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Speaking of archaic programs
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Gene
Since we have been talking about an archaic e-mail program, it put me in mind of an interesting blog post I found awhile ago about the coming end of System Access to Go and how much things have changed since it was introduced.
https://pneumasolutions.com/the-end-of-an-era/ People may find it interesting to read. Of course, there are still serious problems related to accessibility but at the same time, years ago, I didn't think we would get to a point where we are today, where there is so much more accessibility for blind users than there was about fifteen years ago. Gene |
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On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 12:32 PM, Gene wrote:
where there is so much more accessibility for blind users than there was about fifteen years ago.- And I started into "the blind tech world" in earnest in 2010 and the advances since then have been incredible. There is always more work to be done, but every time I hear the plaint, and it is stupidity, that accessibility has gotten or is getting worse I want to shoot the idiot saying so. It may be true in a specific program, as the old two steps forward, one (or often more) steps back dance does occur at that level. But the trajectory of accessibility as a whole has been doing nothing but going up. And that's even when it's not a money maker for virtually any entity making the efforts to increase it. The benefits for them are of a different sort - reputation burnishing. Can you even imagine what would happen were a company like Microsoft to declare, "Screw it, we're not going to build-in accessibility nor make any effort to retain or improve it?" It wouldn't only be the blind community that would be up in arms, the torches and pitchforks would be coming fast and furious from a number of quarters. None of the major tech companies could possibly say something like that and survive the backlash. Some, however, are much better at lip service to accessibility than actually providing it. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045 There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs. ~ John Rogers |
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God, I remember that program, used it on a school computer when our jaws license ran out. The teacher had no clue, and he was amazed. We did get our jaws fixed, I got my assignment done that day and he was wowed. Lol!
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From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 9:33 AM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: [chat] Speaking of archaic programs Since we have been talking about an archaic e-mail program, it put me in mind of an interesting blog post I found awhile ago about the coming end of System Access to Go and how much things have changed since it was introduced. https://pneumasolutions.com/the-end-of-an-era/ People may find it interesting to read. Of course, there are still serious problems related to accessibility but at the same time, years ago, I didn't think we would get to a point where we are today, where there is so much more accessibility for blind users than there was about fifteen years ago. Gene |
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JM Casey
I never used it, and dont' think I even heard of it till joining these lists. But there were definitely some other screen-readers for earlier Windows. Artic Windows Bridge was one. But I only ever used a demo version of that. The accessibility thing is complicated -- some things have gotten better; some worse, in my opinion. But back in the early 90s one really dreaded the fateful message, "This program requires Microsoft Windows". Lol
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From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami Sent: October 27, 2022 12:56 PM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [chat] Speaking of archaic programs God, I remember that program, used it on a school computer when our jaws license ran out. The teacher had no clue, and he was amazed. We did get our jaws fixed, I got my assignment done that day and he was wowed. Lol! -----Original Message----- From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 9:33 AM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: [chat] Speaking of archaic programs Since we have been talking about an archaic e-mail program, it put me in mind of an interesting blog post I found awhile ago about the coming end of System Access to Go and how much things have changed since it was introduced. https://pneumasolutions.com/the-end-of-an-era/ People may find it interesting to read. Of course, there are still serious problems related to accessibility but at the same time, years ago, I didn't think we would get to a point where we are today, where there is so much more accessibility for blind users than there was about fifteen years ago. Gene |
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I used doss in the early 90s with the arkenstone speech synth. I still remember how I used to quit open book. I had to type "O, q, y" "Open book menu, quit to doss, yes." I cannot believe I remember this almost 30 years ago.j We used btw vocal-eyes screen reader then. My gosh have things changed. You would access the vocal-eyes menu with I think control slash? Or was that something plus back slash? I can't remember, it would make this woop noise to indicate you were in the menu and the reverse of that when you hit escape to get out of it.
