Windows 11 and CPU Compatibility
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Well, I knew it had to happen eventually, but Microsoft has now identified a couple of Intel Core (the i-number series) processors that are in the 7th generation that it will allow to update to Windows 11 provided the other requirements are met as well.
Also, it appears that intel has dispensed with the 5th digit for a number of 10th generation and higher processors, so you could have something that looks like a first generation based on the number after the dash for the I-generation that is not, but is 10th. The long and short of this is, if you want to look by hand, see: Windows 11 22H2 Supported Intel Processors or Windows 11 22H2 Supported AMD Processors Better yet, look at what the Windows Update Pane in Settings, Updates & Security is telling you for the machine you're actually using, and definitely use the Get PC Health Check link to get the detailed information about why your machine is incompatible if the Windows Update Pane is saying it's incompatible. It could be that TPM is not enabled in BIOS rather than your CPU not being one of the supported ones, so it's worth checking exactly why the machine is considered incompatible using PC Health Check. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045 There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs. ~ John Rogers |
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Since I do not have the chip they want us to have, tpm or whatever its called, it seems that this perfectly good machine has been told its too old. I don't like chucking away perfectly good hardware, so tough. grin.
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From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> To: <chat@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 5:41 PM Subject: [chat] Windows 11 and CPU Compatibility Well, I knew it had to happen eventually, but Microsoft has now identified a couple of Intel Core (the i-number series) processors that are in the 7th generation that it will allow to update to Windows 11 provided the other requirements are met as well. Also, it appears that intel has dispensed with the 5th digit for a number of 10th generation and higher processors, so you could have something that looks like a first generation based on the number after the dash for the I-generation that is not, but is 10th. The long and short of this is, if you want to look by hand, see: Windows 11 22H2 Supported Intel Processors ( https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-22h2-supported-intel-processors ) or Windows 11 22H2 Supported AMD Processors ( https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-22h2-supported-amd-processors ) Better yet, look at what the Windows Update Pane in Settings, Updates & Security is telling you for the machine you're actually using, and definitely use the Get PC Health Check link to get the detailed information about why your machine is incompatible if the Windows Update Pane is saying it's incompatible. It could be that TPM is not enabled in BIOS rather than your CPU not being one of the supported ones, so it's worth checking exactly why the machine is considered incompatible using PC Health Check. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045 *There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.* ~ John Rogers |
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To be honest having used win11 on my aunt's lenovo none of the so called new features interest me.
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The pc manager for example coming soon seems to be yet another microsoft wants to run their stuff on your system. If it were anyone else we would be complaining about malware but we don't complain about the main os manufacturer of course. Then there is this new smart proteection module. Lets see how stupid that can be. Now I am sure if you are a mainstream user, bgt asside using mainstream software and hardly ever going away from signed certs etc you will be fine. But not everyone has the cash to buy a signed cert so boom its malware. And we blind and other disabled don't use mainstream software, so malware. Our screen readers are malware, our software is malware, everything we use is malware. Boom, another useless feature and you can only turn it on and or off once or off once per install and its not on existing installs. Adding this to edge which has the microsoft sstigma attached and just about everything else we have to contend with and hmph. This ancient and crappy now 2nd gen ryzen can do everything I need. And its likely I will continue to use windows 10 after it goes away because well, as long as its supported who knows. Fact is though everything 10 up uses the same os system there about and that includes 11. Maybe not the same shell but even so, a lot of stuff is shared so its not going away. Maybe with windows 12 or 13 maybe then we won't be so lucky but well. Bar android apps and a few other things I don't know anymore. Win11 started as a disappointment and now microsoft is trying to get its lost momentum back and its just not working. I have family and friends perfectly able to run 11 but didn't because there were issues with it and it caused issues. No scratch that, windows11 causes problems so a lot of those in my network don't even want to touch it. It had the reputation and its probably going to stay till it dies. I have not seen anything since its first release that makes me want to switch to it. I have friends who work in the industry with the latest hardware that don't want a bar of it. In 4 or so years microsoft will be retiring windows 10, and assuming that things go up, windows 12 will appear, which will fix all the issues windows 11 has or not. And anyway after my less than steller experiences with tech support I am inclined not to be as trusting as I once was. On 25/10/2022 8:56 pm, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:
Since I do not have the chip they want us to have, tpm or whatever its called, it seems that this perfectly good machine has been told its too old. I don't like chucking away perfectly good hardware, so tough. grin. |
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Gene
When I see such a message, about how horrible a version of Windows
is or the horrible things Microsoft is going to add to Windows, I am
immediately very suspicious. For one thing, why haven't I seen a
word about these problems or upcoming problems anywhere else, such
as in technical articles for the layman? For another, Microsoft
makes dumb mistakes at times, but not like the ones claimed for the
PC Manager.
