Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized voice pack cost


Well I really do wander if they find it easier to bottem post.

Its not blind vs sighted as such its probably the way they like their screens.

For example I have family which really like their threaded messages threaded.

They like to see the old messages first so they know what they have sent and they can't remember what they typed previously.

For us, I guess that would work, except we can't scroll to the start of the new content as such like this because our software just won't do it in a easy way.

For the sighted its a quick mouse wheel flip my family do it all the time, they do it without thinking just like breathing.

For us, we rely on our keyboards and screen readers, and to be honest I never look at what is below if I don't need to which could be a disadvantage.

We also have to get used to the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signs the lower and lower down we get down the message tree.

So for us top posting is the most accessible.

However we probably do lose some info over what was before.

I can't say I have responded to a message without reading below first.

I never do so I loose things.

For me I respond to something if I know what it is or if its 1-2 days old maybe but I could be out of thread by the time I respond to a huge email list.

A lot of techs I know thread and folder cluster their mail.

A few friends don't do this, for myself coming from dos, I read and delete all my mail.

If its important I save it in a text file with the message in it and whatever.

If the email database corrupts or the system crashes or something I reformat and move on.

My data is mostly backed up, it includes text of important files and the like.

I realise I will get bit in the ass one day but I barely have to deal with important stuf and now with dropbox it means I can continue as I am till the world ends.

On the other hand, rarely have I needed the net during a system outage that is critical.

Or at a  critical point.

But I guess I am lucky.

Being a freelance tester means I just don't get the work I usually get and that means I have time to waste if I so choose which wouldn't be if I had to bother with critical data all the time.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@...>
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Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized voice pack cost

Nah, I think it's more related to vi vs. sighted. On all vi lists, top posting is the thing, on most sighted lists, bottom posting is it. I've seen folks yelled at multiple times for not bottom posting on several sighted lists. But on at least one list I'm on, (thankfully, one I don't post on very often), folks get all bent out of shape if you top post. It's bottom post, or not at all in their opinion. A complete waste of time in my opinion, but nobody asked me.


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I think the problem is, in them older days most lists and Usenet groups wanted you to bottom post, but that was when people sat down and edited the quilted threads. There was an RFC about it, but nowadays, things have gone the other way since most people are low on time.


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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized voice pack cost

Please don’t bottom post. Post at the top of the messages. If you bottom post, people won’t see your reply. They won’t wade through five or more messages to finally find yours and many people think you mistakenly sent a blank message.

If you need help in how to top post, ask here.

----- Original Message -----
From: Amber Gilmore
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized voice pack cost

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

Hi Amber,

Here you go:-

By the way, for every copy sold, 10 Euros which is about 8 UK pounds, or about 15 US dollars, gets donated to NVAccess. Which is why I'm proud to sell it.

All the best


-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf Of Amber Gilmore
Sent: 27 September 2017 14:50
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized voice pack cost

This is to Steve how much are you asking for your nvda and elouenqecincd elinquence i am in oklahoma he please get back to me, amber

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On Sep 25, 2017, at 4:33 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

Hi Jim,

Yes there is a legal add on from Code Factory that comes with both Eloquence and Vocalizer. Disclaimer: We do sell it. Please feel free to contact me privately if interested.

We also have SAPI 5 voices for both, again, both perfectly legal.


All the best

-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf Of
The Gamages
Sent: 20 September 2017 08:58
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
vocalized voice pack cost


Forgive me if I have misunderstood, but surely there cannot be a genuine NVDA add on for the voices which I wil not mention as they are a banned topic? Code factory Vocaliser may be legal, but not the other, I had to pay for my Vocaliser voices and they cost me about "£70 years ago, these are now available as a stand alone item and not tied to NVDA.
For those who just cannot afford extra voices, the Microsoft ones are quite good and are, of course, free with the Microsoft system.

As to the illegal subject, why anyone would want these outdated voices beats me.
Take care.

Best Regards, Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
vocalized voice pack cost

As the owner of the NVDA add-ons list, I'm considering enacting
address ban if I hear reports of the moderated person jumping over to
the add-ons list to vent frustrations.

-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf Of
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
vocalized voice pack cost

As I stated in an email a few weeks ago when this person started
posting on the list, he will continue posting nonsensical messages,
off topic messages, and violate list rules until he is removed. He
apparently doesn't pay much attentionn to messages in reply to his
questions and will continue repeating things over and over until
stopped. Moderation is the least of possible solutions to this situation.

Good luck Nimer and Gene!


On 9/19/17, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
<ochikodinaka@...> wrote:
when is the next update for NVDA

On 9/19/17, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
I will just reiterate that Gene has my full and unqualified support
in this matter and I will be keeping an eye for any future messages
from this individual.


On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:17 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

From the moderator:

I don't know why he is doing it and we have no basis to assume
I doubt it is intentional rudeness. I would say that people should
simply not comment on any post by Mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum
Oguledo unless he asks a new and useful question. Repetitive
questions, the same question four times in a month or even twice in
a month or six months, should simply be ignored.

It is not useful to have a debate on list about Chikodinaka
Nickarandidum Oguledo or his posts. If such unproductive debates
continue, I shall lock all threads where such debates begin.

If Mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo is too outrageous, I shall
moderate him. Moderation means that I shall see every post from
him and have to approve each post before it reaches the list. If I
do that, I shall simply not approve repetitive questions nor
questions that in any way, promote sites where illegal activity occurs. .

I'm explaining all this because Mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum
Oguledo sent a post yesterday in which he seemed to indicate that
he didn't know what being moderated means and because there may be
other list members who don't know.

I am not the list owner and if he wishes to deal with this matter
differently, that is what he will do as list owner. I've stated
what I will do unless the owner wishes something different to be

Also, on further consideration, I've changed my mind about how long
moderation will last. It will last at least two months and whether
it is lifted will depend on the kinds of posts Mr. Chikodinaka
Nickarandidum Oguledo sends for approval.



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It gives diffferent prides can you tell me whitch on is my prise, amber and i did a trial on another site with the same voices frommmm code factory will the link you sent me let me do it again cause when i started the trial befor my computer crashed and it was down so i missed it. Thanks, amber

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