Re: I am interested in programming for NVDA

Bhavya shah

Hi Sally, Gene and others,
Please add me to the list too. I have no experience with Python, but
limited experience with HTML and Robot C. I would be eager to be part
of such a group, whenever one is formed.

On 8/18/17, David Goldfield <> wrote:
I am also interested in joining a community of beginners to Python.

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On 8/17/2017 1:39 PM, Sally Kiebdaj wrote:

Alright then.

We will wait on a decision for the NVDA group and I will compile interested
people by next week.

Once those two things are done, we can look at materials for learning.

Some things have already been suggested on this thread and we can discuss
more once we have our own space that doesn't fill others inboxes.

Thanks again!

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Joseph Lee
<<>> wrote:
I have asked Gene if we can have a subgroup for beginning devs.

[<>] On Behalf Of Sally
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:31 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

Hello all,
sorry to respond only daily.
I have a nice mix of private and public messages now which I am happy to
organize into a headcount.
As I understand our purpose, we are people with little or no programming
background who want to learn programming through python. Some of us also
want to eventually work on NVDA--provided we learn python successfully.
We are looking for some experience people to help coach. Some of the
experienced people have a programming background but are learning python
along with us and others have both programming and python experience.
To sum up, we are mostly starting from an intro to computer science angle as
screen reader users who want to learn comp-sci through python and eventually
contribute to NVDA.
Once I had a list of interested parties, I was going to email all to do a
poll on how we want to communicate. google groups was going to be my default
but there are also forums or other shared workspaces that might be easier
for collaborative learning.
Although I do not have a programming background, I do have a coordinating
background and am happy to be the organizing engine unless others strongly
want to take this lead.
I defer to Joseph and others if an NVDA list is appropriate for the scope
described above and will compile a list of people who have expressed
interest by next week. I'll share that list with whomever is in charge by
then, if it is not me.
Thanks all for the enthusiasm! It's good to get this idea off the ground.

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:31 AM, Dennis L
<<>> wrote:
Is that we subscribe?

[<>] On Behalf Of Joseph
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:55 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

I propose “beginningdevs” as the name of the subgroup, with the complete
email address being<> with
subject tag of nvda-beginningdevs.

[<>] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

I see no reason that the list owner would object. Unless there is an
objection, I shall set up a new subgroup later today. I haven't done this
before and if I have any problems, I'll ask about them here but I don't
expect to have problems or not any problems I can't figure out. What,
Michael Lee, is your suggestion for a name for the subgroup? I'm asking
because I'm not sure just what its purpose is, to teach Python or to teach
python in a context of NVDA development.

----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----
From: John J. Boyer<>
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

I think a separate list is most apropriate. The developoment list shouldn't
be encumbered with questions from newbies
in programming. That said, I am willing to act as a mentor for a separate


On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 09:02:59PM -0700, Hector Elias wrote:
Hi Joseph:

Is that an appropriate mailing list to conduct a discussion of learning
Python? Or should we create a separate list?


On Aug 16, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Joseph Lee
<<>> wrote:

The most appropriate list to join is nvda-devel (hosted at SourceForge).
I'm not qualified to create a subgroup on this forum.

-----Original Message-----
[] On Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

I would be up to joining this list as well. Alsways up for learning
something new.

On 8/16/17, nasrin khaksar
<<>> wrote:
i wish that learn python too.
here the email address of sally that you and james wanted.
Sally Kiebdaj<<>>

On 8/17/17, Hector Elias
<<>> wrote:
Correction I was able to find the e-mail, and I have e-mailed Sally

On Aug 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Hector Elias
<<>> wrote:


I would be interested in joining this group. I have some Python
experience, and will be taking a course at my community college in a
few weeks. Syntax errors are usually caused because there is an
error when using the code. I have seen those courses and I found
that sometimes they would not describe the syntax correctly; which
lead to miss typing the code. Python is case sensitive, or you might
have missed a certain punctuation mark.

Sally, your e-mail doesn't show up on this thread. I only see the
mailing list address. Could you send us your e-mail?


hector Elias
On Aug 16, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Sally Kiebdaj

Hello all,

Thank you for the copious advice!

In the past, I tried MIT OpenCourseware and MITx 6.00 which are
both versions of their introduction to computer science course
taught in Python. I always ended up in the situation where
following the directions keystroke for keystroke generated a syntax
error and I had no one to ask for help. This is what I want to
avoid by having friends plugging away at it with me and experts on
hand for when we bog down.

If others are interested in finding a book/course and slogging
through it together, please reply to me privately and I am happy to
facilitate communication and coordination off list.

I would also be happy to work through any future NVDA specific
programming tutorials.

So, drop me a line if you would like to plod through this in a
group with me.

Hope to hear from some of you on this thread.



On 8/13/2017 4:21 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
You don't have to learn python the hard way. What you need is a
tutorial that assumes no probramming experience and no familiarity
with programming concepts. Manuals aren't it. They are for
programmers learning a new language. What is needed is a turorial
written by someone who has experience teaching programming from
the ground up.


On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 12:11:01PM -0700, J.G wrote:

as I have written, beginners to programing should take a
tutorials/manuals, which are simple and explain python in plain
language so it can be understandable for all of us. I suggest
you: (
there are books, which can help you self-teaching coding. these
are divided in cca 50 section - exercises. through them you can
begin to know how to programing.

warning: if you really want to code, you will have to train
yourself a lot.

hope this helps and that in this post I was clearer than in my
previous message.

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