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Here is an article describing what the PC Manager does. On the whole, it does things ranging from the slightly helpful, in my opinion, to this or that which may be a minor annoyance, but which I would think could be easily stopped. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/pc-manager-beta-microsoft As far as the Trusted Protection Module is concerned, I've read a little about it. I'm not sure I have the technical knowledge to understand just what it does and this may be incorrect, but it appears to me that it doesn't do what you appear to be saying it does. You appear to be saying that it evaluates programs to see if they are malware. That appears not to be true. It appears to protect the system from attacks during bootup from malware on the system and it may provide other protections. Making it a requirement to run the operating system is what I would classify as one of Microsoft's stupid mistakes. It discourages what Microsoft wants, the widest adoption of Windows 11 and leaving Windows 10 behind. A lot of businesses and personal computer users aren't going to get rid of their current machines just to get Windows 11 and this may be a really serious problem in 2025. In a broader context, I haven't used Windows 11. It doesn't have any new abilities that interest me, but I've heard no general complaints about it being terrible or not running well. Internally, it is similar to Windows 10. In short, though I will continue to run Windows 10 until I get a new machine that has Windows 11, I see no evidence from the reviews that it runs badly or that it runs worse than Windows 10 or should be avoided. Also, the lack of complaints on the blindness technology lists I follow about Windows 11 is strong evidence, by the lack of such complaints, that Windows 11 doesn't cause users problems in general. If it did and were significantly worse than Windows 10, we'd see all sorts of messages discussing and complaining about it. I'm going into all this because, unless I see convincing evidence, I am trying to avoid people being afraid to get Windows 11 if they want or need it. Gene On 10/25/2022 4:26 AM, Shaun Everiss
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Whiners gonna whine; pure and simple.
The sooner the user community gets over the idea that any given machine they currently own has a perpetual lifespan, or a lifespan of their choosing, the better. This has NEVER, EVER been the case in the personal computing world. People really do conveniently forget how hardware changes were required more frequently in the early days of the PC because the technologies that made it up were being advanced at a whopping rate, then we went in to a relatively long period where it wasn't as necessary to upgrade hardware because the hardware's capabilities had far outstripped most end user's capabilities to exploit it to its maximum potential. My computer that's running Windows 10 is working just fine, and it could probably keep running for more years than it's already run, but the moment I can't have a supported version of Windows on it, it's retired. And by the time 2025 comes around, it should be retired, anyway. 5 years is the most one really should expect to get out of a computer, though many of us (myself included) often nurse them along longer because they still work for what they need them for. But if you're thinking you can routinely run a computer 10 years or more without issues, whether they be with the hardware itself or compatibility with software, peripherals, etc., over time you haven't been paying attention to history. I'm not going to lock this topic, but the only reason I published it was to make people aware that a couple (literally) of 7th generation Intel Core processors have officially been added to the compatibility list. In theory, it's possible that a select few additional processors could end up there. But those of us who have 4th generation Intel core processors would be deluded if we were to believe the reachback would ever be that far because that hardware was released in 2014, even before Windows 10 was on the scene. So far, my experience with Windows 11 confirms it's essentially Windows 10 with a new-ish user interface (because much remains the same) and significantly improved security features. And it's coming for me in 2025, if not before, because the choice is not mine to make. I will not run out of support Windows versions for a machine that I am using daily and that's in contact with cyberspace on a constant basis. Asking for trouble is not my thing, particularly in relation to computer security. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045 There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs. ~ John Rogers |
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Keep in mind as well that some hotfixes are end of life. For example, my system has one, how, I have no idea. According to belark, I have this Microsoft 5.0 which is end of life. I’m not at all worried about it as my system is fine and I don’t see any updates re this 5.0 or any new way to get this new version whatever that might be. Check your system, you might be pleasantly surprised. I’m glad I upgraded to windows 11 especially when it comes to the tabbed interface I’ve been used to for years on mac, it’s now on windows os. ` man.
