Re: Can I still get it for free

Travis Siegel

You realize that the only benefit 64-bit software offers at this time is the ability to move larger blocks of memory all at once. With programs like video editing, and graphic creation, this is a huge benefit, since the data is so large. But, in normal everyday usage, 64-bit software offers little to no benefit over 32-bit software.

It has a lot to do with the 64-bit implementation and the compiler used to do the compiling. A 64-bit processor can move larger blocks of memory, has more registers for storing data, and can process more instructions in a single clock cycle. This will make your software run faster if it's coded properly,, but often times, when transitioning from 32 to 64-bit versions of a software, absolutely nothing is done to optimize the software for 64-bit operation. Sure, the compiler does it's best to make this happen, but that's no substitute for someone who knows what they're doing, and optimizes the code themselves to take advantage of 64-bit addressing. Most of the time, there is nobody who knows how to do this, and so the benefits of 64-bit computing fall by the wayside, and you're simply stuck with a 64-bit version of a 32-bit program that does nothing to take advantage of the 64-bit addressing. Sure, it will run (slightly) faster, but without taking into account during the coding process (addressing boundaries, memory locations, data types, and so on) you won't truly see the benefit of 64-bit software for many years. The same thing happened when switching from 16 to 32-bit software. I can't tell you how many times I've seen (even relatively modern) software that still uses integers (16-bit values) to hold their data, when a long (32-bit variable) is way more efficient on 32-bit processors. Often times, just changing variable types, and recompiling software provides a modest speed increase, but this is only a single instance of what needs to happen to make a truly 64-bit world. Face it, it doesn't matter how soon operating systems and other third-party utilities switch to 64-bit software, you're still not going to see the promised speed increases because developers just aren't in the 64-bit mindset yet, and that's going to take time to fix.

It makes me laugh when folks say they want 64-bit, and they want it now, but if you were to ask them what they're expecting 64-bit improvements to give them, they have no idea how to answer the question. Don't beg for something just because it's new and shiny, that's a recipe for disaster. Let things transition on their own, and you'll get your 64-bit software, and it will be neat and clean and fast. Forcing the transition will do nothing but lead to sloppy code, and horrible implementations that reap no advantage from the 64-bit environment.

On 3/9/2017 10:02 AM, Lenron wrote:
Also I can't wait until most things have switched to 64 bit.

On 3/9/17, lenron brown <lenron93@...> wrote:
win 10 works great. Does anyone have that accessible link for those
that still need to upgrade from 7?

On 3/9/17, Angelo Sonnesso <asonnesso@...> wrote:
You certainly did.
Most of the driver issues in Windows 10 have been resolved, remember I

73 N2DYN Angelo

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Who suggested Linux? I may have missed an episode here.
I know Sakina aand I doubt she would be interested in Linux. Even I
not go down that road as its anarchy access wise.
Apparently I've been told that the special VI offer is still obtainable
free, but my original comments about drivers for laptops still stands.

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From: "Angelo Sonnesso" <asonnesso@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I still get it for free

You can certainly run Linux with a Windows like interface.

There are some differences, but they are not bad.

You do have the command line is you want to get geeky, but you don’t have

these days.

I personally like Vinux, designed for the Blind.

I must confess I am usually running Debian, or Ubuntu Linux.

Maybe you can give it a try in a virtual computer, and see what you

I ran a CP/m machine for years, and you talk about a learning curve, but

make do with what is available.

Having said all of that, once you get Windows 10 setup it is much more
secure than ever.

It does get the job done.

73 N2DYN Angelo

From: [] On Behalf Of David
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I still get it for free

This is why I wish I had the brains to learn Linux

From: [] On Behalf Of erik
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I still get it for free

Gene, Here is my reasonable take on this based on my more than 15 years

in depth experience not only of windows, but also other major operating

First, windows is a terrible product in any itteration. There isn't a
single thing windows does better than other operating systems except for
arketecture support. It's the most expensive operating system to

if you remove hardware from the equation. Windows supports cheeper

than the competition but that doesn't negate the fact that windows itself

the highest priced operating system on the market. Windows is also more
expensive to maintain. In fact, an upgrade from windows seven to windows

takes about two hours time. If you have to fully patch windows seven sp1

takes between 3 and 6 hours depending on connection speed. If you're

by the hour, which would you choose?

