locked Re: why does seem that so many blind people are so against change?
Gene
That is true in some cases but in many, that is a
real exaggeration and reflects users not understanding how to learn the
structure of a program or not understanding a new structure such as
ribbons.
Lots of times, if a web site changes, what is
desired can easily be found on the site by using the find command. For
example, from time to time, Send Space has changed the way you begin a file
download. There might have been a link that says download, for
example. That link was changed to a button but if someone is used to using
the links list, an artificial structure that separates them from the page and
doesn't know how to explore the page itself, they may well have considerable
difficulty and may need help to find out how to download again. This does
not need to be a crisis. All that need be done is to go to the top of the
page and use your screen-reader's find command to search the page for the word
download. You will immediately see that download is now a button and you
can then simply type the letter b when a Send Space download page opens to move
to it.
If a program changes its structure, such as
by adopting ribbons, if you know how to look through ribbons, you can look
through them and, if desired, make notes of the key combinations to perform
certain functions. This is similar to what you might do in a menu
program. Far too many blind people are taught to do things by rote and so
any change may be a crisis. In many cases, if taught properly, it can be
just an inconvenience.
I'm not saying there aren't real problems such as
when a program becomes inaccessible or much less so with a new release.
But I am saying that many problems could be reduced to inconveniences if blind
people were taught to conceptualize what they are doing and not to take certain
actions by rote without real understanding of how something is structured
and how to learn programs by trying different ways of learning about it such as
looking through menus or ribbons.
Some blind people will find such ways of
conceptualizing and learning difficult and some will find them easy and some in
between. But many people are never taught such things so easy, difficult
or in between for them, they never get to find out.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Katty Geltmeyer
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 2:47 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] why does seem that so many blind people are so
against change? For seeing persons, compare the situation of the blind with the following: you are used to go to your local supermarket, and nearly to find everything you need on the shelves by almost walking asleep (you know what to find where). At a certain day, everything is changed: the name of the store, the products inside, the position of the products on the shelves, the shelves themselves, the several departments (bakery, vegetables, …) everything you can think of is changed. Unfortunately you are forced to wander through the store without having an overview of the store, no scanning of the shelves with the eyes, … After a mornth, you are used to the new store and products and their place in the store, everything changes again and you can start all over again. Isn't this a nightmare? Well, that's what the blind are forced to do every time a website, a programme, … changes.
In fact, I should post this to the accessible googlegroup.
Best, Katty
Van: n8mnx@... [mailto:n8mnx@...]
I think that
maybe blind people are not against change for the sake of change but it's the
fear that their old favorite programs won't work and how accessable will the new
os be or how accessable will the new programs be. I to did like windows xp
with outlook express and when I was concitering upgrading to windows 7 I was
hesitent because I did not know what email program would work and be
accessable. I did of course upgrade and used windows live mail and when I
began to have issues with it I went to thunderbird and I now have windows 10 and
I still use thunderbird. I think that the reason that we all like outlook
express isthat it is just a simple email program with nobells and whistles like
calendars or features that we don't need or can't use. Outlook express
will always be the best email program but we have adapted to other programs but
that does not mean that we are happy with them we just adjust. We all
don't like change but we can and do adapt but we don't like it. With new
versions of windows there may be features that we don't need or want or we can't
use but we use what we want to use or what we can use. I know that every
one has their screen reader of choice and they think that theirs is the best I
use nvdathen there is the issue of winamp it's no longer supported but I still
have not been convinced that there is a better program so I will just keep using
it. We should upgrade if we need to but we chould not have change fordced
upon us this should be our choice. Think of the Omish people they don't
have cars they still use horse and buggies that is their choice and so is
somones choice if they still use windows xp if they are willing to take the risk
thats their choice and not ours. On 4/18/2016 9:48 PM, Pauline Smith wrote:
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