Re: Doing Google Searches

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>

Can someone google for me how to Google? Oh, wait.
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 1:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Doing Google Searches

I'm not concerned with the question mainly from the standpoint of the list.  Whenever the question comes up, it is debated, no minds are changed, and the debate fades away.  But what about how blind people use the Internet in general?  Based on what I see in the way blind people ask questions on vvarious lists, my conclusion is that the majority of blind people don't use the Internet to look up information much, not necessarily list questions, but information in a wide variety of cases.  Sighted people look up so much so constantly now that there are articles commenting on how Googling everything ruins conversations and stops the fun of debating contested information.  Aside from that, by not using Google well, blind people don't get access to a lot of information that they could get and that sighted people would Google without a moment's thought.  For most of my life, access to information was one of the most limiting aspects of blindness.  There was no practical way to have a dictionary, I mean a really good dictionary nor was there any practical way of having an encyclopedia nor all sorts of reference books.  Now, I have equal access to an enormous amount of information.  Blind people, now that such an enormous amount of information is available, are handicapping themselves.  If a blind person knows little or nothing about using the Internet, that's one thing.  But I see a lot of people whom I believe have reasonable if not better Internet skills ask all sorts of questions they could look up.  I'm not talking mostly about technical information.  I'm leaving the question of lists out out of my discussion.  But people ask all sorts of questions sighted people would look up such as, what is this book about, what is this movie about, what is this product, what is this food.  Of course, sighted people discuss such questions but they also look up an enormous amount of information, often too much or too much too quickly to enjoy a good discussion or debate.  But it appears to me that a lot of blind people look up far too little.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Doing Google Searches

Amen, Andy. I couldn't agree more. I almost left this list because I felt that a question wasn't being answered. If a person has tried searching for the answer on google or another search engine and can't find the answer, then he should be able to ask a question. After all, isn't that what this list is about--helping one another when we get stuck or have trouble finding an answer?




From: [] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Doing Google Searches


This issue comes up from time to time, mostly on blind related lists. Interestingly, when among sighted people who have a tech question from time to time, usually if one knows the answer, they just give it. why have these lists at all if one can't feel comfortable asking a question? Now, if the same person asks questions repeatedly, and asks the same question over and over again, it may be appropriate to refer him or her to a resource, or advise that they may want to seek training, but i think that telling someone to "Google it" when they occasionally ask a question is rather harsh.




----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 4:47 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Doing Google Searches


Most of us including myself are lazy. Ok, I'll google for something but if I just can't find the answer or the pages are 10 years old (this did happen to me a few times) I will ask on a list and point to the steps I took to troubleshoot the issue, and the steps I tool to try and figure out on my own how to do what ever it is I'm trying to do with nvda, narrator, voiceover, talkback etc.


Take care

On Aug 18, 2017, at 12:28 PM, Andre Fisher <fishersmails123@...> wrote:



A quick query. Lately, I have realized that most persons subscribed to this list, rather than going to Google or a search engine of their choice, seek to ask questions here prior to doing this type of research. I’d seriously like to know why, as I find this practice to be counterproductive. Why do I say this? Because sometimes, the responses that are given are incorrect. Why don’t persons read the NVDA User Guide, for example. It is well detailed. Could persons explain this to me?


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