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From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 10:58 AM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [chat] Speaking of archaic programs I never used it, and dont' think I even heard of it till joining these lists. But there were definitely some other screen-readers for earlier Windows. Artic Windows Bridge was one. But I only ever used a demo version of that. The accessibility thing is complicated -- some things have gotten better; some worse, in my opinion. But back in the early 90s one really dreaded the fateful message, "This program requires Microsoft Windows". Lol -----Original Message----- From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami Sent: October 27, 2022 12:56 PM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [chat] Speaking of archaic programs God, I remember that program, used it on a school computer when our jaws license ran out. The teacher had no clue, and he was amazed. We did get our jaws fixed, I got my assignment done that day and he was wowed. Lol! -----Original Message----- From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 9:33 AM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: [chat] Speaking of archaic programs Since we have been talking about an archaic e-mail program, it put me in mind of an interesting blog post I found awhile ago about the coming end of System Access to Go and how much things have changed since it was introduced. https://pneumasolutions.com/the-end-of-an-era/ People may find it interesting to read. Of course, there are still serious problems related to accessibility but at the same time, years ago, I didn't think we would get to a point where we are today, where there is so much more accessibility for blind users than there was about fifteen years ago. Gene |
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Gene
I started using Arkenstone Openbook in the later nineties. If it was the same when you used it and you were using a sound card, not an external speech synthesizer, you were using Text Assist, which provided Dectalk Speech. It was a software Dectalk and it used all the sound card resources so you couldn't do anything else with the sound card while using Openbook.
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Gene On 10/27/2022 1:09 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I used doss in the early 90s with the arkenstone speech synth. I still remember how I used to quit open book. I had to type "O, q, y" "Open book menu, quit to doss, yes." I cannot believe I remember this almost 30 years ago.j We used btw vocal-eyes screen reader then. My gosh have things changed. You would access the vocal-eyes menu with I think control slash? Or was that something plus back slash? I can't remember, it would make this woop noise to indicate you were in the menu and the reverse of that when you hit escape to get out of it. |
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I can't remember, the speech came from the Arkenstone box, that's all I remember. Lol! I was way too young to care back then. My how times have changed.
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From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 11:29 AM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [chat] Speaking of archaic programs I started using Arkenstone Openbook in the later nineties. If it was the same when you used it and you were using a sound card, not an external speech synthesizer, you were using Text Assist, which provided Dectalk Speech. It was a software Dectalk and it used all the sound card resources so you couldn't do anything else with the sound card while using Openbook. Gene On 10/27/2022 1:09 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote: I used doss in the early 90s with the arkenstone speech synth. I still remember how I used to quit open book. I had to type "O, q, y" "Open book menu, quit to doss, yes." I cannot believe I remember this almost 30 years ago.j We used btw vocal-eyes screen reader then. My gosh have things changed. You would access the vocal-eyes menu with I think control slash? Or was that something plus back slash? I can't remember, it would make this woop noise to indicate you were in the menu and the reverse of that when you hit escape to get out of it. |
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Meeeeemrieees, light the corners of my mind,
Misty watercolor meeeeemries, Of the way we were . . . But, my favorite line with regard to technology: What's too painful to remember, we simply choose to forget! -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045 There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs. ~ John Rogers |
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JM Casey
Hah...there are definitely things like that which I still remember as well. And I still like to use the command line whenever possible and think it's so nice, though there are things about DOS I certainly don't miss, like the inability to do any sort of multitasking, and no in-built security for the user whatsoever. My first DOS computer had a navigator braille display and their own screen-reader, and then i got one with a Syn Phonix/Artic installed, running their screen-reader. I used that thing for quite a few years. It was noisy and weird and the little Artic speaker picked up all sorts of RF interference, which I kind of liked as it told me what state my computer was in and what the hard disk was doing without needing to listen to speech. Haha
