Re: using physical mouse with nvda?
Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
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I agree it is pointless.
From: email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
As Gene noted, there is little reason for a totally blind user to use the mouse, both because without being able to see where you are moving, it is very hard to get it exactly where you need, and often it is easier to use the keyboard to jump to particular elements.
If there is a specific page you are having trouble accessing that you can post the URL for here, I can have a look and try and give some pointers.
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I'll give you my perspective as a blind user who hasn't used a physical mouse. Perhaps some people will disagree, I don't know. But my comments may help clarify matters or lead to more clarifying discussion.
I suspect that you are trying to use the mouse in ways that are not intended by NVDA designers. For example, in all the years I've been on this list, I've never heard of blind users using the scroll wheel. I've heard of people moving around the screen with a mouse to get the layout. If you want to use the mouse to get an idea of how a screen is laid out, that can evidently be done. but NVDA is intended for blind users primarily to be used from the keyboardwhen using browse mode. You are not interacting with a web page directly when you use browse mode. You are interacting with a reformatted version of the page in the MSAA or whatever it's called now, buffer. The whole point is to move as though there is a cursor using the keyboard. I've been told by a friend that sighted relatives and readers can't use the Internet while her screen-reader is active because the virtual PC cursor, the same thing as browse mode, makes usual ways of doing things, such as scrolling, however it is attempted with a mouse, not work. I've heard of numerous instances where blind people move around one screen, the current one, when using a browser and a mouse. But that's very different than scrolling. You could probably scroll if you turn off browse mode but what's the point? You can't read as intended with a screen-reader if you do that.
In other programs, such as Microsoft Word or programs that don't use browse mode, I would imagine you could scroll. But again, why? I've wondered now and then, if I've found a control I can't work with on an Internet page from the keyboard if I could do so by using a mouse to click on it. But that's completely different from scrolling and trying somehow to read with a mouse.
One question is what it makes sense to do with a physical mouse as a blind person and another question is technically, in browse mode, what can you do not just with NVDA but with any screen-reader that uses browse mode?
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On 7/19/2017 9:16 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote: