hello every one again and thanks so much for experience and sharing
them with me about jarte.
primo pdf, is it free? is it accessible and does it support unicode?

On 12/13/16, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

I would only recommend download from the original source, rather than a
third party site. The original page for Jarte is:
http://www.jarte.com/index.html

The direct download link is:
http://www.jarte.com/downloads/jarte_54_setup.exe

(Note that that is to version 5.4 which is current as of this post, but
will change as new versions are released).

I just tried that version and in trying to open a file created with Word
2016, I get "Jarte can only open DOCX files on computers that have
Microsoft's Office 2007 compatibility pack installed." and encouraging me
to download that.

There is a paid, "Plus" version of Jarte, although the feature list doesn't
indicate anything about a difference in the compatible file types. I would
assume that either version needs that converter.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 6:26 AM, Peter Beasley <pjbeasley23@...>
wrote:

I use Jarte plus and havbe no problems.

*From:* Gene <gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2016 5:53 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:

I have JARTE on my machine but not a current version. The only way to
test this may be to install the current version and find out. Or the
answer may be found in a google search. Whatever the case, I may do some
checking if we don't get a definite answer from other list members.

Gene
----- original Message -----
*From:* Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...>
*Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2016 11:12 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:


I am not sure about it. I also think that its work is based on an older
wordpad-based platform. I mentioned Jarte yesterday because it reads all
in
relation to text selection. Sorry for not knowing how to answer your
questions. I have explored Jarte, but not recently. I would recommend you
to visit the Jarte site at:



www.jarte.com



so that you get familiar with its features.

On 12/12/2016 1:32 PM, Gene wrote:

Does JARTE in its current version read docx files? Not using ribbons
implies that it is still using the old Wordpad Code. The old Wordpads
require you to install a conversion utility to be able to read docx
files.
And you can't save docx files in the docx format after you modify them.
You must save them in a different format.

The question is whether JARTE can now work with docx files fully and
without the conversion utility?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...>
*Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2016 4:56 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:

I am sure that it opens TXT documents. It opens large documents, too. As
to the rest of your questions, explore Jarte, so that you may be able to
find out whether it will meet your requirements.


There is one more thing about the programme:


When you wish to open a document, without intending to make changes to
the document, you can choose a mode called Read only, which can be
checked and/or unchecked by pressing the space bar.


How to find that option?


When you open the Jarte programme, hit control plus O to bring up the
standard open dialogue pane. Then press tab around till you hear Read
only checkbox not checked. If you wish to read without editing, check
it, so that it may be read only. I like the option so much.


You can also use Jarte to export documents in HTML and in some other
formats.


What is missing in Jarte?


You cannot read tables in Jarte.


But, if you know that they exist in your documents, try exporting them
into HTML, so that either Internet Explorer or Mozilla Firefox can do
the job for you.


www.jarte.com


On 12/12/2016 9:10 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi dejan and gene.
thanks so much for your guide about jarte.
does jarte support microsoft office formats?
can it open very large documents?
can i read docx and save my documents as docx with jarte?
i realy wish to use it and i hate from ribbon.
but unfortunately currently, it does not support unicode! and i cant
use my documents which are in farsi!
i sent email for developers and request inclusion of unicode.
and they mentioned, that it needs a very big change in the core of
program and also we have many requests about unicode except you.
when it can supports unicode, can i replace it with any office program
microsoft office, libreoffice and openoffice?
does it handle my basic needs and does it have support for microsoft
different formats?

On 12/12/16, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Running Windows 7 Home Premium with NVDA 2016.3. I can open Notepad,

open

a document (I wasn't sure about the original phrasing of "selecting
documents", I thought maybe it meant in the file open / save dialog.
I
worked out I think it meant selecting text in a document).

Everything reads as expected. The only thing that doesn't read is if
I

try

and press SHIFT+DOWN ARROW from the very bottom line in the file.
This

is

the way NotePad works however, rather than a flaw in NVDA. It doesn't

move

down a line from the bottom line, therefore it doesn't select
anything,
therefore nothing happens and NVDA doesn't report anything. To select

the

entire file, including the last line, do one of the following:

- Press control+a - this selects the entire text.
- When on the last line, press shift+end - this selects to the end of

the

current line.
- To select from the current point to the end of the file, press
shift+control+end. This selects from the current point to the end of

the

document.

Replace end with home in those last two commands to select from the

current

point to the start of the line or document as appropriate.

Otherwise, the only thing I can think of is if something else has
stolen
focus and shift+down arrow doesn't do anything in that other program?

In

that case, press NVDA+T to read the title bar, or NVDA+tab to read the
current control with focus. In Notepad NVDA+T will read "filename -
notepad" - where filename is the name of the current file. In
Notepad,
NVDA+TAB will read "Edit, multiline focussed", then either the
selected
text, or the current line.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 12:02 PM, David Moore
<jesusloves1966@...
wrote:

Hi,

I can use all of the Windows commands to select, copy, and paste text
with
Notepad and Wordpad. I am using win10 1607 version with JAWS 18 and

NVDA

2016.3, and all of this works for me with both screen readers. I just
wanted you to know.

David Moore

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10



*From: *Gene <gsasner@...>
*Sent: *Sunday, December 11, 2016 8:22 AM

*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:



Then it isn't with Wordpad? You originally said it was with both.
That
makes me suspect that something is wrong with how Windows is working

with

notepad or with notepad itself.



I need to add more information to my last message. After you try to
select text with shift down arrow, you nee to copy it to the
clipboard,
control c, before trying the read clipboard command I gave.



If Notepad isn't selecting text but Wordpad is, you may want to open

text

files in Wordpad where you want to select in this way. Also, you

haven't

said anything about what happens when you select in other ways. What
happens if you use shift and right arrow to move and select by

character?

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:* nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...>

*Sent:* Sunday, December 11, 2016 6:42 AM

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

*Subject:* Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:



the problem is only with windows notepad and .txt document.

On 12/11/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

no.
without starting nvda and document maximize.

On 12/11/16, Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...> wrote:

Have you tried restarting NVDA while a document is open? Do you
have

a

document maximized when selecting a piece of text?


On 12/11/2016 11:22 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:

yes.
after openning files in wordpad and notepad, with shift+down, nvda
says
nothing.

On 12/11/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>

wrote:

My guess is that the views used are not the same. I'm assuming
you
mean
when you want to open a file?

Brian

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Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 5:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:

hello every one.
one of my friends uses windows seven with nvda 16.3
when wantes to select documents in wordpad and notepad, with
shift
down arrow key, nvda says nothing about the document and also
its
selection.
i mean in this case, nvda does not say anything.
but the mozilla firefox and selection

works good as normal.
whats the prublem and whats the solution?--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org

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