shortcut keys going away on any/all Chrome based apps
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Dan Beaver
Hi,
I have Chrome, MS Edge and a couple of other browsers/apps I use. I am having a problem where every time they are updated the shortcut key I have defined for them goes away and I then have no shortcut key for them. I keep having to go into their desktop item and redefine them. They are then fine until another update.
Is there a reliable way to set a shortcut key for these and have them continue even after updates to the desktop items? I have tried searching for solutions and am finding nothing, probably just searching incorrectly but I can't figure out how to find anything on this.
Thanks for any help.
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Gene
I have no idea why its happening. I haven't defined short cut keys
for Chrome browsers because I mostly use Firefox. But there isn't
anything special about creating a short cut command for the
browsers. The update doesn't change where the exe file is and the
command shouldn't disappear.
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Since the desktop icons still work, that is proof that the exe file remains the same. Gene On 3/13/2023 7:54 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:
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I haven't used shortcut keys for browsers for ages since I pin the ones I use to my taskbar. Gene is right that this shouldn't be happening, but if as part of the update process the desktop shortcut is deleted and then created afresh, that would cause whatever was associated with the original to be lost.
I use Edge Dev, which updates far more frequently than straight Edge or Chrome do, and just assigned a shortcut sequence to the desktop icon. I'll keep an eye out for what happens at the next push of an update. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) Let me hasten to add that I *do* like cologne. I just much prefer it as a subtle hint instead of an aromachete. ~ Clay Colwell |
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Well, this evening the next update to Edge Dev was available, and I applied it. It appears my conjecture was true, because the keyboard shortcut I had defined for the desktop shortcut for Edge Dev was gone immediately after the update applied. The only reason this would be the case is if the update actually removes the existing desktop shortcut then re-creates it anew.
Given that pretty much any web browser has frequent updates these days, the use of a keyboard shortcut in conjunction with a desktop shortcut does not appear to be something that sticks. You're better off pinning to the taskbar, using Windows Search with the first couple of characters of the browser name, or just using the desktop shortcut with first letter nav. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) Let me hasten to add that I *do* like cologne. I just much prefer it as a subtle hint instead of an aromachete. ~ Clay Colwell |
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David Goldfield
Yes, and if you pin it to the task bar and if you know its position you can still use the keyboard shortcut of pressing the Windows key along with the position number to open the item. For example, if Edge is the first item on your task bar pressing Windows+1 will open it.
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From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 11:04 PM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [NVDA Chat] shortcut keys going away on any/all Chrome based apps
Well, this evening the next update to Edge Dev was available, and I applied it. It appears my conjecture was true, because the keyboard shortcut I had defined for the desktop shortcut for Edge Dev was gone immediately after the update
applied. The only reason this would be the case is if the update actually removes the existing desktop shortcut then re-creates it anew. Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) Let me hasten to add that I *do* like cologne. I just much prefer it as a subtle hint instead of an aromachete. ~ Clay Colwell |
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Luke Davis
On Mar 13, Brian Vogel wrote:
Well, this evening the next update to Edge Dev was available, and I applied it. It appears my conjecture was true, because the keyboard shortcut I hadBrian, I'm curious what happens if you manually create a shortcut, assign a key to it, and then update the browser? I can understand it being willing to unmake-remake its own self-created shortcut, but I would be deeply offended if it had the intestinal fortitude to rotate a shortcut I made that just happened to point to its executable. Luke |
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On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 12:38 AM, Luke Davis wrote:
Brian, I'm curious what happens if you manually create a shortcut, assign a key to it, and then update the browser?- Well, I'll report back after the next update. I deleted the existing desktop shortcut then created a new one using "Send to, Desktop" on the EXE file for Edge Dev. And since the actual icon that results doesn't have the Dev overlay, but it does invoke Edge Dev. So, probably within a week or two the next Dev update will appear so we'll see. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) Let me hasten to add that I *do* like cologne. I just much prefer it as a subtle hint instead of an aromachete. ~ Clay Colwell |
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Dan Beaver
Well, I have gotten around this issue
sometimes by creating another shortcut on the desktop but with a
slightly different name. I found that if the shortcut is named
the same as the one created by the installation process then it
gets over written and the shortcut keys defined go away. With
the different name it continues to work but this also has the
effect of cluttering up the desktop.
I am going to try the method David
mentioned and pin these to my taskbar. I learned something new
today even after all these years. I think using windows+ a
number key to invoke my apps will satisfy my needs.
Dan Beaver Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA On 3/14/2023 12:47 AM, Brian Vogel
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Or if you want to torcher yourself you can put a shortcut in a shortcut folder and type something in the run dialogue lol! Happy Tuesday all.
From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 8:04 PM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [NVDA Chat] shortcut keys going away on any/all Chrome based apps
Well, this evening the next update to Edge Dev was available, and I applied it. It appears my conjecture was true, because the keyboard shortcut I had defined for the desktop shortcut for Edge Dev was gone immediately after the update applied. The only reason this would be the case is if the update actually removes the existing desktop shortcut then re-creates it anew. Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) Let me hasten to add that I *do* like cologne. I just much prefer it as a subtle hint instead of an aromachete. ~ Clay Colwell |
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Keep in mind you can have I believe only 10 pinned items but that’s enough for me. Correction, you can have 10 keyboard shortcuts for 10 pinned items. I’m unsure if there is a limit on the taskbar of pinned items. I tend to not go past 8.
