Hi Laz,

Actually I thank you. I really genuinely didn't know of this technique. I
am doing this from the point of view of a totally blind user.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laz
Sent: 22 June 2017 19:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new key label I think

Some of you may not be aware of the fact that Steve is a dealer for several
screen readers in the UK who may apparently be using a promotional technique
commonly referred to as "card stacking," which is used to knock down a
competitor's product by pointing out any real or imagined shortcomings in
order to make your own seem better to the consumer. While the uninformed may
be fooled by this technique the informed consumer who takes time to check
into the product himself without the added bias and rumor will simply make
up their own mind after looking at all the available information.

He is also doing this to NVDA on at least one UK list where people are
seriously considering moving from Window-Eyes to NVDA instead of JAWS.
Since he joined this list I can only imagine that his bottom line is the
reason.

One good thing about this "card stacking" technique is that it opens up the
door to actual improvement that could be made in NVDA so I say, please
continue Steve.

On 6/22/17, Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@...> wrote:

Hi.

While this is your choice, I must highlight that the average user
really doesn't really see these issues as standard. You, on the other
hand, might see them as essential, perhaps because you are coming from
a different screen reader. Undoubtedly, these features will be good. I
can say that the digits issue is being tested at the moment in
snapshots, but I assume will only give you the opportunity to choose
between digits and the current default, which is controlled by
synthesizer.

Cheers

On 6/22/17, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

Hi,



Agreed. It will never be my primary screen reader, until more
configuration is added.



The inability to switch off blank lines when cursoring, no key
labelling, the inability to switch numbers to digits or handled by
synth, I could go on with this one. But no, it is simply not
configurable enough by the average user yet.



All the best



Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Dennis
L
Sent: 21 June 2017 19:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new key label I think



I agree I’m also surprised in outlook2010 when you are arrowing throw
folders it doesn’t say NVDA 9 unread again a feature other screen
readers
have. I also am surprised you can’t label buttons in a program or on
websites. NVDA is missing some very obvious things in my opinion. If
they
added these things it would probably be my primary screen reader.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Steve
Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 10:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new key label I think



Hi,



Surprising that something as basic as key labelling is missing though in
NVDA. All the other screen readers have it.



All the best



Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 16 June 2017 17:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new key label I think



NVDA says copied to clipboard in browse mode because Microsoft makes
that
feature available. NVDA has done this for a long time. I don't know if
it
did in the early days but this has long been the behavior.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...>

Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 9:16 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: [nvda] new key label I think



Running latest released version of NVDA on a win 10 64 bit machine.
Just noticed that while in a browser, IE or Chrome or Firefox, when
selecting text and copying it to the clip board with control c NVDA now
says copied to clipboard. I don't think it did this in the past. still
no announcement of pasted from clipboard or cut to clipboard. Have I
totally lost it or is this something new and if it is new can we get
more such key labels added as well?
Thanks