Re: I am interested in programming for NVDA


Gene
 

People keep sending messages asking to be added.  This is unnecessary.  I believe the e-mail address to subscribe was sent to the list yesterday.  Two people have sent it again this morning when people asked about it or asked why they couldn't subscribe and had used an incorrect address.  Perhaps the moderator should send a message to this list giving the address again.  I really don't think the moderator should have to manually add fifteen or twenty members or more as time goes by when subscribing by e-mail is available and is as easy as pasting an address into the to field and sending a message. 
 
And will people in future if this sort of situation occurs again on this orother lists please consider that when a new list or subgroup is discussed, whoever is organizing it will send subscription information to the list where subscribing is being discussed once things are set up? 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

jMake sure I am added also. i'm an experienced programmer, and I'm interested in acting as a mentor.

John
 
On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 05:33:51PM +0000, Nimer Jaber wrote:
> Great, will give you mod status Joseph. Rebecca, I will make sure you are
> added.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:14 PM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I’ll take care of the subgroup.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Joseph
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Nimer
> > Jaber
> > *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 10:06 AM
> >
> >
> > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I will add anyone I see who has requested interest on this thread to the
> > list. I will manage that sublist for now, but I am looking for someone who
> > wishes to do it with me, or to take it over. If interested, let me know.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:03 AM Dang Manh Cuong <dangmanhcuong@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Is this discuss about making, or joining a group to learn programming base
> > on NVDA? If so, please add me, or so me the address to subscribe.
> >
> > ---------------
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> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > *From:* Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...>
> >
> > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
> >
> > *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 9:20 PM
> >
> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> >
> > Please add me too.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Adriani
> >
> >
> >
> > Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> >
> >
> > Am 18.08.2017 um 10:30 schrieb Ralf Kefferpuetz <
> > ralf.kefferpuetz@...>:
> >
> > Hi Sally,
> >
> > please add me as well,
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> >   Ralf
> >
> > *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
> > <nvda@nvda.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Sally Kiebdaj
> > *Sent:* Donnerstag, 17. August 2017 19:39
> > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Alright then.
> >
> > We will wait on a decision for the NVDA group and I will compile
> > interested people by next week.
> >
> > Once those two things are done, we can look at materials for learning.
> >
> > Some things have already been suggested on this thread and we can discuss
> > more once we have our own space that doesn't fill others inboxes.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > Sally
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have asked Gene if we can have a subgroup for beginning devs.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Joseph
> >
> > *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Sally
> > Kiebdaj
> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:31 AM
> >
> >
> > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > sorry to respond only daily.
> >
> > I have a nice mix of private and public messages now which I am happy to
> > organize into a headcount.
> >
> > As I understand our purpose, we are people with little or no programming
> > background who want to learn programming through python. Some of us also
> > want to eventually work on NVDA--provided we learn python successfully.
> >
> > We are looking for some experience people to help coach. Some of the
> > experienced people have a programming background but are learning python
> > along with us and others have both programming and python experience.
> >
> > To sum up, we are mostly starting from an intro to computer science angle
> > as screen reader users who want to learn comp-sci through python and
> > eventually contribute to NVDA.
> >
> > Once I had a list of interested parties, I was going to email all to do a
> > poll on how we want to communicate. google groups was going to be my
> > default but there are also forums or other shared workspaces that might be
> > easier for collaborative learning.
> >
> > Although I do not have a programming background, I do have a coordinating
> > background and am happy to be the organizing engine unless others strongly
> > want to take this lead.
> >
> > I defer to Joseph and others if an NVDA list is appropriate for the scope
> > described above and will compile a list of people who have expressed
> > interest by next week. I'll share that list with whomever is in charge by
> > then, if it is not me.
> >
> > Thanks all for the enthusiasm! It's good to get this idea off the ground.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Sally
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:31 AM, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:
> >
> > Is that we subscribe?
> >
> > *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Joseph
> > Lee
> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:55 AM
> >
> >
> > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I propose “beginningdevs” as the name of the subgroup, with the complete
> > email address being nvda+beginningdevs@groups.io with subject tag of
> > nvda-beginningdevs.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Joseph
> >
> > *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *
> > Gene
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 16, 2017 11:53 PM
> > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA
> >
> > I see no reason that the list owner would object.  Unless there is an
> > objection, I shall set up a new subgroup later today.  I haven't done this
> > before and if I have any problems, I'll ask about them here but I don't
> > expect to have problems or not any problems I can't figure out.  What,
