Re: problem reading mail


Gene
 

Then don't use logic if parts of the categories organization of a ribbon are too arbitrary to make good sense, at least to you.  In an unfamiliar program, tab through every item in every ribbon and make notes of the key sequences to cause something to occur or something like a dialog to open when working in the program.  When working with menus, you do the same thing to use menus efficiently.  Most people don't down arrow to save as in the file menu and press enter.  They use short cut sequences, alt f a. 
 
As for the logic itself, isn't it logical that items dealing with copy and paste be found in the clipboard grouping category?  Isn't it logical that actions such as reply or forward be found in a ribbon e-mail program in a category called something like respond? 
 
Just because organization is different from what you are used to doesn't mean it is illogical.  You may like or dislike the organization but it is not illogical.
 
But again, if I use an item regularly, I memorize the sequence and I don't keep going through the ribbon to get to it. 
 
gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 3:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem reading mail

I do agree totally. Ribbons  to me are like throwing toolbars, dialogues and
options all up in theaire and then when they land  joining them all together
in a random way with bits of string. Logic is out the window, and the pun
was intended.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
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Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem reading mail


> Actually what really gets my goat is that bar microsoft ribbons are not
> the industry standard.
> Ie every other bit of software I have used bar ms software does not have
> ribbons.
> We will just have to download system hacking tools to turn it off.
> Issue is with windows updating itself we will have to rerun these hack
> tools every month.
> This is not what I hoped.
> Yes I can manage the ribbon for a few things but I still can't do a select
> all as such in explorer, replace multiple files at once without a tedious
> copy past op hitting alt y or space a bunch of times, etc.
> I have managed to load the right sequences in office I need to do my job
> which is to say update office and check for mail in outlook but I can't
> say I have mastered ribbons either.
> Its why I am still on win7 and will while I have a legal coppy continue.
> Ofcause if ms doesn't improve, I will have to decide if I continue to stay
> legal and get an older computer with win7 or not.
> Or simply get a win10 computer for the net, and a win7 or heck windows xp
> system so I can do everything else that doesn't need me to be online.
> I was hoping ms would realise that ribbons are just what it thinks they
> have not caught on like they thought.
> And I think we should have theo ption to run ribbons in office and windows
> or just menus as normal.
>
>
>
> On 17/02/2017 6:28 a.m., Ron Canazzi wrote:
>> ...and while I respect Gene for most issues, when ever he has said in
>> the past that ribbons are easy once you get used to them, and I ask
>> about just how to use them in Excel--he or any of the other 'get on the
>> ball blinky' advocates of ribbons have no clue as to how to answer me.
>> I have some basic shortcuts I have been given by those forced to use the
>> newer Excel and Access version, but that's about it.  None who use
>> ribbons for complex suite such as Office do anything other than memorize
>> shortcuts to achieve basic functions.  Fortunately some of the older
>> ones such as Control + S for save and alt + F, A for save as still work,
>> but having real command of ribbons in complex programs still alludes
>> most blind people.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/16/2017 11:17 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
>>> Well I'm not rising to your bait. I meerely present what is not an
>>> uncommon view amongst blind users of windows.
>>>
>>> Brian
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>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 1:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] problem reading mail
>>>
>>>
>>> What do you mean the only useable one.  You mean the only one you
>>> liked because you hate ribbons.  That is different than the only
>>> useable one.  The later version is perfectly useable.  If you are
>>> willing to use ribbons, it is just as useable as the old version.
>>>
>>> Microsoft doesn't provide the installer for the old version any longer
>>> but the full installer for the old version is available from
>>> individuals who have it.  I have it and I expect other list members
>>> have it as well.
>>>
>>> Outlook Express in the version that has been modified to work in
>>> Windows 7 and higher works well for some people and not for others.
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> Gene----- Original Message -----
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Brian's Mail list account
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:29 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] problem reading mail
>>>
>>>
>>> I think it happens on Windows Live mail but there are a number of
>>> different
>>> versions knocking around. To me the only usable one was the version
>>> using
>>> old style menus, which microsoft now seems to have removed as a
>>> download and
>>> the version is always asking to update or to go over tto the latest
>>> app. I
>>> don't think the app in 10 has support for Usenet so I'm loathe to do
>>> that
>>> change, and in any case Outlook express with the files that emulate
>>> the old
>>> html etc displays of xp seems to owork well and I do not begrudge the
>>> 20 Eu
>>> it costs for three keys at all as the guy is very helpful.
>>> This will do me for years unless nobody does pop3 email any more.
>>> Brian
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>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen"
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>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 10:36 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] problem reading mail
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Gary,
>>>>
>>>> I must admit I haven't been using the mail app much.  I just had a look
>>>> and
>>>> found a couple of times it opened the message and I had to press
>>>> NVDA+down
>>>> arrow to read, but most time (even on the same messages), it read fine.
>>>>
>>>> Would love to get some more info if anyone else is experiencing this
>>>> (or
>>>> not) and particularly if anyone can better pin down exactly when it
>>>> does
>>>> and doesn't read automatically?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Quentin.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 6:13 AM, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I just updated to nvda 2017.rc1.  I am using wlm as my mail client.
>>>>> It
>>>>> used to be when I open a message I would hit the up arrow key and nvda
>>>>> would start reading the message.  Now, I have to hit the key for it to
>>>>> read
>>>>> the message.  Also I hear the word pane is this the way it will be?
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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