Re: Several windows 10 users have got..


In a way, giving users a chance to take a look at privacy settings before installation of feature updates is a form of accommodation by Microsoft. This came about after numerous complaints were raised regarding lack of transparency and privacy concerns about Windows 10 ecosystem.

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I just think then that Microsoft have misjudged the expertise of many users by using these privacy settings and other things that the user has probably left as default since they got their computer and hence are worried that whatever is about to happen might upset something and or make them have to access and change something they have no knowledge of.
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Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:02 AM
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The ultimate idea behind Windows as a Service (WaaS) is to get everyone on
the same page, same ecosystem, same principles, and same attitudes:

* Same page: same or similar compatibility (note that the words “same” and
“similar” are two completely different words).
* Same ecosystem: to reduce fragmentation.
* Same principles: updates, deployment and what not.
* Same attitudes: update checks, testing new things as soon as possible and
what not.

It’s been rough in the start, but as Windows 10 is turning two years old
next week, the transition is going well (not smooth, but people are starting
to realize implications of this new model). For instance, in the early days,
some programs (including one or two antivirus programs) didn’t work well
with Windows 10 and WaaS in general; that is changing slowly. When it comes
to screen readers, it produced mixed results.

Regarding privacy settings: I may need to write this to the Win10 forum
later (I cannot talk about this with authority here, as I want to tone down
a lot on this forum), but I think it’d be a good idea to review privacy
settings before and after new Windows 10 feature updates, as well as meet
changes introduced in Settings and other apps.

A bit tangent: regarding NVDA’s commitment to Windows 10 and older Windows
releases: as long as there is a need to provide accessibility workarounds
and until the day third-party (not Microsoft) UWP developers embrace
accessibility, I will work on Windows 10 App Essentials. I did put Microsoft
in parentheses as Redmond is actively evangelizing accessibility principles,
and I have advised them several times to persuade third-party devs to follow
their examples. Also, older versions of Windows will be supported as long as
possible, although as I said earlier, NVDA developers cannot support old
releases forever.



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Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..


I bow to your greater experience, but , if we are not capable of choossing
relevant updates, how can we be sure that our privacy settings are as they
should be.

What about anti virus? I have Eset smart security and have just written to
them for their comments, they do turn off some windows stuff and usually
give a message to say that Windows updates are available and should be
installed, I’m sure Eset are on top of all this and I will await their reply
with interest, if it’s relevant I will pass on anything they say.

Best Regards, Jim.

From: Brian Vogel <>

Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 5:09 PM

To: <>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 08:42 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

Yes but why is it asking this question. From memory all you usually get is
that a new version of it is available with extra features, do you want to
now or later etc.

Because people legitimately complained about prior major updates to Windows
10 resetting Privacy (or other) settings as part of the update without any
notification whatsoever. This update also contains several new settings
that were not there before, and Microsoft wants you to choose how you'd like
those settings to be set so that this can be applied at the end of the

I tell everyone that when any of the Version updates takes place to Windows
10 you should always take a few minutes afterward, and that's all it
requires, to cruise through every pane in the Privacy settings to ensure
that things are set as you'd like them to be. It also helps you to become
more familiar with what you can control and where you need to go to tweak it
as far as privacy goes.

And, as Gene has already noted, Windows 10 marked the introduction of
Windows as a Service. You cannot decline updates and if you use any method
to rig it such that you don't get them you won't be getting security updates
which are absolutely essential unless you're willing to keep reviewing the
update catalog and manually downloading and applying same. I'd rather not
have to do that and my own professional experience informs my opinion that
Microsoft, or any operating system creator and maintainer, knows a lot
better than I do about what needs to be updated with their operating
systems. Nobody has put it better than one of the BSOD experts on with regard to Windows Updates, regardless of the
version of Windows under discussion:

There really isn't a point to checking for updates and not installing them.
. . It's important to install all available updates. I've been doing this
since the days of DOS, and I still don't have the confidence to pick and
choose among updates. There are just too many variables involved - and most
people can't evaluate the full consequences of installing/not installing

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