Re: Doing Google Searches


Such generalizations are meaningless.  there is information that lists can provide more efficiently than googling something.  An example is a command people ask about in Microsoft Word that they accidently activate that causes Word to show, and the screen-reader to read all sorts of unwanted material such as to announce every paragraph marker.  It was difficult and time consuming for me to find the command through a search.  There are other things, such as when someone may use a term or ask what a program is or something else of interest that is information and not blindness specific, that may be easily found by searching for it.  Note carefully that I'm not saying people shouldn't ask.  I'm simply pointing out that what is being searched for has a good deal to do with how quickly and easily information can be found compared to asking on a list. 
If someone said, for example, I really like my blue tooth headphones and I didn't know what blue tooth is, I could get a good overview by doing a search for blue tooth wikipedia and then reading the introductory paragraph before the main article starts.  Wikipedia has such introductory paragraphs for all articles as a matter of policy, as far as I know.  Again, I'm not saying people shouldn't  ask what blue tooth is on the list.  I'm discussing what can easily be found and what may not be.  And this goes back to my message yesterday about how a lot of blind people are not taking good advantage of the enormous amount of information online, the first time in history that we have access to anywhere near the amount of information sighted people do.
People are so sensative about this issue that I seldom tell people to google something because so many people are offended.  But if you look at it logically, someone politely asking someone to Google something could be seen as a way to increase peoples' computer skills or encourage them to develop more confidence in their abilities by encouraging them to try things.  And it may encourage discussion that will help people be more confident and skilled computer users.
For example, in your post, you talk about how long you have to spend down arrowing to find something.  I don't know specifically enough what you are referring to.  I can say that there are ways to find information quickly on a web page.  If I want to find information, I might use the find command and search the page for a word I expect to be used in a relevant part of the page.  I might move by headings.  I might skim a bit of each paragraph.  There may be other ways I haven't thought of but discussing the question may give you ideas that will make looking for information far more efficient for you and it may make your Internet use in general more efficient and productive.

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From: brian
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Doing Google Searches

    I agree that just telling somone to just google that is very harch.  You can't always find what you are looking forand if you do you will have take a very long time down arrowing to find what you want.  The sighted can just look at their screens and see what they want but we can't.  People who tell somone on lists to just google it are the ones who are lazy they don't want to help and thats what email lists are for.  If you can't ask for help or ask a question with out getting critisized then why even have email list att and why are people even on list in the first place?   Maybe that person has lready has googled it but they could not find what they were looking for.  This even does happen to the sighted but because we are blind we are just not soposed to ask for help that seems to be a great sin in the blind community asking for help because we are soposed to be super independent.  Some people might need more training and we are all not at the same leavel of independence as others are and neither were they either.  It's often easier and faster to post a question and ask for help on an email list than it is to  just google it.  You will also get better results because the answers that you get come from other people who have found a sultion to your problem.  I am very greatful and very thankful for all of the help that I have received from people on lists and if I can help I will do so.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/18/2017 11:02 PM, Andy wrote:
This issue comes up from time to time, mostly on blind related lists. Interestingly, when among sighted people who have a tech question from time to time, usually if one knows the answer, they just give it. why have these lists at all if one can't feel comfortable asking a question? Now, if the same person asks questions repeatedly, and asks the same question over and over again, it may be appropriate to refer him or her to a resource, or advise that they may want to seek training, but i think that telling someone to "Google it" when they occasionally ask a question is rather harsh.
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Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Doing Google Searches

Most of us including myself are lazy. Ok, I'll google for something but if I just can't find the answer or the pages are 10 years old (this did happen to me a few times) I will ask on a list and point to the steps I took to troubleshoot the issue, and the steps I tool to try and figure out on my own how to do what ever it is I'm trying to do with nvda, narrator, voiceover, talkback etc.

Take care
On Aug 18, 2017, at 12:28 PM, Andre Fisher <fishersmails123@...> wrote:

A quick query. Lately, I have realized that most persons subscribed to this list, rather than going to Google or a search engine of their choice, seek to ask questions here prior to doing this type of research. I’d seriously like to know why, as I find this practice to be counterproductive. Why do I say this? Because sometimes, the responses that are given are incorrect. Why don’t persons read the NVDA User Guide, for example. It is well detailed. Could persons explain this to me?

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