From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 7:45 AM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [chat] Windows 11 and CPU Compatibility
Whiners gonna whine; pure and simple. Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045 There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs. ~ John Rogers |
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On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 11:21 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
According to belark, I have this Microsoft 5.0 which is end of life.- The link you gave goes straight to the Microsoft Product Lifecycle page, but for all products, not any specific one. In the case of using a utility like Belarc Advisor, it will identify hotfixes that are end-of-life just before they sunset, but Windows Update purges whatever needs to be purged as time marches on. My guess is it's identifying Microsoft Application Virtualization 5.0 on your system, which hits its actual end-of-life date in January 2023. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045 There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs. ~ John Rogers |
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Howard Traxler
You're certainly right, Brian. But change is very difficult for us old farts. I still have my Apple //e (2e). And it won't even get on the internet. haha Howard On 10/25/2022 9:45 AM, Brian Vogel
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On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 12:19 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
But change is very difficult for us old farts.- Well, now that I've passed 60, I fall into what many would consider "old fart" territory. When I hear people complain about change being difficult, I actually think back to my grandmother, who was born in 1897 and who died in 1993. The kinds of change individuals of that generation lived through (and adapted to, usually with ease and often with enthusiasm given how much easier those made life in general) is simply monumental compared to what mine has. Going from no electricity (and all electric appliances), no automobiles, no airplanes, no computers, stoves only of the wood type and home heating being coal or wood, to what things were like in the 1950s, even, is just a breathtaking amount of change. Thus, my attitude that going from menus to ribbons, or going from Windows 3.1 to Windows 11, with small steps between them (with the exception of Windows 8), should not be considered the major trauma that many present it as. Those who have been computer users for decades really should be accustomed to constant change, most times in small steps, and every once in a while as large ones. It very simply goes with the territory. Other than the brief complaints we all make when changes occur that we don't prefer, holding on to the long gone and complaining about the current makes no sense (and is about as informative and useful as complaining that glacier melt water is cold). That's why whining about Windows 10 and ribbons (among a number of things) drives me almost to drink, because those both have been around between years and decades and are not going away. It is useless, worse than useless, to rail against either rather than learn them and move along. The choice really is not yours (and that's the generic you, not, you, Howard). Nothing is so constant as change, and nowhere is change more constant than in the world of computing. If you're going to use a computer, you simply must learn to go with the flow and to do so with some grace. P.S. That Apple IIe is now a piece of history and might have value as a collectible. And, as you note, it's not like you're trying to use it as your daily driver. We had a member on the main group once that kept asking about Windows XP and NVDA into the Windows 10 era until we made it clear, in no uncertain terms, that since Windows XP had been out of support for over a decade, and NVDA hadn't supported XP for several years, that asking about those two in any combination was off limits. You do eventually have to get another computer. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045 There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs. ~ John Rogers |
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First, love your signature. Anyway, second, I googled and it said something about Microsoft dot net 5.0 which I thought was a typo as we are only up to 4.0 if I recall. I saw the page after I sent the link, my bad. Here is what the nvda says. Description (click to see security bulletin) column 3 visited link Microsoft .NET 5.0 is vulnerable and no security updates are provided by the vendor Well that link is wrong as it does take me to the life cycle patge as mentioned. I won’t worry about it however, I’m sure windows will take care of it on its own as it just works mostly.
