searching for NVDA topics


Giles Turnbull
 

Hi all, I'm posting this in the chat group because it's probably
something very simple that I'm missing! I know how to search the group
archive and I often use that to find answers to things I can remember
already having been asked.

But I was going to search for a tutorial on using Google Docs, which I
know I've seen discussed a few times ... and I can't find the search
page anywhere! I'm sure there is usually a link near the part where
you can view your personal account information, and the link to
logout. But today there is no text at all that mentions searching!

I have expanded all of the collapsible menues, and an option to search
does not seem to appear for me!

Could somebody tell me (or remind me) how to search for topics?

Many thanks,

Giles


 

Giles, 

All Groups.io group archive pages have the search box.  Every once in a while there may be some sort of loading burp and that element doesn't show up, but it's rare.

I'd go back and try again.  It's located exactly where you describe when everything's working as it should.  For something like Google Docs enclose that phrase in quotes so you don't get things with just Google or just Docs.
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    ~ John Rogers


 

Giles,

Also, these are two tutorials I've written about working with any group's archive pages in Groups.io:

Searching a Groups.io Topics Page/Archive

Browsing a Groups.io Topics Page/Archive

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged.  One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

    ~ John Rogers


Giles Turnbull
 

Thanks, Brian. I know how to search a group's archive page ... but the
search link just isn't showing up for me today ... and I've restarted
my computer too which didn't bring it back. Maybe it'll return
tomorrow :)

Giles

On 11/11/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Giles,

Also, these are two tutorials I've written about working with any group's
archive pages in Groups.io:

*Searching a Groups.io Topics Page/Archive* (
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1HczDVJcIHqun9Ne2e4RlYbzHZBDLy6CN
)

*Browsing a Groups.io Topics Page/Archive* (
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1M3O2CIUjsXJFvOl18zUkGDncrMZmo0Sg
)

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045

*There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life:
The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged.  One is a childish fantasy that
often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading
to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with
the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.*

~ John Rogers






 

Giles,

Clear your browser cache.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged.  One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

    ~ John Rogers


Gene
 

I just checked a groups page.  I don't have a search link.  There is a search edit field.  I don't know how you are looking at the page but if you look for an edit field, do you find the correct one?

Also, are you sure you are on the message page?  I went to a group's home page and found nothing pertaining to search but when I followed the messages link from the home page, the edit link was there.

Gene

On 11/11/2022 4:41 PM, Giles Turnbull wrote:

Thanks, Brian. I know how to search a group's archive page ... but the
search link just isn't showing up for me today ... and I've restarted
my computer too which didn't bring it back. Maybe it'll return
tomorrow :)

Giles

On 11/11/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Giles,

Also, these are two tutorials I've written about working with any group's
archive pages in Groups.io:

*Searching a Groups.io Topics Page/Archive* (
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1HczDVJcIHqun9Ne2e4RlYbzHZBDLy6CN
)

*Browsing a Groups.io Topics Page/Archive* (
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1M3O2CIUjsXJFvOl18zUkGDncrMZmo0Sg
)

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045

*There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life:
The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged.  One is a childish fantasy that
often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading
to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with
the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.*

~ John Rogers












Giles Turnbull
 

to Answer Gene and Brian together,

Brian, I suspect that you are correct and that clearing my cookies
will solve the problem. I am always reluctant to do that, because it
wipes so many bits of website customisations that are operating ...
but I just checked on one of my laptops (rather than my tablet) and
there, below links to drafts, chats, subgroups, directories and
calendars, is the search box that Gene suggested. None of those links,
nor the search box are appearing on my tablet at the moment, nor is
the text "search" when I try and find it using the NVDA+CTRL+f search.

What is strange though, is that I almost never view NVDA using Google
Chrome browser, but when I tried tonight the same links and text box
were also missing. Chrome and Firefox don't share cookies, do they?

Giles

On 11/11/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I just checked a groups page.  I don't have a search link.  There is a
search edit field.  I don't know how you are looking at the page but if
you look for an edit field, do you find the correct one?

Also, are you sure you are on the message page?  I went to a group's
home page and found nothing pertaining to search but when I followed the
messages link from the home page, the edit link was there.

Gene

On 11/11/2022 4:41 PM, Giles Turnbull wrote:
Thanks, Brian. I know how to search a group's archive page ... but the
search link just isn't showing up for me today ... and I've restarted
my computer too which didn't bring it back. Maybe it'll return
tomorrow :)

Giles

On 11/11/22, Brian Vogel<britechguy@...> wrote:
Giles,

Also, these are two tutorials I've written about working with any
group's
archive pages in Groups.io:

*Searching a Groups.io Topics Page/Archive* (
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1HczDVJcIHqun9Ne2e4RlYbzHZBDLy6CN
)

*Browsing a Groups.io Topics Page/Archive* (
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1M3O2CIUjsXJFvOl18zUkGDncrMZmo0Sg
)

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045

*There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's
life:
The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged.  One is a childish fantasy
that
often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes,
leading
to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal
with
the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.*

~ John Rogers












Gene
 

I'm sure they don't share cookies and I wouldn't remove cookies as a first step.  The first thing you can do, which is nondestructive, is to block cookies.  If you block all cookies, that will leave all your cookies, but sites won't see them so it will be as though you had deleted them.