From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2023 5:38 AM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [NVDA Chat] shortcut keys going away on any/all Chrome based apps
Well, I have gotten around this issue sometimes by creating another shortcut on the desktop but with a slightly different name. I found that if the shortcut is named the same as the one created by the installation process then it gets over written and the shortcut keys defined go away. With the different name it continues to work but this also has the effect of cluttering up the desktop.
I am going to try the method David mentioned and pin these to my taskbar. I learned something new today even after all these years. I think using windows+ a number key to invoke my apps will satisfy my needs.
Dan Beaver Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA On 3/14/2023 12:47 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
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Luke Davis
Related: preventing Edge from creating a new desktop icon every time it updates. Warning, involves registry edits.
https://www.ghacks.net/2023/01/21/how-to-block-microsoft-edge-from-creating-desktop-shortcuts/ |
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I can report that when I create my own desktop shortcut by locating the Edge (Dev, in my case) executable, selecting it, bringing up the context menu and using send to, desktop (create shortcut) results in a desktop shortcut that does NOT get deleted or changed when Edge Dev updates.
This is distinctly different behavior compared to the desktop shortcut that the installer/updater itself creates, which clearly gets removed and re-created with each update. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) Let me hasten to add that I *do* like cologne. I just much prefer it as a subtle hint instead of an aromachete. ~ Clay Colwell |
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Gene
That's very interesting, since when you open the short cut
properties, the created short cut looks just like one you would
create yourself.
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Its odd that Microsoft would have created a short cut that is replaced each time when doing so serves no purpose. I suspect that the different behavior is due to something in the registry but of course, that is just speculation. Gene On 3/15/2023 11:10 PM, Brian Vogel
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I can report that when I create my own desktop shortcut by locating the Edge (Dev, in my case) executable, selecting it, bringing up the context menu and using send to, desktop (create shortcut) results in a desktop shortcut that does NOT get deleted or changed when Edge Dev updates. |
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Luke Davis
Gene wrote:
Its odd that Microsoft would have created a short cut that is replaced each timeWe have likely established here that this is Chromium behavior, not Microsoft behavior. when doing so serves no purpose.Except the purpose of replacing a potentially user-damaged shortcut. Or--far more financially valuable, at least for certain values of valuable--ever so helpfully reminding a user that there's this nifty browser they may have accidentally (because of course it could have only been an accident) deleted the shortcut for. I suspect that the different behavior is due to something in the registry but of course, that is just speculation.In Edge's case, it is. Probably in Chrome's case it is, also--though I don't know the keys for that. I don't know the keys for Edge, either, but they were in the article I sent earlier in this thread. Luke |
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Gene
Since I don't recall any Chrome or Brave users commenting on the
problem, and since these browsers have been out long before
Chrome-based Edge, I think it is likely a Microsoft change. But I
haven't tested this by setting up a short cut key for either Brave
or Chrome.
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Your suggestions for why this is done may be the reasons. Since most people don't use short cut commands, most people wouldn't be aware of the problem. Gene On 3/16/2023 2:13 AM, Luke Davis wrote:
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Gene
Here's something interesting I found out. When I set a short cut
key for both Brave and Google Chrome, I am told I need
administrative privileges to continue. I am not told that when I
set a short cut key for Edge. I have no idea if this has a bearing
on the discussion, but in case it does, this is what I found on my
machine running Windows 10 version 22H2.
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Gene On 3/16/2023 2:40 AM, Gene wrote:
Since I don't recall any Chrome or Brave users commenting on the problem, and since these browsers have been out long before Chrome-based Edge, I think it is likely a Microsoft change. But I haven't tested this by setting up a short cut key for either Brave or Chrome. |
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Luke Davis
Gene wrote:
Since I don't recall any Chrome or Brave users commenting on the problemYou're messing with me, right? When the title of the thread you're commenting on is "shortcut keys going away on any/all Chrome based apps", and the founding message in the thread said, and I quote: "I have Chrome, MS Edge and a couple of other browsers/apps I use. I am having a problem where every time they are updated the shortcut key I have defined for them goes away" Chrome. Comments thereon. Behold. Luke |
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Brian's Mail list account
If you look at the properties of the shortcut, does it really get reset, or is it some other weird thing going on. I remember some installers used to say, keep existing shortcut, but with browsers, each one increasingly wishes to be the default centre of the universe.
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Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Beaver" <dbeaver888@...> To: <chat@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 12:54 PM Subject: [NVDA Chat] shortcut keys going away on any/all Chrome based apps Hi, |
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I have begun to make shortcuts like 1-Edge 2-goldwave etc, so then up to 10 desktop shortcuts remain the same. Make those the ones where they try to recreate their own shortcuts, and married with the registry hack, things stay reasonably stable, ie no longer 2 shortcuts for the ones that keep on recreating shortcuts.
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I just don't really get why Windows would allow you to make shortcuts, if it was intent on destroying them. I also found that Dropbox occasionally writes a new shortcut, but I leave it, since I have a direct link to the exe on another shortcut. The one put in by Dropbox effectively restarts from scratch, whereas mine merely selects the folders. That is faster, as normally once dropbox starts in a session it remains running in the background. Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <chat@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2023 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [NVDA Chat] shortcut keys going away on any/all Chrome based apps Since I don't recall any Chrome or Brave users commenting on the |
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Gene
I didn't recall the first sentence and from then on, all discussion
was of Edge.
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In addition, Brave and Google Chrome have been out for much longer than Chrome-based Edge. Isn't it odd that in all the time Google Chrome has been out, how many decades, I haven't seen one message, to my recollection, discussing this problem on the lists I am on? Gene On 3/16/2023 3:54 AM, Luke Davis wrote:
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