Re: W10 creators update


Some updates were posted since the publication of the article in question. I've been telling Windows 10 users for months that it is best to wait for this kind of notice to show up before upgrading, and for most cases, better to use Windows Update. In terms of potential issues you may run into when using NVDA, this NVDA forum, the Win10 Forum for Screen Reader Users and other forums will be the first to know.

-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] W10 creators update

Hello Brian and everyone,

I brought this subject up because I have just had a communication on my
W10 machine that this update is imminent and asks me to look at my settings for future use.
I am copying below a blogg concerning the creators update, it was issued in April, so things have obviously gone forward now, I haven't given the link to the blogg because it tried to install W10 on my W7 computer, luckily it failed, but I don't want anyone else to have that problem.

Here is the blogg, judge for your selves.

Don't install our buggy Windows 10 Creators Update, begs Microsoft We'll give it to you when it's ready – and it is not broken window reddit Twitter Facebook linkedin
26 Apr 2017 at 19:02, Iain
Microsoft has urged non-tech-savvy people – or anyone who just wants a stable computer – to not download and install this year's biggest revision to Windows by hand. And that's because it may well bork your machine.
It's been two weeks since Microsoft made its Creators Update available, and we were previously warned it will be a trickle-out rather than a massive rollout. Now, Redmond has urged users to stop manually fetching and installing the code, and instead wait for it to be automatically offered to your computer when it's ready.
The problem is that some systems – particularly older ones – may not be able to handle the Creators Update, Microsoft said. The US giant has been focusing on updating newer kit first, since it feels that hardware is less likely to run into difficulties, and has stopped automatically offering the latest Windows 10 upgrade to computers it suspects will suffer from breakdowns.
For example, the big update has already run into problems with some types of Broadcom Bluetooth LE radios: the code was killing connections with accessories, apparently. So Microsoft stopped pushing automatic downloads to computers carrying that hardware. However, the operating system can still be fetched manually if folks really want it.
In other words, if people fetch and install the software by hand, they will bypass Redmond's blockades, and potentially run aground on their hardware.
"We continue to recommend (unless you're an advanced user who is prepared to work through some issues) that you wait until the Windows 10 Creators Update is automatically offered to you," John Cable, director of program management for Windows servicing and delivery, said on Tuesday.
"When your device becomes eligible for the Creators Update rollout, you'll be prompted to make some important choices on your privacy settings before the Creators Update can install."
According to advertising stats counter AdDuplex, around 10 per cent of Windows machines are running the Creators Update. As you'd expect, Microsoft's own hardware is getting it first, with 30 per cent of Surface Books and a quarter of Surface Pro 4s having been updated.
That Microsoft is calling for a halt to manual updates so soon suggests there are still irritating bugs in the code to iron out. On the one hand, it's a relief Redmond isn't shoving out broken tech to everyone at once leading to a global meltdown. On the other hand, it is seriously weird that the biz has been hyping up an operating system release that today still isn't ready for the mainstream.
Only one in ten machines are running the new code, and the Office 365 giant has already told people to hit the brakes. This is despite the product undergoing months of internal and public testing.
It's another example of Microsoft trying to treat its core product, the bedrock of its business, as nothing more than shifting sands of ones and zeroes. This is a great pity because Windows 10, at its heart, has stronger cybersecurity defenses and other kernel-level improvements – it's just everything around it is constantly changing and so hard to pin down, it's a confusing mess half the time.
Microsoft's enterprise customers won't be getting the update for months, thankfully. Instead, it is consumers and small businesses who are being used as livestock to clear the minefield. Moo. ®

end of blogg

It does seem that we will have to change some security settings to instal this update, so I can presumably refuse to do this, fingers crossed.

Best Regards, Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] W10 creators update

It seems to me that windows and to some extent other software is going down a slippery slope toward rental. By this I mean that at present you get updates in the background, giving them the wherewithall to change your environment at will without asking. The S version of 10 is nearly all running on cloud based software and is the next step toward the connected world.
I just don't want any part of this. it introduces the single point of failure that I hate to have, it also makes what we can do controlled by somebody else and arguably lets them know exactly what we are doing as well.

I have stopped my windows 7 boxes from updating to 10. Don't get me wrong, there are good things in 10, but if they cannot allow simple system control by a user then I don't want it. I'm sure the pro version of 10 has some ways to stop these major updates, but seemingly, and increasingly if you do not have them, software by Microsoft and other vendors will just not work if you fall too far behind. This is what comes as a result of this make it up as you go along software development system, using real users as guinea pigs without consent.
Look at what just happens to windows Mobile Users recently, where a whole load of phones had to be re installed as an update stopped them working completely.


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----- Original Message -----
From: "The Gamages" <james.gamage@...>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2017 3:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] W10 creators update

I have been looking at the content of the new creators update for W 10,
seems, as always, there is little to make our lives easier as blind and
visually impaired. Three D pictures and gaming, plus “improved” edge
It would be better if theyconcentrated on things that have gone wrong so
far, one such is the innability of getting to the power button with the
keyboard, I don’t thinl this is only me as others have reported it on
freelists, it’s stil there and accessigble with the mouse, but the
no, I can close down with alt f4 of course, but that’s not the point.
After all that, do you think this is going to be yet another of those
updates which will install whether we like it or not? it seems likely
if we
have automatic updates set. I don’t want it at any price, it will do
nothing to make my life easier, indeed, it may even make it harder and
What is your opinion on the subject? I know Microsoft intend to ask if
want to do anything with our settings, but we should have the option of
refusing this update, it’s the thing that I don’t like about W10, it
to want to do things to our machines whether we want it or not, I state
an example that my Wife’s photos were put into completely different
without her permission when she got the anniversary update, I suppose
must have clicked to say she wanted it, but she can’t remember doing any
such thing.
O K rant over, comments please!!!


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