my computer is not modern.
i use windows xp ram 2gb and cpu 2 also.

On 12/4/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

That assumption is usually wrong. At times, an add on may cause a
problem
in performance of some sort but add ons are just small bits of code that,
in
most cases, do nothing or almost nothing unless the user takes an action
that gets them to do something or unless they are intended to be
generally
active such as an add on to add a certain synthesizer to NVDA. In that
case, of course, the add on is always active when the synthesizer is in
use.
But add ons should not affect adversely, performance of programs in
general. Even if an add on monitors the activity in a program and
automatically does something when wanted or needed, modern computers are
so
fast that the activity of the add on uses such a tiny amount of the
capacity
of the computer that any possible slowing of performance is so tiny that
it
is unnoticeable.

If add ons adversely affected performance, they wouldn't be as popular as
they are. One reason people use Firefox, for example, is because of the
great number of add ons they have to choose from when deciding if they
want
to add features or functions. A large number of NVDA users use add ons
as
well.

Without good reasons, such as reports from a number of reliable users or
observations you make yourself, often in more than one situation, of a
problem or idea about how something affects performance, assumptions
should
not be made. They are unsupported and may lead, as in this case, to
needlessly not getting benefits or advantages that are available.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 6:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash


i know that its safe to install addons from the original sites.
but i prefer that use only programs not addons.
i am sure that the main program without addons are more fast, stable
and reliable.

On 12/4/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:

I'm sure somebody will say that you need at least two browsers and you
really do need an ad blocker as well. I think you are safe with the
nvda
add ons from the official site, since they have been checked out.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 4:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash


hi gene thanks so much for helping me and your helpful informations
about addons and malwarebytes.
i use only one browser and i try to remove another ones even internet
explorer for many reasons!
i tried webvisum for month and always it causes crashes for my firefox.
so, i removed it many months ago!
i even dont install any addon for nvda!
only i use the installer version of nvda without no addons and
completely i am satisfied from it.

On 12/4/16, David <trailerdavid@...> wrote:

The NoScript add-on for firefox, is extremely simple to use. And it
works all by key commands, so is fully accessible. The difference with
and without it running, in certain cases could be described as nothing
less than extreme.

Get it installed, by downloading it from the official Firefox Add-On
website. Note that if you get copies from outside that site, the add-on
might not be signed, hence will be blocked in Firefox 45 or above.

Once installed, go ahead and do your browsing as normal. When you get
to
a page which might seem cluttered, or in any other way trouble you, do
as follow.

Hit the App-key, alternatively Shift-F10, to open the application menu.
Arrow down to the entry that says NoScript. Hit Enter, or Right-Arrow,
to open the submenu.

You now will see a list of all scripts that are tied to this site. For
each script, there will be two entries. One to permanently allow the
script, and one for only temporarily allowing the script running. All
scripts that has not been allowed, will automatically be blocked.

So, scroll your way down the scripts, allowing the ones you will know
you can trust, and which will not cause trouble. If you are in doubt of
one of the entries, simply try with it blocked, and then try
temporarily
allowing it. The temporary allowance will stay in effect, long as you
are on that particular site. Leaving the site, and then revisiting it,
only the permanently allowed scripts will stay allowed. Even if you
find
that one script - which you previously have allowed - causes you some
trouble, you can easily go into the NoScript submenu and block it from
future run.

The NoScript also has its own Options page, where you can set numerous
behavial options for the add-on's functionality. For instance, I have
set mine to give a sound signal, whenever it is blocking scripts.
Thereby I know that there might be a chance things will change, if I
try
unblocking some scripts. Useful when you hit a new site, and think it
should show more info than what is currently the case.

One place I do see a whole big difference with the add-on running, is
when visiting sites on EBay. Some of their scripts are simply just
causing big issues with a screen reader. Blocking them with NoScript is
a matter of a breeze, and results in the EBay system to be far more
blind friendly. Other netshops, or sites that are loaded with ads,
might
be far more accessible, when you block some of all the visualizing
scripts, and other fancy-ware they love to put on modern webpages.

