy on a pc.
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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 8:18 PM
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Brian, this is why I prefer to use a braille display for subtitles. Of course, my method of simply copying the .srt files to the old Braille Note Mpower and attempting to read along is far from foolproof. It is sometimes hard to catch up with the dialogue. Still better than having the actors constantly being interrupted though.







From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: April 19, 2019 12:09 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [chat] Reading Subtitles with NVDA or Any Other TTS



As someone who has slight hearing loss, and uses closed captions routinely so that I can get "whispering passages" or dialog where it's buried in other sound, I know I'd be driven over the edge of insanity were something reading the closed captions/subtitles simultaneously with the dialog. I know for myself I'd end up catching neither, leaving me in a worse position than making the choice to use one or the other.

Best of luck in trying to wrap your ears and mind around simultaneous sound and TTS captions!
--

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A learning experience is one of those things that say, "You know that thing you just did? Don't do that."

~ Douglas Adams (1952-2001)

JM Casey
 

Sure, and my BN is very old as is. I'd love to get a new braille display device, but that's out of my budget, too.

Two soundcards -- maybe, if you could have the screen-reader running on a small speaker, maybe placed closer to you than the speakers delivering the sound output from the film.
I still think braille is the best option for those who can do it, though.

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A lot of people either do not have the skills for reading that way or indeed the budget to buy one even though there are a couple of cheaper ones.
This of course is where two sound cards could be very handy on a pc.
Brian

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Brian, this is why I prefer to use a braille display for subtitles. Of
course, my method of simply copying the .srt files to the old Braille Note
Mpower and attempting to read along is far from foolproof. It is sometimes
hard to catch up with the dialogue. Still better than having the actors
constantly being interrupted though.







From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: April 19, 2019 12:09 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [chat] Reading Subtitles with NVDA or Any Other TTS



As someone who has slight hearing loss, and uses closed captions routinely
so that I can get "whispering passages" or dialog where it's buried in other
sound, I know I'd be driven over the edge of insanity were something reading
the closed captions/subtitles simultaneously with the dialog. I know for
myself I'd end up catching neither, leaving me in a worse position than
making the choice to use one or the other.

Best of luck in trying to wrap your ears and mind around simultaneous sound
and TTS captions!
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

A learning experience is one of those things that say, "You know that thing
you just did? Don't do that."

~ Douglas Adams (1952-2001)

Gene
 

I don't see any advantage in having two sound cards in this case.  You can set the volume of the movie audio at the level you want and your screen-reader at the level you want.  The Windows volume control, starting in Windows 7, maybe in Vista, allows you to set every opened audio source separately.
 
Gene

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A lot of people either do not have the skills for reading that way or indeed
the budget to buy one even though there are a couple of cheaper ones.
 This of course is where two sound cards could be very handy on a pc.
 Brian

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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [chat] Reading Subtitles with NVDA or Any Other TTS


Brian, this is why I prefer to use a braille display for subtitles. Of
course, my method of simply copying the .srt files to the old Braille Note
Mpower and attempting to read along is far from foolproof. It is sometimes
hard to catch up with the dialogue. Still better than having the actors
constantly being interrupted though.







From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: April 19, 2019 12:09 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [chat] Reading Subtitles with NVDA or Any Other TTS



As someone who has slight hearing loss, and uses closed captions routinely
so that I can get "whispering passages" or dialog where it's buried in other
sound, I know I'd be driven over the edge of insanity were something reading
the closed captions/subtitles simultaneously with the dialog.  I know for
myself I'd end up catching neither, leaving me in a worse position than
making the choice to use one or the other.

Best of luck in trying to wrap your ears and mind around simultaneous sound
and TTS captions!
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

A learning experience is one of those things that say, "You know that thing
you just did?  Don't do that."

