Re: new key label I think

Steve Nutt

Hi Joseph,

Many thanks. I genuinely am not putting NVDA down over any other screen reader, I don't know any other way to say it. If NVDA ever gets to the point that it is better than JAWS, I'll be the happiest chap on earth, as JAWS is so memory hungry, and NVDA is so lean.

All the best


-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 23 June 2017 17:22
Subject: Re: [nvda] new key label I think

As a user of NVDA, JAWS, VoiceOver, Narrator, and to some extent, Orca and Speakup, I believe in constructive criticism of a feedback form in nature. From developers' point of view, it allows us to examine our strategy and evaluate our priorities.

-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new key label I think

Hi Anthony,

Fair enough. But should I then suggest commercial interest in every post? I could post something in a year, and you'd come back with the same thing.

OK, I sell all screen readers, and as many voice synths as I can, including NVDA addons.

My aim is to make constructive criticism of any screen reader, and indeed suggest improvements, such as the numbers issue.

I am certainly not a programmer, or if I were, I would write addons to get round some of these limitations.

I also train in all screen readers, including NVDA, so I really speak as I find.

Does this work for you?


All the best


-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: 23 June 2017 17:13
Subject: Re: [nvda] new key label I think

Hi Steve,

I still think it would have been polite, and standard practice, when posting to the NVDA list, to point out that you have a commercial interest in competing products.

It by no means suggests that your opinions aren't valid, or that you have no place commenting here - but it does at least enable people to be reassured that you have no sinister motives, and aren't quietly trying to do what Laz suggested.



On Friday 23 June 2017 at 18:03:01, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Laz,

Actually I thank you. I really genuinely didn't know of this
technique. I am doing this from the point of view of a totally blind user.

All the best


-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf Of
Sent: 22 June 2017 19:01
Subject: Re: [nvda] new key label I think

Some of you may not be aware of the fact that Steve is a dealer for
several screen readers in the UK who may apparently be using a
promotional technique commonly referred to as "card stacking," which
is used to knock down a competitor's product by pointing out any real
or imagined shortcomings in order to make your own seem better to the
consumer. While the uninformed may be fooled by this technique the
informed consumer who takes time to check into the product himself
without the added bias and rumor will simply make up their own mind
after looking at all the available information.

He is also doing this to NVDA on at least one UK list where people are
seriously considering moving from Window-Eyes to NVDA instead of JAWS.
Since he joined this list I can only imagine that his bottom line is
the reason.

One good thing about this "card stacking" technique is that it opens
up the door to actual improvement that could be made in NVDA so I say,
please continue Steve.

On 6/22/17, Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@...> wrote:

While this is your choice, I must highlight that the average user
really doesn't really see these issues as standard. You, on the
other hand, might see them as essential, perhaps because you are
coming from a different screen reader. Undoubtedly, these features
will be good. I can say that the digits issue is being tested at the
moment in snapshots, but I assume will only give you the opportunity
to choose between digits and the current default, which is
controlled by synthesizer.


On 6/22/17, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

Agreed. It will never be my primary screen reader, until more
configuration is added.

The inability to switch off blank lines when cursoring, no key
labelling, the inability to switch numbers to digits or handled by
synth, I could go on with this one. But no, it is simply not
configurable enough by the average user yet.

All the best


From: [] On Behalf Of
Dennis L
Sent: 21 June 2017 19:49
Subject: Re: [nvda] new key label I think

I agree I’m also surprised in outlook2010 when you are arrowing
throw folders it doesn’t say NVDA 9 unread again a feature other
screen readers have. I also am surprised you can’t label buttons
in a program or on websites. NVDA is missing some very obvious
things in my opinion. If they added these things it would probably
be my primary screen reader.

From: [] On Behalf Of
Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new key label I think


Surprising that something as basic as key labelling is missing
though in NVDA. All the other screen readers have it.

All the best


From: [] On Behalf Of
Sent: 16 June 2017 17:46
Subject: Re: [nvda] new key label I think

NVDA says copied to clipboard in browse mode because Microsoft
makes that feature available. NVDA has done this for a long time.
I don't know if it did in the early days but this has long been the


----- Original Message -----

From: Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...>

Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 9:16 AM

To: <>

Subject: [nvda] new key label I think

Running latest released version of NVDA on a win 10 64 bit machine.
Just noticed that while in a browser, IE or Chrome or Firefox, when
selecting text and copying it to the clip board with control c NVDA
now says copied to clipboard. I don't think it did this in the
past. still no announcement of pasted from clipboard or cut to
clipboard. Have I totally lost it or is this something new and if
it is new can we get more such key labels added as well?
Software development can be quick, high quality, or low cost.

The customer gets to pick any two out of three.

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