Re: Can I still get it for free

Angelo Sonnesso

You certainly did.
Most of the driver issues in Windows 10 have been resolved, remember I said most.

73 N2DYN Angelo

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From: [] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 4:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I still get it for free

Who suggested Linux? I may have missed an episode here.
I know Sakina aand I doubt she would be interested in Linux. Even I would not go down that road as its anarchy access wise.
Apparently I've been told that the special VI offer is still obtainable for free, but my original comments about drivers for laptops still stands.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Angelo Sonnesso" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I still get it for free

You can certainly run Linux with a Windows like interface.

There are some differences, but they are not bad.

You do have the command line is you want to get geeky, but you don’t have to
these days.

I personally like Vinux, designed for the Blind.

I must confess I am usually running Debian, or Ubuntu Linux.

Maybe you can give it a try in a virtual computer, and see what you think.

I ran a CP/m machine for years, and you talk about a learning curve, but you
make do with what is available.

Having said all of that, once you get Windows 10 setup it is much more
secure than ever.

It does get the job done.

73 N2DYN Angelo

From: [] On Behalf Of David F.
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I still get it for free

This is why I wish I had the brains to learn Linux

From: [] On Behalf Of erik
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I still get it for free

Gene, Here is my reasonable take on this based on my more than 15 years of
in depth experience not only of windows, but also other major operating

First, windows is a terrible product in any itteration. There isn't a
single thing windows does better than other operating systems except for
arketecture support. It's the most expensive operating system to implement
if you remove hardware from the equation. Windows supports cheeper hardware
than the competition but that doesn't negate the fact that windows itself is
the highest priced operating system on the market. Windows is also more
expensive to maintain. In fact, an upgrade from windows seven to windows 10
takes about two hours time. If you have to fully patch windows seven sp1 it
takes between 3 and 6 hours depending on connection speed. If you're paying
by the hour, which would you choose?

Windows is the least secure of all the major OS, further compounding the
astronomical maintanence cost and driving down productivity. I have not yet
had to hack windows 10, but I have windows seven. In windows seven it is
common place for programs to allow themselves transparently through built in
firewalling. It is also common place for programs to run as administrator
without requiring the administrator account to be enabled or requiring an
administrator password. It is possible for programs to sircomvent the
notification system that works on the front line, and it's even possible and
considered advisable by many people to turn the security notifications off
altogether. In fact, it is possible when sitting at the keyboard of a
windows seven workstation to gain administrator access without logging in at
all, to add, remove, or rename windows system files, to take command line
control of a workstation, and to perform any command line function including
enabling or disabling the administrator account and changing account
credentials, all without logging in. Litterally any improvement would be
better than the attrocity that is windows seven security.

Microsoft interface design is terrible. Ribbons and tiles are only two
examples of design choices meant to set windows apart from competetors but
had the effect of alienating users. Windows 10 does the smart thing and
returns the windows interface to a more desktop feel.

Windows only gets a refresh every three years or so. That means a lot
happens in the computer world between releases. Because the releases are
alternately pretty decent over all come terrible to the point of
uselessness, windows appeals to pundets who don't like change and want to
hault progress. Fine, but windows seven is coming up on 8 years old and we
are still talking about support for windows xp being discontinued. Nowhere
else in the world of operating systems are we talking about support for 8
year old software, and 17 year old software isn't even available for
download on pirate sites. Computers that shipped with windows 7 at the time
of the release of windows 8 are now end of lifed, and yet, I was still able
to buy and install a windows seven a month ago. The cost to developers of
supporting four operating systems spanning 11 years: ten, eight, seven and
vista, is astronomical, and you lucky end-user, get to pay the bill. The
cost of windows software over all is significantly higher than on any other
operating system, and part of the reason is that windows users live in the
past more than any other userbase.

Windows ten continues to be a free upgrade for current users of seven and
eight, long after it was supposed to switch to a completely paid product.
The minimum and recommended hardware configurations are similar to those of
windows seven. Upgrading usually brings better plug and play hardware
support and other items under the hood that users would miss if they were

There are features I like in windows ten such as it's minimalist email app
and it's improved tts voices. Then there are things I'm not too pleased
with such as the loss of control over windows update and the increased
relience on ribbons. True, we don't really have enough information about
this particular case to make a recommendation one way or the other, but in
general, it is more than time to leave windows seven behind unlesss you have
some substantial reason not to, such as loss of support for a crutial piece
of hardware.

All upgrades on all systems require a bit of retraining for new features or
fernature that moves, but that is part and parcel of computing. Windows ten
is market tested, reliable and functional at this point. Staying with
windows seven just because is fine for now if that's your personal choice,
but if you're supporting or recommending on a pro or semipro basis, the
recommendation has to be to upgrade at this point unless circomstances
dictate otherwise.



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On March 8, 2017 8:39:42 AM "Gene" <> wrote:

You have made a statement and not given any reasons supporting it. That
doesn't tell us anything except that you believe something. People may have
reasons to upgrade from Windows 7 and Microsoft has recently claimed that
for security reasons, you should upgrade because Windows 7 is not secure
enough anymore because it isn't a new enough operating system to incorporate
newer security features. I haven't seen any independent discussion
concerning this. But there are always problems that may occur when updating
and in this case, the point was stated that this is an old computer. You
don't just upgrade. While many upgrades from Windows 7 go well, you can't
assume they will. I don't think it’s a good idea to urge upgrading as a
general practice. Why is an upgrade being considered? What features, if
any, will be used or are desired by upgrading? Has the computer been tested
for compatibility of the upgrade?


----- Original Message -----

From: enes sarıbaş <>

Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 7:21 AM


Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I still get it for free

that is an extremely bad suggesstion. If you don't have a very good reason
to not update, it is generally a good idea to update.

On 3/8/2017 4:04 PM, Gene wrote:

Is there a specific reason you want to use Windows 10? You can upgrade for
free but I don't know the procedure. others, I expect, will advise you.
You say it's an old laptop. There is a Microsoft site you can use to have
your computer evaluated to see if it is able to be upgraded. But unless
there is a specific feature you want, I would advise leaving well enough


----- Original Message -----

From: Sakina <>

Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 6:53 AM


Subject: [nvda] Can I still get it for free

Hello gene and Friends,

I have got this passed down old laptop from a friend that has got window 7

Please forgive me for my terminology below

I wish to update or is called upgrade to window 10

Is it possible and can I still get the window 10 for free?

If yes, than please how do I go about.

I will be and always am grateful for your help and guidance.

Thanking you all again.

With best wishes


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