Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox


Gene
 

If you want to be a prisoner of a rigid and arbitrary ideology, that's up to you.  Sighted people don't need Braille, so the comparison is meaningless.  To be logical, you need Braille because you can't read print because your eyes don't work as they should, if they work at all.  That is as much an expense incurred by blindness as Rumolla is.  Also, to be consistent, you should never, ever, buy any app that does anything in a way tailored to a blind person's needs such as an app that provides travel information and directions in ways sighted people wouldn't use.  Perhaps you do this and perhaps you don't.  But as I said, your view is arbitrary and inconsistent.And many sighted people with vision that isn't as good as it should be have considerable difficulty filling out captchas or can't do it so many people other than blindpeople may use and pay for, this service.  It's up to you if you want to refuse to pay a few U.S. dollars for something that would benefit you.  In some magic dream kingdom, you might find the policies you advocate implemented.  Not in the real world. 
 
Also, I am in The united States.  There is a different Gene who signs his messages Gene from New Zealand. 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Mallard
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox

Gene,

Sorry dear, but I'm not ready to pay for something I should be entitled
to have for free, like anyone else.

I'm ready to pay thousnds of dollars for a good braille display, or even
for a good substitute of the Optacon, because those are devices that are
specific for us.
But I'm not ready to pay for something that sighted people have for
free, just because my eyes don't function as they should.

Ok, you are in New Zealand and I'm in Italy... We're at the antipode
georaphically, and it's quite normal that we should have opposite world
views... lol
Ciao,
Ollie - who will never pay for Rumola service




Il 04/04/2016 14:59, Gene ha scritto:
> How much does Rumola charge to solve one captcha?  Is it less than a
> penny?  And people are complaining about the company because it
> doesn't provide customer service?  You get what you pay for.
> Someone has just started a much much more expensive captcha solving
> service for blind people.  We'll see how many people are willing to
> pay these much higher prices.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Kwork <mailto:istherelife@...>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 7:46 AM
> *To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
> Performance degradation in current Firefox
>
> Diddo! And for their lack of customer service, I also hope the Rumola
> service starves to death. Completely with you on this one.
> Travis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mallard" <mallard@... <mailto:mallard@...>>
> To: <nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>>
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 3:57 AM
> Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
> degradation in current Firefox
>
>
> No, Rumola never!
> I tried it, and they "ate up" my free captchas without me even start the
> programme... As soon as I tried to solve a captcha in the trial, I was
> told that I had already used them all up.
> Which made me understand that they are not serious, so I abandoned the
> project immediately.
> As fara sI'm concerned, they can starve to the end of eternity!
> Ciao,
> Ollie
>
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>
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> Il 02/04/2016 22:24, David Moore ha scritto:
> > Hi,
> > You have to use Ramola captscha add on. You pay 95 cents to solve 150
> > captschas and so on. Have a great one.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Mallard
> > Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 8:02 AM
> > To: nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
> > Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
> > degradation in current Firefox
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > But what happens with Captcha solving in Chrome?
> >
> > Ciao,
> > Ollie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Il 02/04/2016 09:52, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been addressed,
> >> and that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it has ever been.
> >>
> >> On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
> >>> Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility
> >>> improvements went in!
> >>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...
> <mailto:nimerjaber1@...>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>     Hello,
> >>>
> >>>     Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these
> >>>     issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>     On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>     Hi Nimer
> >>>>
> >>>>     Just a few questions:
> >>>>
> >>>>     Can I establish if you  are using Chrome or Canary?
> >>>>
> >>>     Canary
> >>>>
> >>>>     What is ChromeVox?
> >>>>
> >>>     Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can
> >>>     enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.
> >>>
> >>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
> >>>>     load’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
> >>>>
> >>>     Unchecked.
> >>>
> >>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
> >>>>     changes’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
> >>>>
> >>>     Checked
> >>>
> >>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
> >>>>     movement’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
> >>>>
> >>>     Unchecked
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>     I have   Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
> >>>>     pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser
> >>>>
> >>>>     The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
> >>>>     and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with
> >>>>     eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings
> >>>>     page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings
> >>>> page.
> >>>>
> >>>>     The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple
> >>>>     of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.
> >>>>
> >>>>     Cheers
> >>>>
> >>>>     Chris
> >>>>
> >>>>     *From:*Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
> >>>>     *Sent:* 27 March 2016 22:37
> >>>>     *To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
> <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
> >>>>     *Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
> >>>>     Performance degradation in current Firefox
> >>>>
> >>>>     Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
> >>>>     wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
> >>>>     strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
> >>>>     items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are
> >>>>     read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen
> >>>>     reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a
> >>>>     new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads,
> >>>>     otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When
> >>>>     doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around
> >>>>     Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works
> >>>>     sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to
> >>>>     force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in
> >>>>     Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to
> >>>>     get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And
> >>>>     I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work
> >>>>     very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to
> >>>>     next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts
> >>>>     that Google outlines in their manual at
> >>>> https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't
> >>>>     work when navigating to hangouts.google.com
> >>>>     <http://hangouts.google.com>, and the article doesn't specify
> >>>>     where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually
> >>>>     many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
> >>>>     browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to
> >>>>     using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean
> >>>>     a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to
> >>>>     get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which
> >>>>     version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any
> >>>>     settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If
> >>>>     this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some
> >>>>     troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems
> >>>>     to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome
> >>>>     Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that
> >>>>     it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
> >>>>     default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any
> >>>>     effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm
> >>>>     not sure if that will help or not.
> >>>>
> >>>>     Thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>>     On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>         Hey.
> >>>>         I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i
> >>>> believe.
> >>>>         It is pretty good for the most part.
> >>>>         hth
> >>>>
> >>>>         Scott
> >>>>
> >>>>         On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>             My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
> >>>>             use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
> >>>>             something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe
> >>>>             flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up
> >>>>             to date and I have been having this problem since early
> >>>>             December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be
> >>>>             greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this
> >>>>             out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now
> >>>>             for nearly 9 and a half years.
> >>>>
> >>>>             *From:*mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>
> >>>>
> >>>>             *Sent:*Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM
> >>>>
> >>>>             *To:*nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
> >>>>
> >>>>             *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current
> >>>>             Firefox
> >>>>
> >>>>             I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.
> >>>>
> >>>>             El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
> >>>>             escribió:
> >>>>
> >>>>                 I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto
> >>>>                 google and search for about:config that can help
> >>>>                 improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.
> >>>>
> >>>>                 Kevin Chao 於27/3/201610:13 寫 道:
> >>>>
> >>>>                     One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
> >>>>                     experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
> >>>>                     with modern web apps.
> >>>>
> >>>>                     On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
> >>>>                     Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...
> <mailto:supanut2000@...>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>                         I noticed performance issues with Firefox as
> >>>>                         well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
> >>>>                         well, especially on Facebook where the
> >>>>                         browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
> >>>>                         poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
> >>>>                         any addons installed.
> >>>>
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