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From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami Sent: October 27, 2022 02:10 PM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [chat] Speaking of archaic programs I used doss in the early 90s with the arkenstone speech synth. I still remember how I used to quit open book. I had to type "O, q, y" "Open book menu, quit to doss, yes." I cannot believe I remember this almost 30 years ago.j We used btw vocal-eyes screen reader then. My gosh have things changed. You would access the vocal-eyes menu with I think control slash? Or was that something plus back slash? I can't remember, it would make this woop noise to indicate you were in the menu and the reverse of that when you hit escape to get out of it. -----Original Message----- From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 10:58 AM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [chat] Speaking of archaic programs I never used it, and dont' think I even heard of it till joining these lists. But there were definitely some other screen-readers for earlier Windows. Artic Windows Bridge was one. But I only ever used a demo version of that. The accessibility thing is complicated -- some things have gotten better; some worse, in my opinion. But back in the early 90s one really dreaded the fateful message, "This program requires Microsoft Windows". Lol -----Original Message----- From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami Sent: October 27, 2022 12:56 PM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [chat] Speaking of archaic programs God, I remember that program, used it on a school computer when our jaws license ran out. The teacher had no clue, and he was amazed. We did get our jaws fixed, I got my assignment done that day and he was wowed. Lol! -----Original Message----- From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 9:33 AM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: [chat] Speaking of archaic programs Since we have been talking about an archaic e-mail program, it put me in mind of an interesting blog post I found awhile ago about the coming end of System Access to Go and how much things have changed since it was introduced. https://pneumasolutions.com/the-end-of-an-era/ People may find it interesting to read. Of course, there are still serious problems related to accessibility but at the same time, years ago, I didn't think we would get to a point where we are today, where there is so much more accessibility for blind users than there was about fifteen years ago. Gene |
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On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 04:57 PM, JM Casey wrote:
And I still like to use the command line whenever possible- JM, One of the items in my quotes file that I use for my signatures is this, and I still believe it for many tasks: A GUI is to a command-line as a TV is to a book. ~ Scott HessThere are many things that really are just so much easier to accomplish with the command line than in Windows itself. And a very great many of those are because you can use a command, with wildcards, and manage to collect all items (files, in particular) in one fell swoop and a few characters that are trickier by far to select in File Explorer. If I remember correctly, there is also an option for a number of commands to have them show what would happen when you run them in terms of items affected, rather than actually executing them. But I've long ago forgotten the switch and which commands. Being easily able to redirect the output to a log file and/or error log so you can review what happened at your leisure afterward is a big plus on certain occasions. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045 There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs. ~ John Rogers |
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Gene
An interesting thing about quitting to DOS in the old Openbook is that I assume that was done because accessibility in Windows either didn't exist yet or so many people still used DOS and had no Windows screen-reader. So Openbook did what programs generally didn't do. They shut down and they also issued the shut down Windows command, which returned you to DOS.
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I recall in the later nineties, Openbook had a setting to keep you from opening Windows menus or moving into Windows from Openbook. You could change the setting, but I remember the manual saying something about preventing you from falling into Windows. Its odd to think about it now, but that was a program that ran in Windows but that was designed to be used on its own terms, not as a windows program. Gene On 10/27/2022 3:57 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Hah...there are definitely things like that which I still remember as well. And I still like to use the command line whenever possible and think it's so nice, though there are things about DOS I certainly don't miss, like the inability to do any sort of multitasking, and no in-built security for the user whatsoever. My first DOS computer had a navigator braille display and their own screen-reader, and then i got one with a Syn Phonix/Artic installed, running their screen-reader. I used that thing for quite a few years. It was noisy and weird and the little Artic speaker picked up all sorts of RF interference, which I kind of liked as it told me what state my computer was in and what the hard disk was doing without needing to listen to speech. Haha |
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David Goldfield
Gene,
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In the early days of OpenBook they used a sort of Windows Lite software to support the software. Remember that when these early versions were being distributed there either were no screen readers for Windows or those that did exist were in their infancy. Never mind the fact that many people resisted it in the beginning, myself included. David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist NVDA Certified Expert Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field. Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io www.DavidGoldfield.org -----Original Message-----
From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 5:33 PM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [chat] Speaking of archaic programs An interesting thing about quitting to DOS in the old Openbook is that I assume that was done because accessibility in Windows either didn't exist yet or so many people still used DOS and had no Windows screen-reader. So Openbook did what programs generally didn't do. They shut down and they also issued the shut down Windows command, which returned you to DOS. I recall in the later nineties, Openbook had a setting to keep you from opening Windows menus or moving into Windows from Openbook. You could change the setting, but I remember the manual saying something about preventing you from falling into Windows. Its odd to think about it now, but that was a program that ran in Windows but that was designed to be used on its own terms, not as a windows program. Gene On 10/27/2022 3:57 PM, JM Casey wrote: Hah...there are definitely things like that which I still remember as |
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Gene
When I started using it in 1997, Windows had to be installed to run the program.
