Re: Brian's comments about WinXP, and I've changed the subject line.

Heaven Botma <ehlbotma@...>

I prefer the folder layout in Windows 7 and above, because it lists
the documents with their details, so I can look at a document's
details simply by pressing the right arrow instead of having to go
through properties. The only thing I miss in the folders is the
option of using Alt-F W to create a new folder. This was lost by the
Wayside in Windows 8 and above, which was a useful feature. However,
I have found a way to work around this. Another thing is that the
menus differ in the File Explorer compaired to older versions, but
again, there are ways to work around this.


On 4/19/16, Robin Frost <robini71@...> wrote:
I’ve done just as Gene suggests below for many years and have used System
Restore with no ill effects.
Further I’ve even used Microsoft’s own folders and never interact with the
“library” feature under windows 10. I find, access and interact with files
just as I always have in prior incarnations of windows.
If things aren’t behaving or seeming to appear as they always have it could
be more an issue of how folder views are set than anything else which can be
completely defined by users specific to a given folder or general across
I hope that helps.

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brian's comments about WinXP, and I've changed the
subject line.

I'm not sure if or to what extent it is more difficult to organize files in
Windows 7. I haven't used later versions but I would think the same general
principle would apply. If you find problems regarding the library feature,
one way to avoid such problems is to organize files outside of this system.
Why not simply create your own folders? Instead of using the Microsoft
Documents folder, for example, why not create a documents folder on the c
drive. If you wanted, you could create a short cut on the desktop to the
folder, thus accessing the folder in the same way as you may have done the
Microsoft Folder.

It may be that you would have to be careful when using something like System
Restore that you wouldn't lose folders or certain files. I don't know what
the case is now, but in the old days, System Restore didn't monitor My
Documents or any folders in it. So I would not advocate creating your own
folder structure unless you back things up properly or don't use System
Restore in the first place. But if libraries do cause problems, there is a
simple way around that which requires you to know nothing about the library

----- Original Message -----

From: Laurie Mehta via
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brian's comments about WinXP, and I've changed the
subject line.

Hi Brian,
I realize that some people hate change and that's where the discussion ends
for them but there is at least one aspect of Windows XP that I preferred to
what came after...
That is the file organization, and how straightforward it was to organize
files in meaningful folders and access files saved in folders keeping a
library neat and manageable.
For me, the file organization and file accessibility in Win7 and later are
usable but not preferable. JMHO.
Thanks for all that you contribute here. It's appreciated.

On Mon, 4/18/16, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nvda] This is the moderator speaking: Question Regarding
Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory
Date: Monday, April 18, 2016, 6:27 PM

Rosemarie Chavarria
wrote, in regard to a friend of hers who insisted on staying
with WinXP, "I asked him
why and his answer was that it was simpler to work
with."And I can't count the times
I've heard this, about way more than Windows, and
thought, "No, it's not easier to work with -
it's what you're used to." Win XP was an OS I
loved and Microsoft has the annoying habit of alternating
"good" and "bad" versions of Windows.
The number of things that require manual intervention from
the user in XP is huge compared to later versions,
particularly Windows 7 forward. And, when it comes down to
it, even in the "ugly" versions of Windows the
similarities to their predecessors is at least as strong as
the differences, but the differences are where people are
required to learn something new.David Moore's comments
regarding those who live to be 100, or near it, really
resonate with me. My grandmother died in the 1990s and was
in her 90s at the time. When I think about what technology
was at her birth and the amount of change she and her age
cohort had to go through I am amazed. I don't know if
I could be as flexible as they were. While the pace of
change has picked up, particularly in the cyber world, the
majority of changes I've lived through (I'm just
short of 54 years old) feel to me much more like refinements
on very familiar themes rather than complete divergences
from what came before. That was not true for my
grandparents at all, and my parents experienced more
revolutionary changes than I have, too. I think my only
two revolutions were the introduction of the personal
computer and the ascendance of the

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