Re: Can I still get it for free


Well to be honest till they basically died out serial synths with a command line has always been reasonably accessible especially with us dos users.
gnome2 has always been good enough for use.
The latest linux with all the different sound cards and software speech as well as gnome 3, gnome shell, unity and other things are a bit more of a challenge, kde wasn't accessible before it aparently is as well as lxde and mate but a lot of that stuff is not on the official front there are so many branches you need to follow one of them.
Gnome2 is like win xp, gnome shell is like 7 and up, I am not sure about the rest but that lxde and lfce are desktops for smaller units and are reasonably new but I have pulled out of linux for a while because of not having a machine to dabble or time to fiddle with it.

On 9/03/2017 7:34 a.m., Travis Siegel wrote:
Linux is plenty accessible. I've been using linux since somewhere
around 1992, and I've had much better success on linux than I have had
on any other operating system.
Now, with that said, I'd like to throw in the caveat that I'm a power
user, rarely use the full-blown gui interface, and prefer command lines.
The most accessible gui I've ever found is on the mac under OSX, and I
use that too, as well as windows. I use what's best for the current
task at hand, and don't quible about which one is better. They all have
their place, linux works with orca, mac works with voiceover, windows
works with NVDA (and others), and how much each one works is partly up
to the user. I also use BSD for certain tasks, and it's likely I'd use
other operating systems too if I had them lying around here. I even
used a raspberry pi for more than a year as my main computer, so I'm
flexible, and don't care what's at hand, I'll use what's available, and
manage to get things done, whether that's linux, windows, OSX, raspbian,
BSD, dos, or some other operating system. As long as I can access it, I
can find ways to get things done.

On Wed, 8 Mar 2017, Gene wrote:

From what I've heard, accessibility isn't as good in Linux. I'm not
Linux is less accessible. But I've heard from more than one person on
or two lists that Linux screen-readers aren't as good. I'd want to
see more
opinions on how horrible an operating system Windows is. I remain

----- Original Message -----
From: David F.
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I still get it for free

This is why I wish I had the brains to learn Linux

From: [] On Behalf Of erik
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I still get it for free

Gene, Here is my reasonable take on this based on my more than 15
years of
in depth experience not only of windows, but also other major operating

First, windows is a terrible product in any itteration. There isn't a
single thing windows does better than other operating systems except for
arketecture support. It's the most expensive operating system to
if you remove hardware from the equation. Windows supports cheeper
than the competition but that doesn't negate the fact that windows
itself is
the highest priced operating system on the market. Windows is also more
expensive to maintain. In fact, an upgrade from windows seven to
windows 10
takes about two hours time. If you have to fully patch windows seven
sp1 it
takes between 3 and 6 hours depending on connection speed. If you're
by the hour, which would you choose?

Windows is the least secure of all the major OS, further compounding the
astronomical maintanence cost and driving down productivity. I have
not yet
had to hack windows 10, but I have windows seven. In windows seven it is
common place for programs to allow themselves transparently through
built in
firewalling. It is also common place for programs to run as
without requiring the administrator account to be enabled or requiring an
administrator password. It is possible for programs to sircomvent the
notification system that works on the front line, and it's even
possible and
considered advisable by many people to turn the security notifications
altogether. In fact, it is possible when sitting at the keyboard of a
windows seven workstation to gain administrator access without logging
in at
all, to add, remove, or rename windows system files, to take command line
control of a workstation, and to perform any command line function
enabling or disabling the administrator account and changing account
credentials, all without logging in. Litterally any improvement would be
better than the attrocity that is windows seven security.

Microsoft interface design is terrible. Ribbons and tiles are only two
examples of design choices meant to set windows apart from competetors
had the effect of alienating users. Windows 10 does the smart thing and
returns the windows interface to a more desktop feel.

Windows only gets a refresh every three years or so. That means a lot
happens in the computer world between releases. Because the releases are
alternately pretty decent over all come terrible to the point of
uselessness, windows appeals to pundets who don't like change and want to
hault progress. Fine, but windows seven is coming up on 8 years old
and we
are still talking about support for windows xp being discontinued.
else in the world of operating systems are we talking about support for 8
year old software, and 17 year old software isn't even available for
download on pirate sites. Computers that shipped with windows 7 at
the time
of the release of windows 8 are now end of lifed, and yet, I was still
to buy and install a windows seven a month ago. The cost to
developers of
supporting four operating systems spanning 11 years: ten, eight, seven
vista, is astronomical, and you lucky end-user, get to pay the bill. The
cost of windows software over all is significantly higher than on any
operating system, and part of the reason is that windows users live in
past more than any other userbase.

Windows ten continues to be a free upgrade for current users of seven and
eight, long after it was supposed to switch to a completely paid
The minimum and recommended hardware configurations are similar to
those of
windows seven. Upgrading usually brings better plug and play hardware
support and other items under the hood that users would miss if they were

There are features I like in windows ten such as it's minimalist email
and it's improved tts voices. Then there are things I'm not too pleased
with such as the loss of control over windows update and the increased
relience on ribbons. True, we don't really have enough information about
this particular case to make a recommendation one way or the other,
but in
general, it is more than time to leave windows seven behind unlesss
you have
some substantial reason not to, such as loss of support for a crutial
of hardware.

All upgrades on all systems require a bit of retraining for new
features or
fernature that moves, but that is part and parcel of computing.
Windows ten
is market tested, reliable and functional at this point. Staying with
windows seven just because is fine for now if that's your personal
but if you're supporting or recommending on a pro or semipro basis, the
recommendation has to be to upgrade at this point unless circomstances
dictate otherwise.



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On March 8, 2017 8:39:42 AM "Gene" <> wrote:

You have made a statement and not given any reasons supporting
it. That doesn't tell us anything except that you believe
something. People may have reasons to upgrade from Windows 7
and Microsoft has recently claimed that for security reasons,
you should upgrade because Windows 7 is not secure enough
anymore because it isn't a new enough operating system to
incorporate newer security features. I haven't seen any
independent discussion concerning this. But there are always
problems that may occur when updating and in this case, the
point was stated that this is an old computer. You don't just
upgrade. While many upgrades from Windows 7 go well, you can't
assume they will. I don't think it?s a good idea to urge
upgrading as a general practice. Why is an upgrade being
considered? What features, if any, will be used or are desired
by upgrading? Has the computer been tested for compatibility of
the upgrade?


----- Original Message -----

From: enes sar?ba?

Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 7:21 AM


Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I still get it for free

that is an extremely bad suggesstion. If you don't have a very good
reason to not update, it is generally a good idea to update.

On 3/8/2017 4:04 PM, Gene wrote:

Is there a specific reason you want to use Windows 10?
You can upgrade for free but I don't know the procedure.
others, I expect, will advise you. You say it's an old
laptop. There is a Microsoft site you can use to have
your computer evaluated to see if it is able to be
upgraded. But unless there is a specific feature you
want, I would advise leaving well enough alone.


----- Original Message -----

From: Sakina

Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 6:53 AM


Subject: [nvda] Can I still get it for free

Hello gene and Friends,

I have got this passed down old laptop from a friend that has
got window 7

Please forgive me for my terminology below

I wish to update or is called upgrade to window 10

Is it possible and can I still get the window 10 for free?

If yes, than please how do I go about.

I will be and always am grateful for your help and guidance.

Thanking you all again.

With best wishes




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