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Are you sayng that at an earlier time, it installed a limited version of Windows as a part of its installation? Gene On 10/27/2022 4:45 PM, David Goldfield wrote:
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Gene wrote:
Are you sayng that at an earlier time, it installed a limited version of Windows as a part of its installation?Yes, or at the very least you were asked to insert a floppy containing this slim Windows version which came with the software. This was with version 2. I never investigated what that OS was, where Arkenstone acquired it and what else it was made to support. David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist NVDA Certified Expert Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field. Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io www.DavidGoldfield.org -----Original Message----- From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 5:52 PM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [chat] Speaking of archaic programs When I started using it in 1997, Windows had to be installed to run the program. Are you sayng that at an earlier time, it installed a limited version of Windows as a part of its installation? Gene On 10/27/2022 4:45 PM, David Goldfield wrote: Gene, |
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JM Casey
That's interesting to know. I suppose self-voicing programmes for earlier Windows madea lot of sense. There might have been certain advantages in coding it for Windows, but an awareness that most blind people didn't use Windows, and probably couldn't even if they wanted to.
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Though i dno't know what advantage there might have been to code an oCR software for Windows, Windows definitely had its own thing when it came to librariesa nd moduelsa nd such. There was a section of my highschool computer science course I couldn't really do much with because they were learning stuff for drawing to the Windows screen, which had a special set of functions. Those didn't even work on the DOS compiler I was using. -----Original Message-----
From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: October 27, 2022 05:33 PM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [chat] Speaking of archaic programs An interesting thing about quitting to DOS in the old Openbook is that I assume that was done because accessibility in Windows either didn't exist yet or so many people still used DOS and had no Windows screen-reader. So Openbook did what programs generally didn't do. They shut down and they also issued the shut down Windows command, which returned you to DOS. I recall in the later nineties, Openbook had a setting to keep you from opening Windows menus or moving into Windows from Openbook. You could change the setting, but I remember the manual saying something about preventing you from falling into Windows. Its odd to think about it now, but that was a program that ran in Windows but that was designed to be used on its own terms, not as a windows program. Gene On 10/27/2022 3:57 PM, JM Casey wrote: Hah...there are definitely things like that which I still remember as |
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Gene
That's interesting. My recollection is that at first, Openbook ran in DOS but I didn't know about the transitional stage.
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Gene On 10/27/2022 4:54 PM, David Goldfield wrote:
Gene wrote:Are you sayng that at an earlier time, it installed a limited version of Windows as a part of its installation?Yes, or at the very least you were asked to insert a floppy containing this slim Windows version which came with the software. This was with version 2. I never investigated what that OS was, where Arkenstone acquired it and what else it was made to support. |
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When we are talking about old software. I just feel that in many cases in rushing to get new glittery software, some of the basics of simplicity, yet power for those who want it have been forgotten. Or it can go the other way, I call that Tonka Toy software, where its so dumbed down that it won't do what you want. This in my view is due to corporate amnesia in that a team of software writers did their research and made a classic bit of software, but over the years a new team took over and needed to make it look snazzier,and seemingly forgot the ethos of keeping it simple to understand and carry the old users with you, and lose accessibility. One program that comes to mind here is Revo uninstaller.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <chat@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 5:32 PM Subject: [chat] Speaking of archaic programs Since we have been talking about an archaic e-mail program, it put me in mind of an interesting blog post I found awhile ago about the coming end of System Access to Go and how much things have changed since it was introduced. https://pneumasolutions.com/the-end-of-an-era/ People may find it interesting to read. Of course, there are still serious problems related to accessibility but at the same time, years ago, I didn't think we would get to a point where we are today, where there is so much more accessibility for blind users than there was about fifteen years ago. Gene |
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I also think that the power of computers being much greater has allowed a lot of the revolution to occur.