> > Michael Lee, is your suggestion for a name for the subgroup?  I'm asking
> > because I'm not sure just what its purpose is, to teach Python or to teach
> > python in a context of NVDA development.
> >
> > Gene
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > Gene
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > *From:* John J. Boyer <john.boyer@...>
> >
> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2017 1:39 AM
> >
> > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
> >
> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA
> >
> > I think a separate list is most apropriate. The developoment list
> > shouldn't be encumbered with questions from newbies
> > in programming. That said, I am willing to act as a mentor for a separate
> > list.
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 09:02:59PM -0700, Hector Elias wrote:
> > > Hi Joseph:
> > >
> > > Is that an appropriate mailing list to conduct a discussion of learning
> > Python? Or should we create a separate list?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Hector
> > > > On Aug 16, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > The most appropriate list to join is nvda-devel (hosted at
> > SourceForge). I'm not qualified to create a subgroup on this forum.
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Joseph
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
> > <nvda@nvda.groups.io>] On Behalf Of Lenron
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 8:55 PM
> > > > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> > > > Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA
> > > >
> > > > I would be up to joining this list as well. Alsways up for learning
> > something new.
> > > >
> > > > On 8/16/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
> > > >> hi.
> > > >> i wish that learn python too.
> > > >> here the email address of sally that you and james wanted.
> > > >> Sally Kiebdaj<fiddle.pup@...>
> > > >>
> > > >> On 8/17/17, Hector Elias <hmelias09@...> wrote:
> > > >>> Correction I was able to find the e-mail, and I have e-mailed Sally
> > > >>> directly.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Hector
> > > >>>> On Aug 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Hector Elias <hmelias09@...>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Hello:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I would be interested in joining this group. I have some Python
> > > >>>> experience, and will be taking a course at my community college in
> > a
> > > >>>> few weeks. Syntax errors are usually caused because there is an
> > > >>>> error when using the code. I have seen those courses and I found
> > > >>>> that sometimes they would not describe the syntax correctly; which
> > > >>>> lead to miss typing the code. Python is case sensitive, or you
> > might
> > > >>>> have missed a certain punctuation mark.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Sally, your e-mail doesn't show up on this thread. I only see the
> > > >>>> mailing list address. Could you send us your e-mail?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> hector Elias
> > > >>>>> On Aug 16, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@...>
> > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Hello all,
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Thank you for the copious advice!
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> In the past, I tried MIT OpenCourseware and MITx 6.00 which are
> > > >>>>> both versions of their introduction to computer science course
> > > >>>>> taught in Python. I always ended up in the situation where
> > > >>>>> following the directions keystroke for keystroke generated a
> > syntax
> > > >>>>> error and I had no one to ask for help. This is what I want to
> > > >>>>> avoid by having friends plugging away at it with me and experts on
> > > >>>>> hand for when we bog down.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> If others are interested in finding a book/course and slogging
> > > >>>>> through it together, please reply to me privately and I am happy
> > to
> > > >>>>> facilitate communication and coordination off list.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I would also be happy to work through any future NVDA specific
> > > >>>>> programming tutorials.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> So, drop me a line if you would like to plod through this in a
> > > >>>>> group with me.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Hope to hear from some of you on this thread.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Regards,
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Sally
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On 8/13/2017 4:21 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
> > > >>>>>> You don't have to learn python the hard way. What you need is a
> > > >>>>>> tutorial that assumes no probramming experience and no
> > familiarity
> > > >>>>>> with programming concepts. Manuals aren't it. They are for
> > > >>>>>> programmers learning a new language. What is needed is a turorial
> > > >>>>>> written by someone who has experience teaching programming from
> > > >>>>>> the ground up.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> John
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 12:11:01PM -0700, J.G wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> Hi,
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> as I have written, beginners to programing should take a
> > > >>>>>>> tutorials/manuals, which are simple and explain python in plain
> > > >>>>>>> language so it can be understandable for all of us. I suggest
> > you:
> > > >>>>>>> https://learnpythonthehardway.org/ (
> > > >>>>>>> https://learnpythonthehardway.org/
> > > >>>>>>> )
> > > >>>>>>> there are books, which can help you self-teaching coding. these
> > > >>>>>>> are divided in cca 50 section - exercises. through them you can
> > > >>>>>>> begin to know how to programing.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> warning: if you really want to code, you will have to train
> > > >>>>>>> yourself a lot.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> hope this helps and that in this post I was clearer than in my
> > > >>>>>>> previous message.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> regards, Jožef
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
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> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
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> >
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