Yet another good thing about NoScript, is this:
Many fo the scripts you will experience on the websites you visit, tend
to install cookies on your computer. These might in turn cause trouble.
For instance, a cookie on your computer, might cause certain background
activity to keep in business, even when you leave the website that
initiated the script. Such could be the trouble that causes a screen
reader to malfunction. Have seen this numerous times. Since NoScript
blocks the script from initiating itself, it also blocks the cookie
from
being installed on your computer, hence no further activity of that
script can take place. Your system simply might just benefit from the
less polluted environment.

Like I said, many websites these days, tend to load your system with
numerous, less beneficial scripts. For instance, there ar many scripts
that will activate advertisements on the site. Others intend to give
the
website a more fancy look, that is, for the sighted person. For the
screen reader, it could mean the whole page to be inaccessible. Some
scripts are collecting statistical information about your browsing
behavior; who knows what they are going to use that for. And still
others will cause the page to be constantly updated, like in the case
of
EBay sites. Blocking these scripts, will cause your screen reader to
get
a more stabil webpage to read.

For those who have not yet given the NoScript add-on for Firefox a try,
I strongly recommend it. It has been around for a number of years, is
totally free, receives frequent updates, and has been suggested for
many
a screen reader user.. In fact, it was another user who adviced I give
it a try. And I have never looked back. It is the number one add-on I
install on new installations of Firefox.

