I don't mind moving the mouse pointer when I have to and I use Window
Eyes mouse keys to do so. Otherwise, I don't care where something
is on the screen as long as I can get to it, first with keystrokes and
then with mouse keys.
earlier, David Moore, wrote:
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Hi all,
There is something else that excites me about the golden cursor. I like
to be able to do a task like a sighted person does instead of always
using navigation commands. It is harder to move the mouse instead of
using object review or screen review, and routing the mouse to that spot.
However, when I can move my mouse around and find a control in a program
with the mouse pointer, it sure gives me a sense of satisfaction. I get
so excited, when I can do something like a sighted person. I use object
and screen review to the max, and do everything I can with key commands,
but it really excites me when I can move the mouse pointer around and
find something just like a sighted person. When I show a sighted person
how I move the mouse pointer and save positions with Golden cursor, that
excites them about my assistive technology much more than when they see
me using key commands. We all need to show off what we can do to sighted
friends, to get the sighted excited about what the blind can do. So,
there is a reason to use the Golden cursor for excitement and fun, and
not just to get the job done. I don't like to just get the job done. I
like to get a visual picture of everything and do something just like I
would if I was sighted. I don't know if any of you feel that way or not.
I want the sighted seeing my technology, as well as the blind. Moving the
mouse with Golden cursor, is something sighted friends can really relate
to, because they use the mouse. I only use a computer a third of the time
to get the job done. The other two thirds of the time is to be
adventurous and try doing tasks different ways, and always be researching
how something might be done. A lot of inventions have been made by doing
just that, not just getting the job done. I am a research person, not
someone who just wants to get the job done. Maybe that is why I get
excited over something like Golden cursor, because you can actually move
the mouse around. I can't stress enough, that it really helps the blind
to have a visual picture of where everything is on the screen. If you
always use key commands, you do not know the visual layout, and where
things are in your mind. I am a very visual person even though I am
blind, if that makes sense. I had half of my sight until I was 15, and I
constantly think as I saw then. I am 50 now, and I still have good light
perception. Maybe that makes a difference of why I have to have a visual
picture of everything to be happy. Only using key commands, a blind
person is left without a visual reference. I am always asking sighted
people where the mouse is on the computer screen if I am using JAWS. This
is why I love NVDA and Golden Cursor, because I can hear in pixels of
where something is on the screen, and get a picture in my mind of where
that is. No matter what I do, even with key commands, I want to see it in
my mind like I am looking at the screen. Does anyone else feel like this.
I learn better if I can see something in my mind instead of just
memorizing a bunch of key commands and not having a visual reference of
what those commands are doing on the screen. It is the same with me and a
phone. I want to picture the icons and everything. I wish NVDA told us
what the icons looked like, what color they are and so on. Let me know
what you think about all of this. Let us love technology as well as just
getting the job done. Take care, guys,
David Moore
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From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 11:37 PM
To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?
I didn't say that. I said that numpad insert numpad slash moves the
mouse to the location of the review cursor. I also said that the
left click command is numpad slash. Just numpad slash by
itself.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Travis Siegel
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 10:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?
In your original email, you said that numpad zero/insert and the slash
key would move the cursor to the location of the mouse. I'm saying
that command performs a left click, it does not move the mouse cursor (or
any other cursor) anywhere, if you want to move the cursor, you want the
shift-numpad-dash key combination. That's all I'm saying now, and
that's all I said to start with. Go back and read your email again
(I did), and it clearly says move the cursor with the numpad and slash
key combo, that information is incorrect, I simply corrected that
information, that's all, this doesn't have to be a long drawn out thread,
simply to correct a key combination.
On 2/2/2017 12:26 PM, Gene wrote:
- I just looked at the commands given on the Golden Cursor page.
No such commands are given.
-
- Gene
- ----- Original Message -----
- From: Gene
- Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:12 AM
- To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
- Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?
-
- Are you giving commands for NVDA or the Golden cursor add on?
The commands may be correct for the Golden Cursor add on, I don't
know. For NVDA the move mouse to review position is as I
stated. For NVDA, to click the mouse command is numpad slash.
-
- Gene
- ----- Original Message -----
- From: Travis Siegel
- Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:25 AM
- To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
- Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?
-
- The command to move the focus to something is shift-numpad zero-dash
This will move the actual focus of the mouse to the position in
question. I believe the numpad zero-slash key simulates a left
button click, not actual focus movement.
-
-
- On 2/2/2017 8:23 AM, Gene wrote:
- In the first copy of this message I sent to the list I mistakenly
have a phrase at the end that says something like announce items under
the mouse. That was an error and I have removed it from this
copy.
-
- Gene
-
- There may be objects you can find with the mouse that you can't find
using object review or screen review, I don't know. But much of
what is being described in terms of looking at a screen and finding
things can be done with screen review or object review. Sometimes,
one of those modes finds something another doesn't find. And the
thing about the Golden cursor, as I understand it, is that you can set
pixel points to move immediately to something. But people who don't
properly learn to use object navigation and screen review are doing
themselves a disservice if they are advanced users and want to do things
that can't be done with standard keyboard navigation.
-
- If you find something using object review or screen review and want
to move the simulated mouse to it, using the desktop layout, the command
to move the mouse is numpad insert numpad slash. Hold numpad insert
and, while doing so, press numpad slash. I don't use the laptop
layout and don't know the command. In most cases, the mouse will
now be at the position of the object. You should now be able to use
the Golden cursor to set a return point.
-
- I haven't used the Golden cursor because I don't use programs where
doing so is an advantage. But as I understand the description given
of how to use it, a good deal of the excitement is the result of not
using object navigation and screen review to advantage.
-
- Gene
- ----- Original Message -----
- From: Antony
Stone
- Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 4:41 AM
- To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
- Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?
-
- If NVDA could know where all the interesting or useful objects were,
I think
- we'd have a far better way of interacting with them instead of having
to move
- the mouse pointer around.
- The problem (or at least one of them) is that you often don't know
where an
- object is or what it can do until you put the mouse pointer on top of
it.
- Antony.
- On Thursday 02 February 2017 at 11:26:41, john s wrote:
- > I would find this mouse movement more exciting if
- > the pointer would move from object to object rather than by
number of
- > pixels.
- --
- All generalisations are inaccurate.
-
Please reply to the list;
-
please *don't* CC me.
-
John
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