But since you don't see the edit field using two browsers, I'm doubtful that cookies are the problem.

Are you sure you are on the messages page for a specific group when you go to the site with the tablet?

Gene

On 11/11/2022 5:24 PM, Giles Turnbull wrote:
to Answer Gene and Brian together,

Brian, I suspect that you are correct and that clearing my cookies
will solve the problem. I am always reluctant to do that, because it
wipes so many bits of website customisations that are operating ...
but I just checked on one of my laptops (rather than my tablet) and
there, below links to drafts, chats, subgroups, directories and
calendars, is the search box that Gene suggested. None of those links,
nor the search box are appearing on my tablet at the moment, nor is
the text "search" when I try and find it using the NVDA+CTRL+f search.

What is strange though, is that I almost never view NVDA using Google
Chrome browser, but when I tried tonight the same links and text box
were also missing. Chrome and Firefox don't share cookies, do they?

Giles

On 11/11/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I just checked a groups page.  I don't have a search link.  There is a
search edit field.  I don't know how you are looking at the page but if
you look for an edit field, do you find the correct one?

Also, are you sure you are on the message page?  I went to a group's
home page and found nothing pertaining to search but when I followed the
messages link from the home page, the edit link was there.

Gene

On 11/11/2022 4:41 PM, Giles Turnbull wrote:
Thanks, Brian. I know how to search a group's archive page ... but the
search link just isn't showing up for me today ... and I've restarted
my computer too which didn't bring it back. Maybe it'll return
tomorrow :)

Giles

On 11/11/22, Brian Vogel<britechguy@...> wrote:
Giles,

Also, these are two tutorials I've written about working with any
group's
archive pages in Groups.io:

*Searching a Groups.io Topics Page/Archive* (
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1HczDVJcIHqun9Ne2e4RlYbzHZBDLy6CN
)

*Browsing a Groups.io Topics Page/Archive* (
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1M3O2CIUjsXJFvOl18zUkGDncrMZmo0Sg
)

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045

*There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's
life:
The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged.  One is a childish fantasy
that
often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes,
leading
to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal
with
the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.*

~ John Rogers











 

Note Well:  I said clear browser cache.  That's different from cookies.  Those can stay in place.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged.  One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

    ~ John Rogers


Gene
 

The interesting thing is that the problem occurs on two browsers that have been tried.  I doubt that cache is the problem for that reason.  I think the first thing to be sure of is what page the person with the problem is on.  We need to be sure the person is on a page containing messages from the list.

Gene

On 11/11/2022 9:17 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Note Well:  I said clear browser cache.  That's different from cookies.  Those can stay in place.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged.  One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

    ~ John Rogers



 

Gene,

It's not that I don't agree with you.  However, when someone declares they have been doing this regularly, I have no reason not to believe them.  That's why I overlooked the use of "link" for search edit box.

For the NVDA Group, the archive is: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topics 

I mention this, and others, in the tutorial I posted the download link for.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged.  One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

    ~ John Rogers


Gene
 

That's what makes this an interesting problem.  You would expect the person to be going to the right page.  We'll have to see how things develop. 

Gene

On 11/11/2022 9:27 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Gene,

It's not that I don't agree with you.  However, when someone declares they have been doing this regularly, I have no reason not to believe them.  That's why I overlooked the use of "link" for search edit box.

For the NVDA Group, the archive is: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topics 

I mention this, and others, in the tutorial I posted the download link for.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged.  One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

    ~ John Rogers



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Sometimes on Virgin I find that the local cache in Virgin is the culprit. I don't know a sure fire way to get this to be updated, but it does eventually clear, if you keep requesting the updatd page.
Brian

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Note Well: I said clear browser cache. That's different from cookies. Those can stay in place.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045

*There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.*

~ John Rogers


Giles Turnbull
 

Hi Brian and Gene,

I suspect your original suggestions about clearing the Firefox cache
will be correct. When I go to the group archive link that Brian
provided, I don't get any search edit box. The way I normally search
for a topic didn't produce an edit box using Chrome browser either ...
but the link does produce one in Chrome.

Thanks both for your help :)

Giles
when I go to that link, there is no search field. There is a filter
option, and there are 20 of 100650 posts, with the option to move to
different results pages.

In none of the collapsed menus are there any search fields or links
... and, as I said earlier, I don't see search fields regardless of
whether I'm using Firefox or Chrome browser. This is only happening on
my tablet.

On 11/12/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Gene,

It's not that I don't agree with you. However, when someone declares they
have been doing this regularly, I have no reason not to believe them.
That's why I overlooked the use of "link" for search edit box.

For the NVDA Group, the archive is: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topics

I mention this, and others, in the tutorial I posted the download link for.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045

*There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life:
The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that
often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading
to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with
the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.*

~ John Rogers