Windows is the least secure of all the major OS, further compounding the
astronomical maintanence cost and driving down productivity. I have not

had to hack windows 10, but I have windows seven. In windows seven it is
common place for programs to allow themselves transparently through built

firewalling. It is also common place for programs to run as
without requiring the administrator account to be enabled or requiring an
administrator password. It is possible for programs to sircomvent the
notification system that works on the front line, and it's even possible

considered advisable by many people to turn the security notifications
altogether. In fact, it is possible when sitting at the keyboard of a
windows seven workstation to gain administrator access without logging in

all, to add, remove, or rename windows system files, to take command line
control of a workstation, and to perform any command line function

enabling or disabling the administrator account and changing account
credentials, all without logging in. Litterally any improvement would be
better than the attrocity that is windows seven security.

Microsoft interface design is terrible. Ribbons and tiles are only two
examples of design choices meant to set windows apart from competetors
had the effect of alienating users. Windows 10 does the smart thing and
returns the windows interface to a more desktop feel.

Windows only gets a refresh every three years or so. That means a lot
happens in the computer world between releases. Because the releases are
alternately pretty decent over all come terrible to the point of
uselessness, windows appeals to pundets who don't like change and want to
hault progress. Fine, but windows seven is coming up on 8 years old and

are still talking about support for windows xp being discontinued.

else in the world of operating systems are we talking about support for 8
year old software, and 17 year old software isn't even available for
download on pirate sites. Computers that shipped with windows 7 at the

of the release of windows 8 are now end of lifed, and yet, I was still

to buy and install a windows seven a month ago. The cost to developers
supporting four operating systems spanning 11 years: ten, eight, seven
vista, is astronomical, and you lucky end-user, get to pay the bill. The
cost of windows software over all is significantly higher than on any

operating system, and part of the reason is that windows users live in
past more than any other userbase.

Windows ten continues to be a free upgrade for current users of seven and
eight, long after it was supposed to switch to a completely paid product.
The minimum and recommended hardware configurations are similar to those

windows seven. Upgrading usually brings better plug and play hardware
support and other items under the hood that users would miss if they were

There are features I like in windows ten such as it's minimalist email
and it's improved tts voices. Then there are things I'm not too pleased
with such as the loss of control over windows update and the increased
relience on ribbons. True, we don't really have enough information about
this particular case to make a recommendation one way or the other, but
general, it is more than time to leave windows seven behind unlesss you

some substantial reason not to, such as loss of support for a crutial

of hardware.

All upgrades on all systems require a bit of retraining for new features

fernature that moves, but that is part and parcel of computing. Windows

is market tested, reliable and functional at this point. Staying with
windows seven just because is fine for now if that's your personal
but if you're supporting or recommending on a pro or semipro basis, the
recommendation has to be to upgrade at this point unless circomstances
dictate otherwise.



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On March 8, 2017 8:39:42 AM "Gene" <gsasner@...> wrote:

You have made a statement and not given any reasons supporting it. That
doesn't tell us anything except that you believe something. People may

reasons to upgrade from Windows 7 and Microsoft has recently claimed that
for security reasons, you should upgrade because Windows 7 is not secure
enough anymore because it isn't a new enough operating system to

newer security features. I haven't seen any independent discussion
concerning this. But there are always problems that may occur when

and in this case, the point was stated that this is an old computer. You
don't just upgrade. While many upgrades from Windows 7 go well, you
assume they will. I don't think it’s a good idea to urge upgrading as a
general practice. Why is an upgrade being considered? What features, if
any, will be used or are desired by upgrading? Has the computer been

for compatibility of the upgrade?


----- Original Message -----

From: enes sarıbaş <mailto:enes.saribas@...>

Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 7:21 AM


Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I still get it for free

that is an extremely bad suggesstion. If you don't have a very good
to not update, it is generally a good idea to update.

On 3/8/2017 4:04 PM, Gene wrote:

Is there a specific reason you want to use Windows 10? You can upgrade

free but I don't know the procedure. others, I expect, will advise you.
You say it's an old laptop. There is a Microsoft site you can use to
your computer evaluated to see if it is able to be upgraded. But unless
there is a specific feature you want, I would advise leaving well enough


----- Original Message -----

From: Sakina <mailto:sakina.gable@...>

Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 6:53 AM


Subject: [nvda] Can I still get it for free

Hello gene and Friends,

I have got this passed down old laptop from a friend that has got window

Please forgive me for my terminology below

I wish to update or is called upgrade to window 10

Is it possible and can I still get the window 10 for free?

If yes, than please how do I go about.

I will be and always am grateful for your help and guidance.

Thanking you all again.

With best wishes


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