Re: spss inaccessibility: absolutely inexcusable

Rui Fontes

Yes, SPSS is accessible with Jaws, but I think only with Jaws...

I don't know if they use a JFW API or not...


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De: enes sarıbaş
Data: 16 de novembro de 2016 18:06
Assunto: Re: [nvda] spss inaccessibility: absolutely inexcusable


though 20 years old, it is updated regularly. Also, jaws works
perfectly I mean perfectly! with it. I would asume the jaws mode would
help nvda access spss better? In the install, it asks if you want to
enable jaws mode.

On 11/16/2016 4:25 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
Why is this inexcusible? SPSS is at least 20 years old, probably more. It has several iterations, including the ability to build custom web apps for using spss databases. It's a monstrously expensive proprietary institutional software made by people with very little demonstrated interest in including the blind community.
Only part of the support we enjoy in N vda is developer direct. Items like office and adobe support came to us sponsored by microsoft and adobe. Other features came from third party developers , or by funding from private individuals. The NVDA Remote add-on for example of one such project.

There's a reason why freedom scientific charged thousands of dollars. They carried the weight of the accessibility world on their shoulders, and despite what you may think, they were very unsteady on their feet most of the time. Still, as you say, they often got the job done.

Using NVDA allows you to take charge of your own accessibility in a manner that jaws never did. If you paid top dollar for jaws and found that it didn't meet a specific need, you filed a report and prayed support would come around in a year or two or three after you paid a little more. Meanwhile, maybe some one with your exact issue paid extravigant amounts of money to a script developer to make jaws do what you need it to do, but the development work belonged to the corporate entity who developed it, and they're not making any information about it available because they don't think they can make money from it, and they don't want other companies duplicating their work for nothing. Hooray for old paradigm corporate accessibility.

With NVDA, you can leverage the power of a huge and highly reputible open source community. In stead of making this all about your acceptence and your outrage, why not take charge of the issue? Network with other blind students and professionals who use SPSS. Network with federally funded institutions who use SPSS. Bring some private backing to java or whoever makes the thing and ask for corporate support to make SPSS compatible with nvda, either by upgrades to the software itself, enhanced NVDA support, or a combination of the two. If you approach people the right way, work hard, and make the right connections, you can make a project like this happen much faster in the NVDA system than you could waiting for freedom scientific to build and maintain what you need.

I'm sorry it didn't work out for you right away, but NVDA is your screen reader. You decide what it supports and what not. If there is anything we can do to help you get the support you need, I'm sure we will be appy to help, but you'd better begin by accepting the situation as is if you want to go forward.



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On November 16, 2016 5:52:19 AM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:


I got spss to be slightly more accessible by enabling the java access
bridge. However, nvda cannot read any of the controls. The log shows a
windows access violation error. I find this to be absolutely
unacceptable that nvda doesn't support such an important program. The
same program works flawlessly with jaws.

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