David


On 12/3/2016 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
> The way you discussed enabling or disabling JAVA script in
about:config is one way. There is a plug in named no script but I
haven't used it enough to evaluate it well. I'm not sure how easy it
is
to use it to block scripts and unblock them. Others will probably
comment on that.
>
> One convenient option is to use two different copies of Firefox
portable on your machine. Or you could use the installed version and
have a copy of Firefox portable on the same machine. You would have
JAVA scripts disabled in one of the programs and enabled in the other.
You could easily and conveniently use one browser on a site where you
want to use JAVA scripts and the other browser where you don't want to
use them. You wouldn't have to then keep changing settings in the
browser.
>
> Gene
>
> From: nasrin khaksar
> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 9:45 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash
>
> hi geen again.
> you rescued me from a very big concern!
> i realy pray for you and admire your help and useful informations.
> and thanks so much for the great news about reduce use of flash in
firefox!
> about your question, when i realy need one audio file, i select to
> open it with the potplayer or download it.
> and when i dont need it, i benefit from not waisting of my internet
charge!
> and how do you activate and deactivate javascript when you need and
> dont need it?
> i only know that about:config and make true and false
javascript.enabled.
>
> On 12/3/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> > I don't see why you would have a JAVA plugin if you didn't install
the JAVA
> > program. The plugin is installed by JAVA.
> >
> > As far as JAVA settings in the about:config settings are
concerned,
as far
> > as I can see, they all apply to JAVA script, not to JAVA, the
program. The
> > one I wasn't sure of, I did a Google search on and it has nothing
to do with
> > JAVA, the program.
> >
> > Gene
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: nasrin khaksar
> > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 7:49 AM
> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash
> >
> >
> > hi gene.
> > thanks for your useful information.
> > i never dont install java program but i am afraid always that is
it
> > possible that java plugin works in the browser without installing
java
> > program?
> > if its no, whats the reason that i see java plugin in firefox
> > about:config and i change plugin.state.java to 0?
> > i use windows xp and the newer versions of java and also firefox
53
> > and later, dont support xp.
> > which version of windows, do you use?
> > thanks and God bless you for your help.
> >
> > On 12/3/16, Brice Mijares <bricemijares@...> wrote:
> >> I read some where last week where FX will prevent adobe flash
from
> >> working by summer of 2017.
> >>
> >> On 12/3/2016 12:18 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
> >>> hi.
> >>> i recommend you not to use java and flash for there security
problems.
> >>> i never dont install and use them and i did not see any problem
for
> >>> this.
> >>>
> >>> On 12/3/16, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...> wrote:
> >>>> I think OP wants an answer to their problem. I will try this
with
> >>>> Chrome
> >>>> later, and I apologise for hijacking the thread.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> OP is having an issue I had previously that was fixed by "Kill
> >>>> Windowless
> >>>> Flash", which was a useful script but no longer seems to be
working
> >>>> with
> >>>> current Firefox. NVDA doesn't let you into certain embedded
objects if
> >>>> you
> >>>> don't have this script, instead saying "Embedded Object
Unavailable."
> >>>> Is
> >>>> there a fix for this that doesn't involve the apparently
defunct
"Kill
> >>>> Windowless Flash" Greasemonkey script?
> >>>>
> >>>> On 3/12/2016 4:41 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> let me clerify a point. Flash isn't crashing. Rather, nvda is
failing
> >>>> to
> >>>> access the object. A situation directly the fault of nvda.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 12/3/2016 7:42 AM, Gene wrote:
> >>>> Proof of what? I think it's likely that Flash would run
properly
in
> >>>> Chrome
> >>>> on the machine. I won't have proof unless it is tried. We
don't know
> >>>> if
> >>>> Flash is crashing because Flash is crashing or if Flash is
crashing
> >>>> because
> >>>> of some sort of problem when it is run with Firefox. Chrome
isn't
> >>>> perfectly
> >>>> accessible but it is reasonably so and should serve quite well
when
> >>>> used
> >>>> on
> >>>> sites with flash. Chrome has quirks when working with settings
and I'm
> >>>> not
> >>>> sure if it reads all structures on web pages as well as Firefox
but
> >>>> when
> >>>> used on web pages, it is nearly as accessible, if not as
accessible, as
> >>>> Chrome. And for this very limited use, there may be no need to
work
> >>>> with
> >>>> settings.
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course, working on why flash is crashing with the browser
currently
> >>>> being
> >>>> used could be investigated on a technical list of blind users
or
on a
> >>>> site
> >>>> like Bleeping Computer. It would probably be faster and easier
to just
> >>>> try
> >>>> Chrome.
> >>>>
> >>>> Gene
> >>>>
> >>>> From: enes sarıbaş<mailto:enes.saribas@...>
> >>>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 10:10 PM
> >>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> do you have actual proof of this? Since adobe flash, is the
same
flash
> >>>> used
> >>>> in chrome, I would asume the same problems exist. Also,
chrome
had
> >>>> accessibility issues last I remember.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 12/3/2016 7:06 AM, Gene wrote:
> >>>> I'm not sure but this is a very good example of why you should
use more
> >>>> than
> >>>> one browser. If you use Chrome for sites where you want to use
Flash,
> >>>> you
> >>>> will probably have no problem. Flash is built into Chrome so
you don't
> >>>> have
> >>>> to install or update it. It updates itself automatically
within
> >>>> Chrome.
> >>>>
> >>>> Gene
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: Sharni-Lee Ward<mailto:sharni-lee.ward@...>
> >>>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 9:18 PM
> >>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash
> >>>>
> >>>> I haven't been able to use the Adobe Flash plugin for years
now.
It
> >>>> always crashes
> >>>>
> >>>> if I load a page in Firefox that happens to have Flash content.
I've
> >>>> long since given up trying and am just happy that YouTube has
an
> >>>> alternate player.
> >>>>
> >>>> If anyone could tell me why my flash player isn't working I'd
also be
> >>>> very grateful.
> >>>> On 3/12/2016 1:56 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
> >>>>> hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The kill windowless flash script seems to no longer be
working.
> >>>>> Whenever I encounter a flash object, nvda anounces it as
unavailable.
> >>>>> Is there anything I can do about this?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> > holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> > in the very authentic narration is:
> > imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> > best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> > al-islam.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>
>

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org