Re: using physical mouse with nvda?


Gene
 

What is the default for just pressing the power button in Windows.  It's been so long since I've checked that I don't remember.  If the default is to shut down, theen just using the power buitton would have shut down the computer and you could then have booted again.  Much faster and more efficient than using the mouse.  There may be the occasion when using a physical mouse is the only or best means of doing something, but seldom.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?

Ok that's a good use, well done!  I meant that it isn't usually the most efficient method of navigation.  Obviously in your case tonight, there weren't many other alternatives (short of having a spare keyboard lying around).

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 7:27 PM, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Just tonight, my keyboard quit working on my laptop. I was able to move the mouse pointer with NVDA and right click on the start button, and I could use my touch pad until I heard NVDA say power, and I left clicked on that, and I was able to restart my computer. I did all of that with moving the mouse when the keyboard would not work. When my computer came back on, my key board worked great! So, I think that is a pretty good example of how I was able to move the mouse pointer around to get the job done. I practice a lot moving my fingers around the touch pad, and I can move the mouse to places where no keyboard commands will move the mouse pointer. I do not agree that totally blind users cannot benefit by using the mouse feature in NVDA and Narrator.

David Moore

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From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:47 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?

 

As Gene noted, there is little reason for a totally blind user to use the mouse, both because without being able to see where you are moving, it is very hard to get it exactly where you need, and often it is easier to use the keyboard to jump to particular elements.

 

If there is a specific page you are having trouble accessing that you can post the URL for here, I can have a look and try and give some pointers.


We do have a few low vision users who might have enough sight to use the mouse to get to a particular page and point on a page, but then rely on NVDA to read the text.  NVDA can read the text under the mouse pointer.  Press NVDA+m to toggle mouse tracking on or off - when on, it will read the text under the mouse pointer as you move the mouse.


The review cursor and object navigation can often be used to get to parts of the screen that regular navigation may not work with, and there are NVDA commands to click the left or right mouse buttons, but usually these are used as workarounds when other navigation fails in a particular instance.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I'll give you my perspective as a blind user who hasn't used a physical mouse.  Perhaps some people will disagree, I don't know.  But my comments may help clarify matters or lead to more clarifying discussion. 

 

I suspect that you are trying to use the mouse in ways that are not intended by NVDA designers.  For example, in all the years I've been on this list, I've never heard of blind users using the scroll wheel.  I've heard of people moving around the screen with a mouse to get the layout.  If you want to use the mouse to get an idea of how a screen is laid out, that can evidently be done.  but NVDA is intended for blind users primarily to be used from the keyboardwhen using browse mode.  You are not interacting with a web page directly when you use browse mode.  You are interacting with a reformatted version of the page in the MSAA or whatever it's called now, buffer.  The whole point is to move as though there is a cursor using the keyboard.  I've been told by a friend that sighted relatives and readers can't use the Internet while her screen-reader is active because the virtual PC cursor, the same thing as browse mode, makes usual ways of doing things, such as scrolling, however it is attempted with a mouse, not work.  I've heard of numerous instances where blind people move around one screen, the current one, when using a browser and a mouse.  But that's very different than scrolling.  You could probably scroll if you turn off browse mode but what's the point?  You can't read as intended with a screen-reader if you do that. 

 

In other programs, such as Microsoft Word or programs that don't use browse mode, I would imagine you could scroll.  But again, why?  I've wondered now and then, if I've found a control I can't work with on an Internet page from the keyboard if I could do so by using a mouse to click on it.  But that's completely different from scrolling and trying somehow to read with a mouse.  

 

One question is what it makes sense to do with a physical mouse as a blind person and another question is technically, in browse mode, what can you do not just with NVDA but with any screen-reader that uses browse mode?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: The Wolf

Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:23 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?

 

ah
that would explain why iy wasn't talking to me when I was trying to scroll down a page.
can you suggest a rpogram that can let me scroll down using the mouse?
I am trying to get the hang of using a mouse its totally forin to me.
also I am totally blind
thanks
Hank

On 7/19/2017 9:16 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

I can use the mouse wheel to scroll in Internet Explorer, at least on Windows 10.

 

Do you mean have the mouse wheel move the focus for NVDA though?  It doesn't currently do that - what I can do is use the mouse wheel to smoothly scroll the page visually.

 

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:59 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

internet explorer

 

On 7/19/2017 8:40 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Interesting, which program are you referring to?

 

 

 

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:14 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

Hello

found this in a list of back logged emails

that I have saved.
when I do use the mouse to scroll down using the program with nvda not running then it scrolls when nvda is running it does not.
Hank

On 3/20/2017 3:54 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Hank,

 

Silly question, but does the mouse wheel scroll down in the program you are using if NVDA is not running?

 

I have enough sight to use the mouse as well, and I find sometimes, particularly on say the web, I will grab the mouse if I do want to scroll down and read something further down because I can use the scroll wheel for that.

 

Regards


Quentin.

 

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:30 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

Hello this may sound like a odd question but how do you make the weel on the mouse to scroll down? when I try to use the mouse with nvda the weel on the mouse doesn't do anything.

thanks

Hank






 

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