           ~ Douglas Adams (1952-2001)









JM Casey
 

In this case though you could have the other soundcard working through a different speaker. I could see that being a potential preference. As I said, my own is definitely braille, but subtitles are just one of those grey areas where the solution is going to be whatever makes people happy. Some people apparently listen to non-english TV shows with english-described audio, including the subtitles themselves – I think that’s totally nuts, but to each their own.

 

 

From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: April 19, 2019 4:30 PM
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I don't see any advantage in having two sound cards in this case.  You can set the volume of the movie audio at the level you want and your screen-reader at the level you want.  The Windows volume control, starting in Windows 7, maybe in Vista, allows you to set every opened audio source separately.

 

Gene

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A lot of people either do not have the skills for reading that way or indeed
the budget to buy one even though there are a couple of cheaper ones.
 This of course is where two sound cards could be very handy on a pc.
 Brian

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Brian, this is why I prefer to use a braille display for subtitles. Of
course, my method of simply copying the .srt files to the old Braille Note
Mpower and attempting to read along is far from foolproof. It is sometimes
hard to catch up with the dialogue. Still better than having the actors
constantly being interrupted though.







From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: April 19, 2019 12:09 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [chat] Reading Subtitles with NVDA or Any Other TTS



As someone who has slight hearing loss, and uses closed captions routinely
so that I can get "whispering passages" or dialog where it's buried in other
sound, I know I'd be driven over the edge of insanity were something reading
the closed captions/subtitles simultaneously with the dialog.  I know for
myself I'd end up catching neither, leaving me in a worse position than
making the choice to use one or the other.

Best of luck in trying to wrap your ears and mind around simultaneous sound
and TTS captions!
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

A learning experience is one of those things that say, "You know that thing
you just did?  Don't do that."

           ~ Douglas Adams (1952-2001)








Gene
 

I'm not sure if that is an advantage or not.  I hadn't thought of it when I wrote my message. 
 
Gene

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From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [chat] Reading Subtitles with NVDA or Any Other TTS

In this case though you could have the other soundcard working through a different speaker. I could see that being a potential preference. As I said, my own is definitely braille, but subtitles are just one of those grey areas where the solution is going to be whatever makes people happy. Some people apparently listen to non-english TV shows with english-described audio, including the subtitles themselves – I think that’s totally nuts, but to each their own.

 

 

From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: April 19, 2019 4:30 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [chat] Reading Subtitles with NVDA or Any Other TTS

 

I don't see any advantage in having two sound cards in this case.  You can set the volume of the movie audio at the level you want and your screen-reader at the level you want.  The Windows volume control, starting in Windows 7, maybe in Vista, allows you to set every opened audio source separately.

 

Gene

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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 2:44 PM

Subject: Re: [chat] Reading Subtitles with NVDA or Any Other TTS

 

A lot of people either do not have the skills for reading that way or indeed
the budget to buy one even though there are a couple of cheaper ones.
 This of course is where two sound cards could be very handy on a pc.
 Brian

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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [chat] Reading Subtitles with NVDA or Any Other TTS


Brian, this is why I prefer to use a braille display for subtitles. Of
course, my method of simply copying the .srt files to the old Braille Note
Mpower and attempting to read along is far from foolproof. It is sometimes
hard to catch up with the dialogue. Still better than having the actors
constantly being interrupted though.







From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: April 19, 2019 12:09 PM
To: chat@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [chat] Reading Subtitles with NVDA or Any Other TTS



As someone who has slight hearing loss, and uses closed captions routinely
so that I can get "whispering passages" or dialog where it's buried in other
sound, I know I'd be driven over the edge of insanity were something reading
the closed captions/subtitles simultaneously with the dialog.  I know for
myself I'd end up catching neither, leaving me in a worse position than
making the choice to use one or the other.

Best of luck in trying to wrap your ears and mind around simultaneous sound
and TTS captions!
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

A learning experience is one of those things that say, "You know that thing
you just did?  Don't do that."

           ~ Douglas Adams (1952-2001)








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