Re: Tweeking NVDA voices and function


Aravind R
 

press insert+up arrow. not control

On 4/16/17, Fantasy Sports <fantasylife@earthlink.net> wrote:
Yes, I am having no luck at all with Control plus Down Arrow in many
different situations.

Do you know if there a way to make NVDA repeat again the last thing it just
read?


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 15, 2017 10:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I haven't used read by paragraph much.  In word processors using processor
documents, it works.  I'm not sure what it does in Notepad.  And if you
read a text document in a word processor, I'm not sure what it does.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Fantasy Sports
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 9:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Okay, so from my experience so far, INSERT plus DOWN ARROW will read to
the
end of the paragraph and even beyond that, to the end of the document.

I've had some success with this, seems to work pretty well.

Unfortunately, when I'm in text or word documents or files, hitting
CONTROL plus DOWN ARROW
or other arrows is not doing anything at all.

Not sure why that is.  Maybe it is meant to work elsewhere.









-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I need to correct an important point.  I said there is no read by
paragraph command but that is not correct.  Control down arrow will move
to the next paragraph and read it.  Then issuing control down arrow again
will move to the next paragraph and read it.  Control up arrow moves to
the previous paragraph and reads it.

I thought that these commands moved you but didn't read much but I
checked to be sure and they do read the paragraph you move to.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

There is no read paragraph command.  On a web page, I don't know what
happens if you move the mouse to someplace where you want to start
reading and click.  It is my recollection that in a document in a word
processor, that moves the cursor to where you clicked and you could start
reading from there.  But on a web page, I don't know if NVDA would move
to that place on a web page.

As I said, read to end is insert and down arrow.  Hold either insert and
press down arrow on the main keyboard.  Stop reading with control.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Fantasy Sports
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Perhaps there might be easier software, perhaps I'm using the wrong tool
for the job.

However, from the amount that I've used this NVDA software so far, it
does seem to
do exactly what I need.

I really just need to learn how to navigate with the keyboard.

Can you please tell me what the command is to make it read an entire
paragraph.

You mentioned READ TILL END, or some such command, but I can't find that
in the menu options anywhere.

Thank you for your help.
Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Have you looked into applications for people with deslexia? (spelling)
Have you joined anything like e-mail lists, I presume there are such,
for dyslexics?

I don't know what it's like for a sighted person to use a web page with
NVDA.  they could learn to use the keyboard but that may be a lot of
unnecessary work.

there are lots of sighted people, such as Dyslexics who use programs not
developed for blind people and if you haven't inquired about those, you
may very well be going down a much more difficult track than necessary.
I don't know what you have done but here is a sample of what I'm talking
about.

Here is an article discussing some of these programs.
http://dyslexiahelp.umich.edu/tools/software-assistive-technology/text-to-speech-readers

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Fantasy Sports
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I think it would be a good idea for me to watch some tutorial videos on
youtube
before I ask more questions.

It might simply be that I don't understand how to navigate a web page
with
this program.  I'm using Chrome browser.

However, my concern about the voices is valid.

The link to buy new voices on your NV Access website seems to be a
broken
link.

Also, someone mentioned on youtube that it costs $100 to buy these
voices,
is there a way to only buy one voice for less?

Thank you for the help.
Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Paul,

          Presuming you install the program, so that your settings
changes are saved, many of the things you ask about can be done.

          It would be really helpful to know what version of Windows
you're running under and what programs you're trying to use NVDA with
in order to be more specific in guidance.


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 02:26 pm, Fantasy Sports wrote:

1. I've noticed it speaks very fast, too fast for me to understand
what
it is saying. Is there a way to change how fast it speaks, or will
this automatically change when you buy a new voice for it.
             If you happen to be running under Windows 10, and your
purpose for using NVDA is primarily to have things read to you so that
you can listen rather than trying to read them yourself, I would
strongly suggest that you change your synthesizer to Microsoft Speech
API-5 and your Voice to one of the two that are built into Windows 10
for SAPI-5, David for male voice and Zira for female.  I am presuming
you know how to right click on the NVDA icon in the system tray to
cause the NVDA menu to come up.  Both of the above settings fall under
the Preferences menu.  Synthesizer is under synthesizer and voice is
under voice.  The first slider in the Voice dialog is rate.  You can
use this to increase or decrease the speech rate, and this is true
whatever synthesizer and voice combination you happen to be using.



2. It appears to read just one single line at a time, based on where
the
mouse is. Is there a way to make it read entire paragraphs at a time,
or to hi-lite paragraphs for it to read? Or to make it read everything
below a certain point on the screen, for multiple paragraphs?
So far in my playing with this the answer depends on the program, but
someone who uses NVDA as their primary access method may be able to
answer the following question for me, which will help me help you if
there is a way:   How does one route the system caret to the mouse
position when you're in a web browser?

When I'm in Microsoft Word, for example, I can easily achieve your goal
of getting focus to where the mouse is and to continue reading from
there.  After I've heard NVDA give the voice output for the line over
which it is hovering I can simply click the mouse and the system carat
is there (or close to it if I bumped it slightly).  I can get NVDA to
Say All from that point by hitting INS+Down Arrow since I'm using the
desktop keyboard layout.  It will do exactly what one would expect,
keep reading from that point.   However, when I'm in a web browser (and
it doesn't matter which one)  the behavior is quite different.  If I'm
reading this group on Groups.io, for instance, as I run the mouse down
the page it will read the line over which I'm hovering, but when I
click it does not move the system caret to that point like it does in
Word.  I've also tried the "navigate to the object under the mouse"
command, which causes the same text I just heard during hover over to
be repeated, but the system carat doesn't move and neither, it seems,
does what NVDA has focus on because I generally seem to still have
focus on a link at the top of the page that's outside the area that I'm
hovering over entirely.  I just cannot seem to figure out how to force
the system caret to the mouse location via NVDA and the usual sighted
way of clicking where my mouse pointer indicates I am isn't doing it
either.



3. It doesn't seem to work very well for Chrome browsers, it has
trouble
reading just about everything that is in the Chrome browser actually.
Is
there a way to fix this?
                   It's not just for Chrome but the problem is more
related to mouse-based use than keyboard based use.  One thing you
might want to try is hitting INS+F7, and when the NVDA elements dialog
comes up select the Headings radio button to see the various headings
in the webpage.  You can then jump to various spots on the page quite
easily and have NVDA start reading from there.  This only works, of
course, on pages that are coded with headings but that's an awful lot
of pages.

                   I'm still trying to figure out a fast and efficient
method to read the online archive for any Groups.io group with a screen
reader.  It's taking longer than I had expected!

                   There are definite differences in the way someone
who's sighted would use screen readers than their target audience does.

--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in
the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting
moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill

--
nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so.

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