Re: Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...


Gene
 

Even calling this an explosion shows the harm that taking any virtue to an extreme causes.  Patience is often a virtue.  If it is taken to an extreme, it's a vice just as anything is when taken to an extreme. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

oh! when you said explode i thought it would sound much worced but.
its a nice directive

On 6/19/17, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
> Joseph, though I do understand where you are coming from and the frustration
>
> you feel, I do honestly have sympathy with the end user who just wants a
> reliable system.
> Microsoft have to shoulder a good deal of the blame for what their changes
> cause. I'm not suggesting in any way that they are deliberately  screwing
> things up here, just that they  really do not test stuff enough. For people
>
> who do not use special builds of windows, ie insiders, or nvda. I do not
> think it unreasonable to expect continuity and after a while people do get
> fed up with having the rug pulled from under them on a regular basis by
> software makers, be that Microsoft or anyone else.
>  So yes, in a development environment you would be justified in being
> annoyed, but when people are trying to run their lives day to day and keep
> encountering stones in the road and potholes not of their own making  it is,
>
> I think understandable if people get fed up and take the easy option.
>  I have I know said much of this before, but like most of us, I have had to
>
> try to help people in real life away from this place and been almost
> embarrassed when you eventually track down the issue to the actual changes
> in the software and nothing to do with the end user, except that he or she
> happens to be blind.
>
> I'll shut up now and  be quiet, bite my lip etc for a while. I nearly bought
>
> a new laptop last week but after reading about all the win 10 issues decided
>
> not to bother.
>  Brian
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 4:22 AM
> Subject: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason
>
> why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...
>
>
>> Dear NVDA community,
>>
>>
>>
>> Disclaimer: for new community members, I'm normally not like this, but I
>> do
>> sometimes right posts I believe folks should hear, as it impacts
>> community
>> experience and what not. So my sincere apologies for letting you witness
>> my
>> explosive side. Please bear with me for a second, as it is important that
>>
>> I
>> talk about the following regarding respecting engineers and announce a
>> directive for Windows 10 users:
>>
>>
>>
>> In the blindness community (at least for members of various mailing lists
>> that I'm a part of or lead), I became synonymous with someone who is
>> willing
>> to show patience until the end, especially when resolving tech support
>> problems. But there is a hidden side to that: for certain things, I become
>>
>> a
>> volcano, and those who've witnessed my lava flow knows what I mean.
>> Unfortunately, I believe it is time that I explode yet again (my
>> apologies
>> to our dear leaders for doing something like this):
>>
>>
>>
>> Answering questions: for many situations, when resolving issues, when I
>> and
>> other engineers ask you questions in hopes of getting to the meat of the
>> burger. Sometimes we may ask you to tell us steps to reproduce the given
>> problem, what a screen reader says, and what not. When developers ask you
>> questions, please do your best to answer them if possible.
>>
>>
>>
>> For Windows 10 users: there is an important reason why I wrote Windows 10
>> App Essentials: to prevent issues like the one Rosemarie and others have
>> experienced with Mail app. Hence the following directive:
>>
>>
>>
>> Until now, it was optional for you to use Windows 10 app Essentials
>> add-on
>> if you are using Windows 10. I'll make this an important requirement
>> starting from fall 2017. That is, starting from September 2017, when you
>> report issues like the one Rosemarie has experienced, I'll no longer ask
>> you
>> to install latest WinTenApps add-on: I'll assume that you have. For
>> Windows
>> Insiders, this is a critical (and mandatory) requirement.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not announcing this directive just because I feel like doing it, nor
>> to
>> increase popularity of my brainchild: Windows 10 App Essentials add-on
>> exists for important reasons:
>>
>>
>>
>> * Workarounds for issues encountered by NVDA users when using Windows
>> 10, including various UI Automation issues.
>> * Respond to changes in accessibility of various apps such as removing
>> workarounds put in place in past versions.
>> * Respond to app executable name changes (Microsoft has changed names
>> of at least three universal app executables).
>> * Provide essential features for Windows 10 users, including
>> suggestions announcement, emoji panel support (Fall Creators Update),
>> Edge
>> notification announcements and others.
>> * To prove to Microsoft and third-party universal app developers that
>> accessibility should be a core design criteria for apps, including
>> letting
>> screen reader users use apps to their full potential.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
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