Re: Anti Virus

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Most anti viruses will scan anything you intend to save to the system. I've noted that msse can do this, but I think most are intelligent enough to check what file type it is first.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@...>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus


I actually meant choosing the save option in thunderbird. This option
does not execute the attachment

On 11/20/2016 1:01 AM, Gene wrote:
Opening an attachment often automatically causes it to be executed.

*From:* enes sarıbaş <mailto:enes.saribas@...>
*Sent:* Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:45 PM
*To:* <>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Anti Virus

hi gene,

opening the attachment isn't a problem. Executing the file is. I
recieved a spam mail that contained a malicious javascript enclosed in
a zip file. My antivirus, avira, missed it. When I uploaded it to
virustotal, I was the first one to upload it and only 2 antiviruses
caught it.

On 11/19/2016 9:03 PM, Gene wrote:
No matter how careful you are, you can still be infected, even by
going to reputable sites if those sites are hacked or if the
advertising on those sites is hacked. Yes, people should follow good
safety procedures. but that does not minimize the need or usefulness
of good antimalware programs.
And no matter how careful you are, what about the moment of
inattention. I'm very careful about not opening attachments. but
even so, there was one time in perhaps fifteen years or longer, that
I wasn't really thinking much about what I was doing and opened an
attachment that came from a message that looked as though it was from
someone I knew. If I had been paying proper attention, I wouldn't
have done so but the point is that unless you are sure that you will
always be paying proper attention from now until you stop using
computers, there is always a small or very small chance for error.
I've seen techs or techies minimize the importance of antimalware
programs. Frankly, I consider this to be the overconfidence of
knowledge. I believe that safety is the lesson of knowledge and
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@...>
*Sent:* Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:52 AM
*To:* <>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Anti Virus

I agree, the first point of security should be your head.
Next I'd use something like firefox with better privacy for flash
cookies, ublock for adds, and noscript for scripts.
That way if you click malware it may not run.
To be honest I have been tempted to get more passive protection that
gets stuff before it handles things.

On 20/11/2016 6:44 a.m., Brian Vogel wrote:
I have seen virtually any antivirus or security suite you can name
either praised to the high heavens or called almost completely
useless. It really depends on who's doing the reviewing and the
metrics they're using.

As has been said here, and elsewhere, antivirus programs are not
and should not be considered your first line of defense against
infection. Your own browsing habits play a far, far greater role in
that. Good browsing hygiene will keep you quite safe, if not 100% so.

If you have not been infected nor had whatever antivirus or
security program you've been using report anything being quarantined
in a very long time you can be reasonably certain that your browsing
habits are OK. If you're constantly infected or have things
quarantined without actually having been infected it would be very
wise to start looking at precisely when, how, and why this is
happening. Most infections are the direct result of user action, not
some backdoor entry.

Windows Defender has proven more than adequate for more users on
more machines than I can count at this point in my career. Nothing
is perfect, some competitors may be better, but Windows Defender is
not even close to "junk".

This thread entitled, Windows Defender as an integral part of
Windows 10 (
) , which just started yesterday on's Windows 10
Support Forum, is worth reading [disclaimer: I've got two posts in
that thread so far, but that's not why I think it's worth looking at].

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