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Back in the 1980s there was a popular home computer called the Spectrum. An enterprising company made a plugged in voice box for it. However the only way it could speak real output was by sending it to a reserved string variable converted into the names of phonemes. Many of us wrote software to do this, but as it had to run as an interrupt driven routine the speed of the machine was almost unusable. I think you get the drift. Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "JM Casey" <jmcasey@...> To: <chat@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [chat] Speaking of archaic programs I never used it, and dont' think I even heard of it till joining these lists. But there were definitely some other screen-readers for earlier Windows. Artic Windows Bridge was one. But I only ever used a demo version of that. The accessibility thing is complicated -- some things have gotten better; some worse, in my opinion. But back in the early 90s one really dreaded the fateful message, "This program requires Microsoft Windows". Lol -----Original Message----- From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami Sent: October 27, 2022 12:56 PM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [chat] Speaking of archaic programs God, I remember that program, used it on a school computer when our jaws license ran out. The teacher had no clue, and he was amazed. We did get our jaws fixed, I got my assignment done that day and he was wowed. Lol! -----Original Message----- From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 9:33 AM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: [chat] Speaking of archaic programs Since we have been talking about an archaic e-mail program, it put me in mind of an interesting blog post I found awhile ago about the coming end of System Access to Go and how much things have changed since it was introduced. https://pneumasolutions.com/the-end-of-an-era/ People may find it interesting to read. Of course, there are still serious problems related to accessibility but at the same time, years ago, I didn't think we would get to a point where we are today, where there is so much more accessibility for blind users than there was about fifteen years ago. Gene |
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I still use batch files to auto copy files about, since many of our volunteers do not really understand what the clicking of a mouse is actually doing. Making sure they always put a certain run of characters in their file names makes it easy for them to just click the shortcut to the e batch file and things get moved and renamed and even use the date as part of the filename.
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I'm sure one can do exactly the same with visual basic or whatever its called these days to keep it looking pretty, but from my point of view, I could not care about how it looks! Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> To: <chat@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [chat] Speaking of archaic programs On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 04:57 PM, JM Casey wrote: - JM, One of the items in my quotes file that I use for my signatures is this, and I still believe it for many tasks: A GUI is to a command-line as a TV is to a book. ~ Scott Hess There are many things that really are just so much easier to accomplish with the command line than in Windows itself. And a very great many of those are because you can use a command, with wildcards, and manage to collect all items (files, in particular) in one fell swoop and a few characters that are trickier by far to select in File Explorer. If I remember correctly, there is also an option for a number of commands to have them show what would happen when you run them in terms of items affected, rather than actually executing them. But I've long ago forgotten the switch and which commands. Being easily able to redirect the output to a log file and/or error log so you can review what happened at your leisure afterward is a big plus on certain occasions. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045 *There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.* ~ John Rogers |
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These still exist as self voicing software. One of the mainly used ones is Dolphin Guide Connect which in effect hides windows completely and provides targeted tasks with varying success all self voiced. I think it mostly aimed at older people who find the concept of learning windows and a screenreader hard. It can also be controlled by voice if you have a tremor. For what it does its OK, but I found it very frustrating trying to set up a google email in it with its 2 factor authentication.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <chat@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [chat] Speaking of archaic programs An interesting thing about quitting to DOS in the old Openbook is that I assume that was done because accessibility in Windows either didn't exist yet or so many people still used DOS and had no Windows screen-reader. So Openbook did what programs generally didn't do. They shut down and they also issued the shut down Windows command, which returned you to DOS. |
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