Heaven Botma <ehlbotma@...>


It has nothing to do with the Synthesiser. I have used both SAPI (the
version as default on Windows 10) and ESpeak. Both these synthesisers
give me the same problem. Isn't there a autocomplete option or
something that I need to uncheck somewhere?


On 4/19/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
What synthesizer are you using? This appears to be an issue of how your
synthesizer works and not NVDA.

----- Original Message -----

From: HBotma
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 2:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda]


Talking about pronounciations. NVDA has a way of reading words as
months. For instance, if I read a word that starts with the letters
JUN with a number preceeding or succeeding it, NVDA reads it as June.
This is rather annoying and I would actually like to know how to
change it.

If I can give you an example NVDA reads 2 Mark as 2 March k.

On 4/19/16, Christo Vorster <christo.vorster@...> wrote:

My first experience with computers was back in 1986. A friend of mine had
Apple with SoftVert as speech programme. I still am of the opinion that
SoftVert was way ahead of it’s time.

Then I moved into a new job at the Pioneer School for the Blind in
Worcester, South Africa.

Just for interest sake. I was appointed as Piano Tuning teacher. What I
remember for the rest of my life is that I got a desktop computer. A 186
(the rest of the letters and numbers I cannot remember), 20 MB hard drive
and something like 4 MB of RAM. I can’t even remember the version of DOS
used, probably something like 3.1, or something. At that time I thought
20 MB of hard drive space was so much that it would last me for the rest
my life. Those were the “good old days”. Now 2 TerraByte is pushing it

Yes! We must live with change. Fortunately one can change, but we my
remember the starting days.


From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@...]
Sent: Monday, 18 April 2016 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda]


I used the dec talk hard ware synthisizer in the 80s with an IBM
Wow, that really brings back memories. Take care.

From: Arianna Sepulveda <mailto:englishrider91@...>

Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 2:34 PM


Subject: Re: [nvda]

Thanks for those samples. I've never really been a fan of Decktalk, but I
have heard quite a bit of it over the years, and you are right. This
does sound quite different than what's shipped with Window Eyes.



People who are interested may want to hear a recording I made when I was
evaluating this version of Dectalk. it speaks differently enough and has
bit of a different inflection pattern as well and those interested should
hear the program when deciding. You may be able to use it as a demo but
this recording may allow you to decide what you think of this version.
original DECTalk couldn't be replicated, I think because the code was
at some time and this is a reconstruction. The person selling the
isn't responsible for this. She is making available what has been

The person selling this version is very friendly and it was a pleasure
corresponding with her.

The link to download the samples is

The sample consists of the reading of a small part of Genesis at two
different speeds. Trying the synthesizer as you would use it may be
preferable but this may give you a reasonable idea of whether you want to
pursue the matter.


From: Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@...>

Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 6:04 AM


Subject: Re: This is the moderator speaking: [nvda] Question Regarding
Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory

Well if people don't want the legal version of eloquence.
emailing enablerehab@... and asking for their dectalk synth may be
the better option.
They don't exactly sell it anymore because there is no interest however
they will sell it to you for basically what its worth.
Their licence with fonix means you need to pay but there is no fixed
price so pay what you want.
I put in 20 bucks for the thing but you could pay anything from 1-2
dollars up.
For those not liking eloquence this may be the better solution.
My only complaint is that some of the voices are a bit quiet volume
However for about a couple mb you get every dectalk voice and language,
sadly no singing but even so.

On 18/04/2016 10:33 p.m., Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi Chris,
1. CF version is legal.
2. Sometimes we do see illegal Eloquence pop up, and this version is the
one we don't allow (legal versions are allowed).
Hope this helps (and please have a long rest).

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher-Mark Gilland [mailto:clgilland07@...]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 3:25 AM
Subject: Re: This is the moderator speaking: [nvda] Question Regarding
Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory

This is the only Eloquence related post I'm going to send to this list,
but it has 100% everything to do with what Joseph has just said. I'm
neither promoting nor asking about how to get this working with
so know that up front.

So, my question is, first, Joseph, you say that Code Factory released an
addon. I guess my question is, is that addon considered to be illegal?
Second off, I'm a little bit confused. Are you saying that Eloquence is
allowed, or are you saying it isn't allowed at this time on list.
Further, if not allowed, please then be more specific. Are you saying
it's not allowed period, or are you saying it's allowed, but only if
talking about the CF version.