Happy Tuesday all.
From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 8:42 AM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [chat] Windows 11 and CPU Compatibility
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 11:21 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045 There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs. ~ John Rogers |
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OH god, I remember that battle. Don’t remind me, oh wait, you already did. Lol. Har har har. Time for me to get back to work.
From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 9:48 AM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [chat] Windows 11 and CPU Compatibility
Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045 There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs. ~ John Rogers |
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No we are up to 6 now. Every dotnet release coincides with visual studio releases. Windows 10 will install 3.5 minimum and I think 4 or 5 I am unsure anyway you need to install bits of others 4 5 and 6 but yeah its confusing. There hasn't been an major update of dotnet or visual studio since the last 3 years though whatever. All I know is I need to load runtimes and updates then things work. Of some note, once desktop runtimes for visual studio and dotnet are installed windows will update both desktop and universals by itself.
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I think there are two different issues here. The first is as you say, but nonetheless change for the sake of making a change does seem pointless. I'd put ribbons into this category.
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With older versions of Windows like XP, there are still people using software that will not run on later systems, and because the hardware they support is now horribly expensive in its latest version and the device is still doing its job. I see no issues with using it, but make sure its isolated from security issues and just use the screenreader as it was then. For vintage. Yes I think we all have a soft spot for the old days, when programming could be done in Basic with line numbers and simple to understand concepts like arrays, numeric and string, and variables the same and simple functions that performed the tasks on multiple inputs if the correct variables were provided. Mine was the ZX Spectrum, which was made by Timex elsewhere, the Atari 8 bit etc. I never could afford the BBC Micro! Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> To: <chat@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [chat] Windows 11 and CPU Compatibility On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 12:19 PM, Howard Traxler wrote: - Well, now that I've passed 60, I fall into what many would consider "old fart" territory. When I hear people complain about change being difficult, I actually think back to my grandmother, who was born in 1897 and who died in 1993. The kinds of change individuals of that generation lived through (and adapted to, usually with ease and often with enthusiasm given how much easier those made life in general) is simply monumental compared to what mine has. Going from no electricity (and all electric appliances), no automobiles, no airplanes, no computers, stoves only of the wood type and home heating being coal or wood, to what things were like in the 1950s, even, is just a breathtaking amount of change. Thus, my attitude that going from menus to ribbons, or going from Windows 3.1 to Windows 11, with small steps between them (with the exception of Windows 8), should not be considered the major trauma that many present it as. Those who have been computer users for decades really should be accustomed to constant change, most times in small steps, and every once in a while as large ones. It very simply goes with the territory. Other than the brief complaints we all make when changes occur that we don't prefer, holding on to the long gone and complaining about the current makes no sense (and is about as informative and useful as complaining that glacier melt water is cold). That's why whining about Windows 10 and ribbons (among a number of things) drives me almost to drink, because those both have been around between years and decades and are not going away. It is useless, worse than useless, to rail against either rather than learn them and move along. The choice really is not yours (and that's the generic you, not, you, Howard). Nothing is so constant as change, and nowhere is change more constant than in the world of computing. If you're going to use a computer, you simply must learn to go with the flow and to do so with some grace. P.S. That Apple IIe is now a piece of history and might have value as a collectible. And, as you note, it's not like you're trying to use it as your daily driver. We had a member on the main group once that kept asking about Windows XP and NVDA into the Windows 10 era until we made it clear, in no uncertain terms, that since Windows XP had been out of support for over a decade, and NVDA hadn't supported XP for several years, that asking about those two in any combination was off limits. You do eventually have to get another computer. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045 *There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.* ~ John Rogers |
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Do you also recall the differences between AMD and Intel chips where AMD had something called 3d now and Intel had SSE2, and trying to run software compiled for one would not work on the other. This was toward the end of XP. I think that XP was actually a classic version of Windows, but the problems as always were deeply embedded as it needed a rewrite to work faster and with later chipsets etc. I have a distinct feeling that apart from 8 which was a mess, 10 and to some extent 11 are both based on a lot of the same code as 7. The newer code is now being written to support Arm at the low level and may well be the next generation,where customer facing layer is the same but the innards are totally changed. This kind of cycle happened before when Windows was the last dos based shell version of Windows, and already we had had Windows nt, 2000 and Xp starting up, which had a new base code set.
