Re: a more r less finished draft of my transition guide from Window-eyes

Tony Ballou

Hi David,

The reason why you'll want to unload narrator after NVDA starts talking
is to avoid the double speak that occurs between the 2 synthesizers.
That tends to be quite a royal pain.


On 5/25/2017 7:26 PM, David Mehler wrote:
Hello Gene,

I just read your tutorial draft. I have a thanks, a question, and a comment.

The thanks, thanks for the information on the switching synth method and sapi5.

The question, you mentioned that your using desktop mode. Can you
extend the tutorial to include the laptop keystrokes for those
transitioning from a laptop.

And the comment, during the install you load narrator then a little
later unload it. Why is this?


On 5/25/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

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From: Tony Ballou
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a more r less finished draft of my transition guide from

Hey Gene,

This is really working brother I like it!


On 5/25/2017 5:52 PM, Gene wrote:

Here is my mostly finished draft of a transition guide for users of
Window-eyes. Comments and suggestions are welcome. I'll send it to the
list in its final form for distribution by whomever wants to do so.

the brief tutorial begins below my signature.

Moving from Window-eyes to NVDA
A very short tutorial telling you just what you need to know to do a lot
of what

you did before.

Many people are apprehensive about switching to NVDA or any other

from Window-eyes. This tutorial will explain and demonstrate that such

apprehensions are largely based on misunderstandings.

Before I discuss the misunderstanding that causes most of this
apprehension, I'll

briefly discuss installing NVDA and changing the synthesizer used and


NVDA has a talking installer. run the file as you would any installation

you may get a dialog asking if you want to run the file. Use the command
alt r

for run. If you get a UAC prompt, answer alt y.
Run narrator. Then run the NVDA installer.
when you run the installer, there will be a pause and then a bit of music

play. Not long after, the talking installer will run. Unload Narrator at

point. return to the install dialog.
Tab through the dchoices. Accept the license agreement and then tab to

You will get other options but install is the one you want.
Don't stop using NvDA because of the voice. A lot of people don't try
NVDA because

of the voice. As soon as you get it set up, I'll tell you how to change

synthesizer used.

After NVDA is installed and running, it's time to learn how to change the

Issue the command control insert s. Use either insert. From now on,
assume you

can use either insert unless I state differently.
A synthesizer selection dialog will open.
You will see a list of different possibly available synthesizers. Choose

I know everyone has at least one SAPI 5 voice on their machine. Up and
down arrow

through the list and stop on SAPI five. Press enter.
You will now hear another voice. It may be the same voice you hear in
Now issue the command control insert v.
You are now in the voice selection and adjustment dialog.
Up and down arrow to see what voices are available. Stop on the one you
Now tab through the dialog and change settings for the voice.
Once you find a voice you want and tab through and set whatever you want
such as

speed and punctuation, press the ok button.

Now, let's continue with what I spoke of at the start of this tutorial.

misunderstanding that makes the switch seem daunting is that the user

realize that most of the commands he/she uses are Windows commands and

commands and they won't change.

Consider the following examples:
Opening menus was and still is alt. That's a Windows command to open
menus in

programs. It's the same no matter which screen-reader you use.
Control o for open doesn't change. Using the arrow keys to move in a

doesn't change. Tabbing through dialogs doesn't change. Neither does how
you move

in a list or a treeview or work with a combo box, and the list goes on.
Screen-reader commands, many of which may change, such as read title bar,

access to information you can't get or can't get conveniently by using
Windows or

program commands. for example, read title bar. In Window-eyes, the
command is

control shift t. In NVDA, it's insert t. I am assuming throughout this

that you are using the default desktop layout in NVDA. All commands are
given in

that layout. The title bar is something a sighted person looks at. You
can't move

to it with the pc cursor or application cursor, whatever you wish to call

because there is no need. A sighted person can just see it. So the

has a command, read title bar. That command is not a Windows nor a


Here are the screen-reader commands you will need to know to allow you to
do a lot

of what you did before.
Read title bar, insert t.
Time, insert f12.
Read current Window, insert b. In Window-eyes the command is control
shift w.
Read to end, insert down arrow. Use the down arrow on the main keyboard.
Stop speech with control, as with screen-readers in general.
Commands such as control home, control end, control left and right arrow

Windows movement commands for moving in any standard edit field including

processor edit fields. None of them will change.
More screen-reader commands:
Screen review commands:
Note the pattern as I give these commands:
Read previous line, numpad 7.
Read current line, numpad 8.
Read next line numpad nine.
You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you issue

commands. You can keep moving and reading until you get to the top or
bottom of

the screen.
Read previous word, numpad 4.
Read current word, numpad 5.
Read next word, numpad 6.
Read previous character, numpad 1.
Read current character, numpad 2.
Read next character, numpad 3.
Note the pattern. Read current is the key in the middle of each of these
Move to and read previous is the key on the left.
Move to and read next is the key to the right.
The lower the numbers the smaller the movement unit. 1 2 and 3 move by

4 5 and 6 move by word. Etc.
Here are two more important commands:
Jump to top of window, shift numpad 7.
Jump to bottom of window is shift numpad 9.

I've said top and bottom of Window but that's oversimplified. It depends
what kind

of review mode you are using. I won't go into that to any extent in this

short tutorial.
that is the one you should be in usually. Unless you change it, you will

there. If you use another review mode, afterword, make sure you return to

reviewIf you don't, you won't hear what you expect to hear at various
To make sure you are in object review, issue the command numpad insert
nummpad 1.

When you are already in object review and can't move to another review
mode, you

will hear no previous review mode. You will then know you are in the
right one.

Or if you are returning from another review mode, when you hear object
review, you

will know you are back in the right one.
I won't describe its use here, but screen review is similar not in
commands, but in

how you review the screen to the Window-eyes cursor. Object review is

from any review mode available in Window-eyes. It is valuable to know for

uses. Depending on how you use your computer, you may find it valuable or
not. I'm

simply making you aware that it is different and that you may want to
learn it.

I'll provide a resource that teaches in great detail how to use NVDA.
This tutorial is to get you going using NVDA and to show you that even
with the

little I will teach, you can still do a good deal of what you used to do.
You may

then learn more as you wish.

Believe it or not, that is just about all I will teach in this very short

but I'll tell you a few more things.
Internet browsing:
When you are on a web page, quick navigation commands are almost identical

you are using NVDA or Window-eyes.
Move by headings is h. Skip blocks of links is n.
Move to next button is b,
Next combo box is c.
Next check box is x.
NVDA has an input help mode which is similar to what is in Window-eyes.
Insert and

1 on the main keyboard turns it on. When you press a key or combination
of keys

that might be a command, you will hear what the keys are and what, if any

they execute. This varies cdepending on where you are.
When in a browser that supports browse mode, typing a lot of individual

will give you information about what the keys do in browse mode. I
already gave

much of that information above but you may want to press a lot of keys
using input

mode in a browser.

To turn input mode off use the same command you used to turn it on, insert

to learn more about NVDA, a popular tutorial is available at (insert URL.)

On that page, you will see links to download different sections dealing

different subjects. You can also download the entire tutorial as a zip

There is also an e-mail list for NVDA users. To join, send a blank
message to this


I hope that this tutorial has removed much of your apprehension about
switching to

NVDA. Now, as you wish or need, you may consult the tutorial I gave a
link to.

NVDA is a powerful screen-reader and it will meet a lot of users needs as
well as

JAWS or Window-eyes does. I hope this very short tutorial gives you a

foundation on which to build confidence that the transition should be much

than you may have thought and that it will help make it much more

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