Sorry, your message was just a little bit vague. I've had an extremely
emotionally rough night, I won't go into it more than to say, I've been
crying my eyes out all night, so therefore as you can imagine, I'm
incredibly tired, so perhaps my mind is a bit oblivious right now to the
meaning of your message. If so, please forgive me.
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

Phone: (704) 256-8010.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: This is the moderator speaking: [nvda] Question Regarding
Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory

Ladies and gentlemen,

Until a few months ago, discussion of Eloquence wasn't allowed on this
This was relaxed last summer when Code Factory released Eloquence
Back then, Nimer and I (Nimer being the actual list owner) said
of illegal version isn't still permitted.
At this point, it would be advisable to suspend Eloquence discussions
a while. We cannot risk giving NVDA a slightly muddy reputation at this
important occasion: NVDA's tenth anniversary and NVDACon. Please don't
forget this: the reputation of a product, particularly a product that
of you depends on, depends on what users say about the product and the
discussions surrounding it.
For those new to this list: I'm known for being generous. However, I'm
also known for being a volcano, especially if the integrity of the list
the reputation of a product or a community is questioned. I'll not
activate moderation flag for anyone out of respect for everyone and for
newbies to get accustomed to this environment.
For our old friends: Yes, I am indeed serious, more serious now that
about to help NV Access celebrate NVDA's tenth birthday. Not only I'm
speaking on behalf of moderators, but as one of the planners of NVDACon
2016 (I am indeed the chair of the planning committee), I'd like to
request that we care about reputation of NVDA, NV Access and this
These days, what gives me more stress isn't the question of who will
succeed me or success of NVDACon, but the reputation and future of this
community for months and years to come. What gives me more joy is to see
you all become folks who can think about what's going on and make
decisions (yes, that's the reason why I've proposed certain proposals in
the past).
In conclusion, I do know I will not be able to sleep tonight, but
I need to say this: NVDA community, specifically this forum, is facing a
crisis: misinformation abounds and passion trumps reason at times. We're
suffering from a disease called "misinformation" - what is illegal being
seen as legal, people not being informed as to what's available to them
when they need it, name calling at times and so forth (as I mentioned in
my blog, I will not accept name calling). Being passionate about
is good, but it is better to think about what's going on before
one's arguments. In other words, contrary to what we've said about this
forum to the outside world, we're at times known for doing the opposite.
Lastly, in regards to free material: there is no such thing as free
I do need to say this in public: NVDA isn't technically free. For the
benefit of many, NVDA is made available as a free, open-source and
community-driven screen reader. But there are costs associated with this
project. Please stop now and imagine for a second: imagine a group of
developers who have decided to promote equal access to technology at no
additional costs, using their talents to give opportunities for someone
who lives in poverty somewhere.
NVDA is more than a screen reader now: it's a movement, and workers
deserve their wages - support, encouragement, opportunities and so on.
Thank you.

-----Original Message-----
From: Afrim [mailto:afrim.maja@...]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code

Why do people talk about it? They can, and I don't consider it against
rules of the list since the add-on, the alternative if you like to call
is available and accessible from within the add-on list of NVDA.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2016, at 9:33 PM, mk360 <mk.seventhson@...> wrote:


I can pay, but the first condition is that the paid versions works as
fine or better that the alternative, and as reviews as been said, that
is not the case.
However, I know that in the list we can't speak about that
alternative, so I don't understand why the people speak about it.


El 17-04-2016 a las 8:04, Greg Wocher escribió:
I want to give those of you who use the illegal eloquence add on some
food for thought. When you do it and proudly proclaim that you do,
you give NVDA and its users a bad reputation. I think I may purchase
the Code Factory add on later this afternoon from AT Guys and I will
let you all know if it gets rid of the choppiness.

Greg Wocher

On 4/17/2016 5:32 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
My sentiments exactly.

-----Original Message----- From: Afrim
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code

I have been using the old add-on of eloquonce someone made, and I am
not going to pay for a program that does essentially the same
thing. The add-on I am talking about works so fast and reliably.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2016, at 6:22 AM, Kelly Sapergia <ksapergia@...>


Recently, there was a discussion about alternative voices for NVDA,
such as Code Factory's add-on with Eloquence and Vocalizer. I
mentioned that when I tried this particular product, I noticed that
Eloquence sounded quite choppy compared to other screen readers and
other synths I have for NVDA on my machine running Windows 7.
I also never experienced this with Code Factory's SAPI 5
Anyway, I got thinking about it this evening, and decided to do
some searching to see if anyone else was experiencing similar
issues. I found a thread about the add-on in the old NVDA list's
archive, and saw a message stating that the choppiness would go
away once the product was paid for. I was just wondering if this is
indeed the case? If yes, it's not what I'd consider the best way to
limit a trial version, but I might buy it after all.


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