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From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...> To: <chat@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [chat] Windows 11 and CPU Compatibility OH god, I remember that battle. Don’t remind me, oh wait, you already did. Lol. Har har har. Time for me to get back to work. From: chat@nvda.groups.io <chat@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 9:48 AM To: chat@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [chat] Windows 11 and CPU Compatibility P.S. That Apple IIe is now a piece of history and might have value as a collectible. And, as you note, it's not like you're trying to use it as your daily driver. We had a member on the main group once that kept asking about Windows XP and NVDA into the Windows 10 era until we made it clear, in no uncertain terms, that since Windows XP had been out of support for over a decade, and NVDA hadn't supported XP for several years, that asking about those two in any combination was off limits. You do eventually have to get another computer. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045 There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs. ~ John Rogers |
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On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 05:02 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Do you also recall the differences between AMD and Intel chips where AMD had something called 3d now and Intel had SSE2, and trying to run software compiled for one would not work on the other.- You've also brought up something that could easily be rolled into the discussion of Chrome dropping Windows 7 & 8.1 support. With Windows 11, in particular, we are reaching a point where "a great hardware architecture break" will be taking place. The hardware architecture, in addition to the OS, is always a part of conditional compilation (and the code maintenance necessary to achieve it) too. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045 There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs. ~ John Rogers |
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Gene
Does that mean that after Windows 10 goes out of support, hardware
will start to change, thus making a lot of programs no longer run
that have run going back for many versions of Windows? I don't know
anything about the hardware architecture question.
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Also, are there implications for people who try to future proof
their computers by spending much more for power and capacity, if
that is the right word, than is currently necessary? I consider
future proofing a bad idea because by the time you get to the future
where it matters, you can get a lot more power for a lot less money
than you would spend now.
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Gene On 10/26/2022 11:08 AM, Gene via
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Does that mean that after Windows 10 goes out of support, hardware will start to change, thus making a lot of programs no longer run that have run going back for many versions of Windows? I don't know anything about the hardware architecture question. |
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On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 12:08 PM, Gene wrote:
Does that mean that after Windows 10 goes out of support, hardware will start to change, thus making a lot of programs no longer run that have run going back for many versions of Windows? I don't know anything about the hardware architecture question.- Gene, That depends entirely on the nature of the program itself. There are still scads of things that came on the scene during Win3.1 and WinXP that will run perfectly fine under Windows 10 and 11, often even without using compatibility mode, while there are many things that won't as well. It's not likely that most programs that are perfectly happy today under Windows 10 are going to ever become unhappy under Windows 11, but I will never say never. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045 There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs. ~ John Rogers |
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On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 12:11 PM, Gene wrote:
I consider future proofing a bad idea because by the time you get to the future where it matters, you can get a lot more power for a lot less money than you would spend now.- As do I. My advice to clients is to purchase a machine that is, at most, "a little more than what you need right now," unless you know something's coming down the pike in the immediate future that you weren't using before. A little breathing room in terms of processing power, and RAM, along with going SSD only on a new computer makes sense. But spending several thousand dollars on a machine that can handle online multi-player games involving 3D graphics or 3D modeling and simulation is just gross overkill if you don't do those things, and have no intention of doing those things. It really should be presumed that 5 years is the functional service life of a computer. Yes, many of us can and do go past that, but it's a good "average figure." Businesses (medium and large ones, anyway) never keep their computers that long, which is why many people get top-notch refurbished business-class machines that go off lease for a song compared to what new costs, and where those machines at a couple of years old are still far superior to low-end consumer grade machines sold in Walmart (and other stores). -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045 There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs. ~ John Rogers |
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Gene
What is the importance of the hardware break?
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Gene On 10/26/2022 11:18 AM, Brian Vogel
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